Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 7 Episode 5 - Selfless

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before Just be how never ended with those All you need is a door Searching for something to put a smile back on your face Just remembering unusual times I can come from one unusual place

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[SPEAKER_03]: I need a partner for a ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word and I'll be there Just ask

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's 20, 20 That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's 19, 19 Isn't needed pretending I got a hand I can land Who's when you really need a friend Just ask

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shit 90's Show's Dot Me Shit 90's Show's Dot Me was not filmed before live studio audience

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready to play another day?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So are we?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to shit 90 shows taught me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just darling here with my co-host, Sarah Humphrey Sarah, how are you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jazz, I'm so excited to talk about this episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we've been waiting for something like this for such a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have been gifted a gift from Dr. Hoffman himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have been, I feel like we've definitely been on the train of give us more for Onya, give us more than just the like, like when they were playing the wedding, like that felt like that was her entire character arc.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like now, I feel like we've really rounded things out with Onya, I loved getting to see flashbacks for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This episode was, and even some of the, we'll talk about it, but even some of the callbacks to stuff that happened so long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was to me, it was like a top 10 episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that it actually is like, I was like to write down my top 10, but I loved this episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like it really like tied together some not hanging threads, but like some things we've been needing to address in a very satisfying way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved getting to see flashbacks of on, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it felt very satisfying that this character got more to do,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very earned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what you mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're the end of the episode with Ania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, okay, I'm so happy we're here because we've been needing to address some of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I would say a top 10 of all time, but I did really enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that it was really satisfying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love a flashback episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It really reminds me of that one episode that we have a spike with him throughout the years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As William, the bloody or William

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea what episode that is, but I feel like that's a top 10 episode for me at least and it's the same vibes, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I love a flashback episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My favorite show Greek.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My favorite episode of my favorite show Greek is a flashback episode, but the funny thing is like it's like two years prior from freshman year But still, it was like so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, so long ago

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really remember it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, freshman days, and it's like D.A.Z.E.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and like basically you find out why Capy and uh, I've been hating each other and it's because like, of like, the blah, blah, blah stuff that we already knew, but it was fun to see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So um, honestly, if I could just like talk about Greek instead, I would do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that we're not here for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Baby, no, we're not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did like this all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's about the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a really good one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's, I'm trying to think, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanna get the spike stuff out of the way because there's very little of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a crumb in this episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're basically, he's still struggling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still hanging out in the basement of the school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we see him having this like imaginary conversation with Buffy where she is a Wobler through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's us, we'll get through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course,

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[SPEAKER_00]: course, she's not real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We see the real buffy come in and basically say like you need to like get out of the basement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not a good for you to be down here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, whatever, more spike with mumblees, you know, like that's what we're getting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're getting spike mumblees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're getting spike without gelatinous hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what apparently season seven is about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In his head, he is very coherent, I feel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like

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[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks that he's making a lot of sense and then we see the reality of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if he was like having a daydream and then like she just so happens to come at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or is it that he's having a conversation and he thinks that it's going one way, but in reality, it's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was the former.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was that he and it could also be that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the conversation was with the baddie that we, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw all the gods turning into different people and at the very end it turned into Buffy, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, something that's going on about the Hellmouth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, the Hellmouth is being all Hellmouthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's especially Hellmouthy in the basement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He meets the basement because he's driving him crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he feels stuck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the basement, I don't even know how he wound up in the basement and that's probably what's annoying me the most is that like I don't know last time we saw him he was in Africa in an unnamed country in Africa and he got his little back and now somehow somewhere he wound up in the basement and I'm just like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's because we know the like, it devours from beneath or whatever the hell that saying is yeah from beneath you devours devours we know that the hell mouth is beneath the school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would imagine that that has something to do with why he is down there, that like whatever this big bad thing is that's in his head, like possibly it's like keeping him there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think there's a reason or it could be because it's like a kind of, this is where it all started situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're circling back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's in one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I suppose he's vulnerable and this entity is probably taking advantage of him because he's vulnerable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just would like to have seen more of like the logistics of we might how he left

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I get that he's all torn up because he has a soul now and he is like realizing everything that he's done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just like don't got it, I don't got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is one of those situations where we're only five episodes in and things don't technically usually really kick off in Buffy until like at least halfway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to be in the know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like being in the know before our characters even.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to understand just like, I don't have to think you're confused.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like being confused.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's fair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so that's basically all that's going on with Spike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's really all we see of him this episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have a ton to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm going to briefly touch on Willow returning to college before we get into like her involvement with Donny's storyline is obviously that's the major part of this episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Willow's going back to college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of, um, of Donny's advice of like, just be like everyone else?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly think it's great advice like my whole play when I was in school was I really wanted to be unique and if I just was normal, normal, then I would have fit in better and then maybe I would have gone picked on less.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my advice is follow Don's advice and just be normal stop and don't be yourself, honestly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like to be a normie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like us finding out that she was like cheating towards the end of when she was turning into Dark Willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was really funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it did kind of bring me back to like the willow of a few seasons ago where she's looked like this nerdy kid who like remember like the first season they started college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like so excited about all her classes and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it felt like we were kind of going back to that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was really fun just to like kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: get to revisit that version of Willow before she gets involved in all the on-estuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like the two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the, I think it makes sense for her to go back to school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, especially people who are academically focused, um, their whole lives, but naturally want to close that chapter and finish school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think like she only has like a year and a year and a half left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like pretty lost in general.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think like it makes a lot sense for like what the very least, I could finish college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's something that even Buffy wants to do, but she got rejected, which is really sad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, not great, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we see her talk to this teacher and the teacher is like, I don't know why this teacher has the ability to let her back to school, but she does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm thinking, Willow has to like go to individual professors or something and be like, can I get back into your class?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think it's, I

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she was able to sign up to school no problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's more about getting back in the classes that she was out of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't, I am really to remember how much time has passed since like Willow was actually like Dark Willow and all that other stuff happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it sounds like she was kind of missing an action during midterms her second semester.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to assume like missing an action midterms was able to ace the finals because of the

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[SPEAKER_01]: probably was summer and maybe she's like trying to come back a couple weeks into the fall semester or some.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and let's face it, like this isn't like Yale, like this is like Sunnydale University, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're probably a little more lenient, especially with Willow, she had very good grades and stuff before everything happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, of course, I like the setting that we're back at Sunday Dilling University.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I personally really liked

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[SPEAKER_01]: that time season four season four was a good time and yeah it's also a plot device for her to run into Ania who's been hanging out at the local fraternity house just you know yellow shots in the morning take casual trench coat walking out with the water off your shame yeah as one does sometimes you are in the front house and you didn't change from the party the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, typically there's not the lead all over you, but it typically you don't have like 10 12 fret bros with their hearts ripped out around you, but yeah, we see that's how kind of we our introduced to on yet this episode is like her kind of sitting in the aftermath of everything and she does seem very shaken about the entire experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's trying to hide it from willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Willow obviously enters the house and sees meets up with like there's a younger college student who like is like in the closet crying about like taking it back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We see a giant spider that is seemingly responsible for ripping out all the frack eye hearts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we do get to see a little blip of dark willow because when she uses her magic to stop the spider, her pupils get all dark and crazy and she like she's a little bit mean to the girl and basically goes like get over it because she's dark willow for a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: whimpering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, I was trying to concentrate and this girl was just sniffling up a storm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a little bit of a shut the fuck up is what she needs, but Willow was not being a very nice girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, um, but she knows that it was on your based on the fact of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: She the girl says that she wished it to happen, and she obviously saw on you with the blood and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So going back to Onya, I want to kind of touch on the flashbacks because they were so fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Onya's first flashback of in Sweden.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 880 AD we find out she goes by odd like if she's not even on yet and we get to see this troll guy pre troll when his name is just Olaf yes was so fun Sarah that we get to see this guy who had the big hammer in that other episode that we watched was it season six that had happened or season five I don't remember it was one of the two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was so fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like Ania's origin story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is how she became a baddie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was season five because the came up again with glory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, good call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, what did you think of odd and a loft?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a really, I thought it was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a really weird, unique film style as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like old tiny, almost like CPA, but like not Percepia, how we pronounce it, not quite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I I liked it a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that the dynamic was interesting as well because like he wasn't I mean he was terrible because we find out later that she was right that he was cheating but at first glance it seems like she's kind of like the on the other than we know like on his kind of like

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[SPEAKER_01]: a domesticated at times, girly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she wants, what I mean by that is that she wants love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She wants to take care of the home and she like want, like she would have been really happy just taking care of Zander.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like Megan, dinner and doing the laundry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she never complained about that shit because like she was obsessed with Zander and she loved him so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she wanted to do those things for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and it seemed like that's kind of how she was with this Olaf guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also there's probably like dynamics of like that she had to do that at that time and maybe she was like kind of like falling back into that more like home maker type of role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know but it also didn't seem like she hated taking care of him or like being there for him but like you can kind of see the cracks as they talk because like

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[SPEAKER_01]: number one, she's like the village weirdo is what we learn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she like the honor that we know now, like she speaks her mind, she like is kind of blunt a little bit like black and white about some things and apparently like they don't really like her coming around to the local pub.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this was really interesting, gosh, I have so many thoughts on what you said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So number one, I do agree on like seeing similarities between her relationship with Olaf and her relationship with Zander.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think and we'll touch on it a lot later in the episode when she talks about losing herself in a role, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whether it be as a homemaker to Olaf as a vengeance steaming following

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[SPEAKER_00]: She likes to have a title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She likes to have a purpose, and she feels lost without it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so in this timeline, her purpose is like she's a homemaker, I do think there are aspects.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like because I agree with you, she doesn't always drive well with groups of people, because she says what she thinks, you know, she speaks her mind, and I think that can make people uncomfortable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also am a little skeptical of like, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: this being a self-fulfilling prophecy, part of me wonders if Olaf has said, this to her to purposely keep her out of the bar so that he can be with that other girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, she's always had it in her head that other people don't like her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a super pot, like possible, but also like is this guy like kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you think that he's manipulative like that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you think he's an manipulative enough to be like, oh, I don't want, she's too big for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like her hips are too wide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, okay, so the, the, the, the discussion was like, he went to the pub after his track and he's, he's not a true, oh, yeah, he was killing trolls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and she doesn't like, on your doesn't like, him going to the pub because there's like this like, hot girl,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like she's like probably curvy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She probably is like big boobs big ass like but she's like Like ball ticker something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like yeah, woman I don't know, but yeah, she doesn't like this and she thinks he's been cheating He denies it says like oh no you're the only woman for me like he like wants to have sex with her like she

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she is, again, she's home seemingly a lot because he's always off fighting trolls and the people and the public don't particularly like her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't feel like her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think like it makes sense because it's just like, well, Willow didn't like her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Willow's a fucking dork-ass bitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she like rejected onya because onya was too weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if the door

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think, yeah, I do think, uh, and we, we had always said some of onus, um, unique aspects could have been because she's been alive so long, right, that she isn't necessarily just heart most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, we, I think we're finding out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is just kind of who she is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, something is so, so different from this version of onya to,

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[SPEAKER_00]: present day on ya is number one she has a ton of rabbits and they keep breeding and this was a funny strike knowing that in the future she's going to be terrified of them um but she says like oh I'm going to give them a way to the townsfolk to help people like not expecting anything in return we would never ever see this especially um magic box owner on ya would never be like here's a free rabbit you know she'd be like here is my designer rabbit that i'm going to charge you 3000

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's hand over the deposit exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's interesting to see, like, this is pre-vengeance demon on, yeah, that like feels this way, sweeter, sweeter, more naive, like, well, exactly, she hasn't been wrong yet, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she hasn't been, you know, yeah, I loved the rabbit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Easter egg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My only complaint and I know that you have the same complaint is that I thought that we're going to get a little bit of an explanation about why she hates rabbits because like we see the rabbits Like the rabbits like we're gonna see like where like maybe the rabbits attack her maybe the rabbits are like we we follow troll now We love troll like you know, aren't you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We hate you only troll

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't see anything about the rabbits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wish that there was like a little bit of something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess like my only explanation now is that it's like it reminds her of like her first big heart and maybe sure is like this is triggering to me these rabbits because it reminds me of

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[SPEAKER_01]: of like when I got wrong and when we came in like Avengers D-Man and now I can't look at a rabbit ever the same, but that's really very different from like a scary rabbit, which is what she is now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah i agree um and i i think at this point like i feel like this was the place to do it so at this point i don't think we're going to get an explanation on it i think it's going to just be left unknown um and my head i was like are they just going to keep multiplying to the point where they're taking over the house and like that's what she gets scared of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fools troopers, dribbles, dribbles, dribbles but are you talking about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know all the truckies right now know exactly what I'm going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, struggles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have never struggled with the tea with the tea dribbles dribbles dribbles dribbles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically they're just like little like poofs of like an animal or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're little like, you know on my old keychain I had that was very ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, they're like a pet and basically they'd be like most apply And the kids of them and then they became like weird and evil.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I think okay

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, because that was my thought is like maybe they just keep breeding and it's like overwhelming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, so we flashback to the same time period later in the episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we see Olaf is a troll and like all the townsfolk are terrified of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Hoffman shows up and he's so impressed because on yet, basically did a spell on him to turn him into a troll because he was cheating on her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this has been to Hoffman reveals to her, like, oh, you don't know your true self yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your real name is like, on Yonka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, I want to basically make you a vengeance demon so that you can, you know, corrects the bad behavior of men and basically get vengeance for women who've been wronged by them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was such a fun origin stream.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Makes so much sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I like to too and I think that seeing her, she does a good job of it just reminds me of that one look that she gave at the end of the episode where she got left at the altar, where she should still know like her and angry and like the vengeance is seeping out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like reminded me of that a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was cool seeing like to hop for and show up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting knowing that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think we knew that she did spells at one point, but I'm not positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that we always assume, but it was nice seeing that, you know, any bed can be a wedge in this show, like, well, especially because it was like, he, like, Olaf is hunting trolls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not, you know, we're still in the world where like supernatural things are occurring, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: hired on the spot essentially, and she was like, oh, yeah, all men deserve it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was that was that and that was the rest of the 18.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What you were saying 1880.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we see her in the future and seem Peter'sburg, Russia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 1905.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this was, I guess, like, during, like, the M-Staysha times during the Russian Revolution.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like chillin' with Halpharic at, like, a dinner table.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wherever it was, like, dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically Halpharic is like, girl, look, what you started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you started this Russian Revolution.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how exciting is this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is a further proof of Ania, when Ania is focused on something, she puts everything into it, and so while before it was all off, now it is being a vengeance demon, she only cares about the work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not really into the celebratory nature that Halford has about all of it, and it was like, hey,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's an entire world out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we are infinite years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are able to travel and go places and wait a minute, hold up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One second, we said that this origin story took place in 1880.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was when that was for Olaf was 1880.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought that Ania was like thousands of years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she's over 1,000 years old, I guess not 1,000, but over 1,000, right, because if you add 1,000, it would be 1880, so she's like 1,110.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just love this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was 20.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, she's she they're like, you know, you can travel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can go anywhere that you want and she is like, no, like, I'm doing my job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all about work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also appreciated that we got a little bit of Ania's smarts here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked a lot about like, oh, she's so smarts about stocks and money and all this other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she does say like, oh, yeah, like communism was inevitable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was bound to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just kind of let the batch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think this is kind of where we're seeing the big difference between health and Ania because in the modern day,

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[SPEAKER_00]: when her and on your hanging out, how for just so excited about what on you just pulled off at the front house, she's like, the hovering's going to be so proud of you because previously on you was like, what do we call it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like getting a bad review.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like put on time out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was on the performance from its evaluation plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we said previously she was on that, so now it seems like well now she's been doing so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like great for her work, like 12 dudes dead, like excellent work, and Maria just like, it's not into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, onya.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What she had such an experience being human, that she's found that she can't just go back to being a vendingin, steaming and fuel fulfilled in that way, that she once did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that she also feels bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess, I guess, like the whole question of like this on, yeah, I have a soul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: come into this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have no freaking clue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can't keep track of all this soul stuff, but she does feel bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like she.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, is feeling like really affected by this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that she's trying to chase the high that she was probably feeling in 1905.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but she can't feel it now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this whole thing is that this, the girl in the closet at the front house, um, she gets like humiliated by my guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Onya, she says, she says, onya, like I wish that they could like feel what it feels like to get their hearts ripped out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Onya brings in a spider who does the ripping of a heart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now the spiders on the loose and it's killing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Onya technically did not kill 12 people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She summoned a spider who killed 12 people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Buffy when she finds out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like that the spider was summoned by Ania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, well, yeah, we have to kill the spider, but we also have to kill Ania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't think the, do the issue is that Ania said, hello, spider, I command you to kill 12 people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, yeah, I mean, it's very similar to the worm situation, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where she like summons, she turns this dude into a worm and he is like causing destruction and killing people and dogs and everything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, she isn't, she's not the one doing the killing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but she summoned a spider demon that's in that's purpose is to rip people's hearts out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just don't blame on you for this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that Ania was just like, hey spider, like you're here now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Sunnydale.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she summoned it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's billions of other scary monsters in Sunnydale who are summoned by so many people all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like for example, Zander summoned that singing demon did we kill Zander for summoning the singing demon?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, this is Zander's argument, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which we'll get into.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me let's talk about the willo thing first and then jump into like the Zander Buffy debate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like think that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because this is in this very scene that Willow confronts on you, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like basically what happens is Willow knows this is on you based on her conversation with the girl in the closet at the Frat House.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I'll show evidence of her leaving the Frat House of Blood on her trench coat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'd only tells Buffy and Zander about the spider.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't say that she knows that Ania is responsible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she confronts Ania, she tells Halford to get the heck out of there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, Willow wants to help Ania as what she says.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, let me help you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Onya is like, um, you literally ripped the skin off of a man, like, who are you to judge?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who are you to say?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, those guys got what they deserved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is my job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did my job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, leave me alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so she rejects willows help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's when Willow goes to Zander and Buffy, who have just killed the spider and admits, no, I know it was on, like I didn't want to say anything, Buffy, because I knew you would have to take action on this situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The way I look at this is this has been

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[SPEAKER_00]: coming to a head for a while because okay we've long said like well why don't they just go spike what don't they just go spike well the chip was a the plot device to where they didn't need to kill spike because spike can't really hurt humans because he has the chip right

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, on you becoming a vengeance demon, we were always going to end up where like buffet and on you are at odds because their their jobs are against each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they don't work together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can only bat but heads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're together before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a sense on you turned back to

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[SPEAKER_01]: like, God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She helped get the due to spell with Dark Willow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just because she's a vengeance, Steven doesn't mean that she can't do good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They really brought her in and we're like, hey, like we're working on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reasoning

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[SPEAKER_01]: excommunicated her after the break-up and didn't hang out with her anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, she was the ender in the break-up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so she's not helpful with the Scoobies or not in with the Scoobies because they rejected her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, I think I do think though like if

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anya be, they're not mutually exclusive, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anya could be a part of the Scoobies and also be a vengeance demon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is, when Buffy's job is to slay demons, and Anya's job is seemingly to summon demons, to wreak vengeance on people, which is what happens most of the time, with the worm, with the spider, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: those two things are going to but against each other and I'm a fully on board with you saying like yeah they chose the under in the breakup like they didn't loop on yet in on yet probably wouldn't have turned back to vengeance demoning if she felt at all supported after Xander left her at the altar but no you know she's like what's the name of this show?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy, the vampire slayer, not Buffy, the fucking demon slayer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mind your talking to the demon slayer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: my chair own like yeah really like you're not a demon slayer you're a vampire slayer just focus on the vampires yeah I just end it so annoyed at her for this we got to kill on you and know you don't let on you do her thing it's not her fault with the crazy spider dead yes so buffie's argument is oh well zander your feelings for onya or clouding your judgment because zander admit he still loves her uh

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, she's basically like, listen, I had to kill Angel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved him more than anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had to kill him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I have to kill Ania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Buffy loves loves to pull out this argument whenever it suits her, which is the argument of I'm the only slayer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, I am the law.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to do this on my own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am judge jury executioner like Sheila who's supposed to pull out that argument and throw it in people's faces.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's, Buffy can be so and sufferably annoying at times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I really do hate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're the slayer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only one, you have to save the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's your job, your chosen, blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know, she really does pick and choose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she really does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she really does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because sometimes she's like, oh, I'm all on my own, but she shuts people out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Xander says, like, she really does put this on herself a lot of the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Xander's argument is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Willow was dark Willow and we didn't kill her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We helped her when, and like, Buffy's argument I think is like not super great where she's like, well, Willow's human and Anna as a demon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, well, that feels a little,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's, you know, like human-est dating out, like once again, like you left, you left spike with your daughter with your sister, yeah, you claim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You literally like you had a you attended a wedding not all demons buffet exactly like you attended a wedding that 50% of them were demons And you didn't sit there killing all these people all these wedding guests like you know like I understand She's summoned the spider and the spider is killing people, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel as though it's kind of to me the same thing like

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[SPEAKER_01]: honest to you things too far with the vengeance killing like she is doing her job she the the girl in the closet said I wish he could or maybe they but like maybe we like maybe we needed to only have like a small spider who only wanted to take one heart not as crazy spider that did all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, it's the same thing as, um, uh, a Willow's magic, where, like, she got her magic when way too far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we can just, like, scale a back a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, did we try doing, and I guess Willow tried to do an intervention with her, but still, but still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like, I don't personally like how we jump straight to, we have to kill Ania, because Willow said, oh, will I try talking to her?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, Willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have all the people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You who constantly ostracize Ania, constantly tries to push her out of the group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and also, the hypocritical nature of you going to her and saying, let me help you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you are not the person who should be going to talk to her to try to help her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't think we can take your attempted intervention as like gospel here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're like, if we have all of the scoobies, even if I can jiles on a plane or on the phone to like have a conversation with Ania, I feel like he's always very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think there's more we could do, but we're jumping straight to murder, which doesn't make a ton of sense because to Zander's point, she was your friend, like she was a scooby and now you're like talking about killing her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's one of your best friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, since when, yeah, it's truly since when.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did think Sandra had solid points here, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I do think, yes, maybe his judgment is clouded slightly because he's in love with Ania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that doesn't mean that everything he's saying is incorrect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He brings up spike and the fact that like, Buffy is sleeping with him and Buffy has not dusted to say spike is harmless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This man attempts to rape you, like I don't understand how that is harmless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, he has a chip in his head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen him punch people still, like, it hurts him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he is still able to inflict harm on other people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and there's more to doing harm than just, like, physically attacking someone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, that argument didn't really fly with me either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we are way, way, way too quick to jump to murder when it comes to Ania, especially because she was a fucking scooby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, even if she's not you are quote unquote best friend, like, Sandra likes to imply here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is still a scooby and deserves for you to at least have a conversation with her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so fucked to me that they jump immediately to murder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like I said, but his bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just really gets out of her high horse sometimes and it's very annoying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, very much so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we do get like we brought up before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buffy brings up her having to kill Angel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this fucking lie from like, is a season two season three, like season three finally comes back where when Zander tells Buffy that Willow said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The lie finally gets brought up, uh, which, and it was like very much glossed over where Barbara was like, I don't say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, yeah, I, once again, I would have loved a little bit more drama in this moment, but I think it was just like a little nod because I'm sure everybody, we were rain for this for a really long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure everybody was to be like, I think it was season two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't write it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like season two because that I think that was the season where like buffening jewelry really gather and then she ends up having to kill him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that makes sense that it was season two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was season two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so I, I, I, I was really great that they, you know, it doesn't have to be like a full conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Blake said earlier like it's the last season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like let's like tie up some of these like loose strings type of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I like that, um, Willow was like, hey, like I didn't see that like because, and, but they didn't really like glob onto it because there's like so much other stuff going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's too much to get to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for them to really spend time on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we do have one more quick on you flashback before we get into like the fight and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, where we're flashing back to the musical episode from season six, where Xander is asleep and onya is basically singing a song about her and Xander's future and how she's going to be his misses and this is just, again, further reiterating that like onya really likes to have a role and if she doesn't have a role, she feels kind of lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I, I mean, it was like a fun little moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got a lot of different on your hair styles, this episode too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was fun kind of seeing all the, the history of on your hair styles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still think that she looks best with like dark hair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'm back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought her odd look her 18, your 80 was like the best, like the long dark curly hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought was so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really liked it too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh yeah this was interesting because it happened right after she got sorted in the chest and I was like I didn't really totally understand what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know if it was like a I'm going towards the light.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like some green sequins thing sequence or if it was another flashback

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it was a little confusing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was like a lot going on between the, um, the old tiny film style of the flash bath and like this song and everything else, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure a lot of people were really excited to get a little tidbit of once more with feeling again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize that we were going to get a new song, so that was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we see her in her wedding dress again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she wakes up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but also Zander wakes up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was because Zander was like a sleep on the chair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he got punched, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So basically when Zander shows up to try to talk to Onya first and about like, listen, I want to help you like you don't have to do this and she's like, listen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a job to do, so does Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna end up fighting, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we get like the huge Buffy verse on you fight in that fight on you punches Zander to get him out of the way, knocks him out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Onions of getting stabbed in the chest and then after the like musical number on you wakes up with the sword in her chest at the same time the Zander is like coming back to consciousness after being knocked out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just to make it like, I mean, I was just saying that I was like, it's like, I was like, a smidge on clear, like, I mean, yeah, I was like, is this like a zander dream and on your dream is it both, but yeah, she doesn't die and then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, basically because this is like a nice little follow up to we do see the Hoffman come to Willow and try to recruit her at one point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she knows how to get in touch with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so she basically wants a favor from him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He shows up during the fight and on you basically says, I want to undo the active vengeance and he says, well, there's like, well, 12 human lives here, like I'm going to have to take the life and soul of vengeance demon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in order to like, you know, everything has a payment, so that would have to be paying for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She agrees thinking he's going to kill her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, he's summoned to hell, Frick burns that bitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it says never go for the kill when you can go for the pain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, have I taught you anything?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those who are out of all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was pretty sick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was just like, why didn't she just kill me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're in the place of health mouth, like, you know, if you have hours, you'll get your own.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure because he turns her back to being human because she basically quits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is what it was because she was, he was like, I have, she was like, why would you do this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she was one of your girls and he's like, I've got plenty of girls and you're out, you know, you're not America's next top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then she has to spend no more good

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[SPEAKER_01]: He says you're out, which I assumed as well that she's human again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't positive, but I am making a assumption as well and he like pops off and basically is just like

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you're gonna get something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He threatens her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He bases like you're fucked anyway, because you're on the helm, Ralph, and something is coming that we all know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've all been feeling it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't have to kill you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could torture you right now by killing Halford, and then you're gonna die anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so she is like devastated, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because at this point, she has no job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She has like no purpose, no prospects.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No prospects, the magic box is totally gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Giles has left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not in a relationship with anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Zander goes to try to talk to her as she's leaving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she basically says like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is so relatable, especially I think when you're in your 20s, I feel like this is very, really double to people in their 20s of, I don't know what to do anymore, like who even am I, if I don't have my job as a vengeance steaming, if I'm not a girlfriend to Olaf, if I'm not a fiance to you, I don't own the magic box anymore, like I don't know who to be because she always identified

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[SPEAKER_00]: like she her identity was what she did or who she was attached to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is so relatable especially in your like early to mid 20s, even late 20s, trying to figure out who you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like a lot of times it feels like who you are is supposed to be your job, your career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was so emphasized to us, go to college, get a job, get a career, spend your life in that career, and that's who you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in my 20s, especially, I was so career oriented.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I, that was all I cared about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, that's not all, yeah, that's a chunk of who I am, but that's not entirely who I am.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like my job is not, how I define myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's really tougher on you who spent over a thousand years defining herself by a relationship or a job, and now that she has neither.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who is she?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think she's trying to figure that out now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really, really loved this scene and the overall message because it feels so, so true, especially to like people around the Scooby's age.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I think that she is, I mean, it's like so interesting, like what she's going to do next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is she going to listen to, you

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[SPEAKER_01]: how Frick and kind of explore the world now that she has, she's essentially free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she has no ties to anyone or anything at the moment, which is literally the first time in her existence that she's completely free, which when you have that much freedom, it is like pretty scary as well

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[SPEAKER_01]: but I'm interested in seeing what she goes what she does next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like a little curious like how much we're going to see of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fearful that we're not going to see her for

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[SPEAKER_01]: a couple of episodes or like a long time just because like I don't think we're going to go through the exercise of like seeing on a try on different jobs or different boyfriends or different whatever is like this was the on-yet episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was afraid that like I still am afraid that we're not going to see her for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think it's like the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think we're never gonna see her again, but I just don't see her being in the next couple of episodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of her finding herself stuff might be off-screen or in smaller snippets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zander does try to comfort her and he basically says, don't be a dope and she says, I'm a dope, well, that's a start and I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Said they're a feel like you could have said so much more than I don't be a dope, but you know, you know, I'm trying to hold him to a specific standard that he's just never going to need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, like it's so hard, like he admitted in this episode that he still loves her, but like he can't do anything to get her back, like it's done and cooked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does really sound like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, like, Honestly, like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably worse for her for her to really get back into this relationship or situation with him because then she'll never know who she is outside of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she needs to be single.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she should explore the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think that, I mean, it sounds like she explore the world more than that flashback from 1905.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she wound up in America.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like she went to Brazil recently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she's going places.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for work, it was never a pleasure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, yeah, a pleasure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's what she needs to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She needs to kind of explore and find herself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe she should like go on the Camino Trail people love the Camino Trail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hope I hope we get more from Ania, but either way I'm happy we got this episode to explore her backstory and kind of her purpose and where she goes from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything else on our Buffy episode before we get into some courties corner

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did like, um, get inspired to go back to the episode The Wish in season three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like, onus first appearance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, like, she was so great from the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, the one thing that I forgot about is that she had an amulet necklace, and that was the

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[SPEAKER_01]: that the wish was undone was this neckless of amulet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, her power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously she did not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's not when she became a vengeance demon again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She did not have to wear this like random neckless the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like an interesting thing to know of like, oh, I guess we are more evolved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we don't want this in our costume anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it sounds like if I was to Hoffman, I would be like, oh, it's it's kind of too easy for somebody to not become a demon anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I got to make it harder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to make it harder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think like she's into other episodes of season three because I was just trying to remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when she became our regular I guess like I guess in one of the episodes she asked Zander to go to the prom with her and he was like yeah I'm sure about it and obviously in three yeah because he's in four is the starter college so that's right and then she was like at the season finale of season three she was like or maybe the penultimate episode she was just like literally there's going to be like a very large snake that's going to kill you like you

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[SPEAKER_01]: and she was like, I'm out of here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to stay for this bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I just like don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when she came back and season four or like, or any, but I like, I just think that was she came back and season four just to have sex with Zander.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she was like, hey, we should have sex.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, I thought our um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, but I just like kind of wanted to take like a walk down memory lane a little bit with on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was fun to see it was fun to see it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's get into Courtney's corner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched Angel called Super Cemetery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a very Fred heavy episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, basically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, Fred and Gun are doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Fred is getting back into the sciences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's going back to her roots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and she publishes this like science thing on like truly, I don't know physics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't fucking know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like in a mega scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she writes like a scientific article like a theory or something in a scientific magazine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She gets a lot of notoriety from it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She has to do a speech at her alma mater or something and keeping in mind that she ended up in that Palaya, Palaya world, like while she was still in college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like remember when she remember when queen finds her so so she's going back to their she's like meeting up with an old professor she's like so so excited she is on stage giving her speech When this like giant ass monster comes out of a portal and like tries to take her and she's getting major PTSD because like

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[SPEAKER_00]: her time really like her five years that she spent in this other world really like fucked with her head and now it's all kind of coming back to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a whole question of like who's doing it because we see a lady from Wolf and the Heart not Lydia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't fucking know her name who cares?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lydia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just got a Lydia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: um she is like also at the speech but it turns out like it's not it's not her she's just like because she her and Wesley are still fucking she it's like a whole thing whatever whatever Wesley goes and he watches the speech because he's like so proud of her and it turns out we find out Fred's professor

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[SPEAKER_00]: is the one who sent her to the other world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's done this to more than just her by multiple people petition for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, because he's threatened by them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he has been like sending people, anyone that like threatens his job or notoriety or whatever, he sends them away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Immediately Fred is like, I'm a kill this bitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I want to kill this bitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gone is like, no, no, no, it'll change you forever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's multiple guns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gun shows up, and he's like, no, no, you can't do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do this, you'll never forgive yourself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He walks over, gun walks over, snaps the professor's neck and throws him into his own portal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they lied to Angel, and her basically, like, yeah, he fell in his own portal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that all that craziness happens.

56:49.089 --> 56:52.131
[SPEAKER_00]: And then side story line, cordi is still

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[SPEAKER_00]: Memories trying to figure shit out.

56:55.834 --> 56:59.197
[SPEAKER_00]: She has almost like a murder board up or she has like, this is mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wesley, this is me and gun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, me the whole explanation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Connor goes over to the hotel to like get more of her stuff to bring it back so that like she can feel more at home in his place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He makes mention of like, oh, yeah, I know she gets cold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She steals the covers all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, are they sleeping in the same bed?

57:20.293 --> 57:21.054
[SPEAKER_00]: What is happening?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh, we'll you'll feel more like yourself if we do some like training because you used to do this, like used to fight demons, they're like fighting and then they kiss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is Connor 16 years old?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's even say he's 18, so it's not Azikki.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's basically like his third get mom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she held him when he was a baby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just gross.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hold up, hold up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is definitely closer and aged to Connor than she is to angel.

58:08.310 --> 58:08.850
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying a like I would rather her be with angel than Connor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think both are kind of gross, but I do think her kissing Connor when she literally held him as a baby is disturbing.

58:23.557 --> 58:26.398
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to think that like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, hold up, this is very like back to the future, right?

58:31.594 --> 58:51.628
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you went back in time and like was hanging out in Long Island and you just so happened to meet your mother-in-law and she's holding a baby will and you're like, you recognize her and you're like, hey,

58:52.842 --> 58:57.384
[SPEAKER_00]: like that's a cute baby like can I hold that baby.

58:57.404 --> 59:02.186
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're having the sequence of events in the opposite direction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm already married to Will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going back in time and meeting him as a baby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this situation she met Connor as a baby was in love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does it remember that because

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he, again, he looks like he's 16.

59:19.475 --> 59:24.339
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yes, I don't know how old he actually is supposed to be, but he looks like a tiny baby child.

59:24.820 --> 59:26.721
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so weird.

59:27.102 --> 59:28.183
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so weird.

59:28.503 --> 59:30.245
[SPEAKER_00]: And she kisses him by the way.

59:30.385 --> 59:31.666
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want all if I mention this part.

59:31.886 --> 59:33.468
[SPEAKER_00]: Because basically it happens is they're fighting, they're fighting.

59:33.708 --> 59:35.129
[SPEAKER_00]: She's all excited, they hug.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She kisses him, pulls back.

59:37.611 --> 59:39.894
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he really goes in for the kiss.

59:39.994 --> 59:40.774
[SPEAKER_00]: And she just like,

59:41.555 --> 59:47.262
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, and then she tries, she's like basically later, she's like, listen, we can't, she can't be doing this.

59:47.342 --> 59:48.844
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's be involved with Angel.

59:49.245 --> 59:50.506
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's where we get that.

59:50.607 --> 59:54.912
[SPEAKER_00]: So she, right, she tells Connor, listen, I held you as a baby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I probably shouldn't have kissed you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't remember, does she?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She has photos, though.

01:00:00.362 --> 01:00:19.193
[SPEAKER_01]: okay what okay if you saw photo of you holding will at the baby i honestly my own husband i probably could have been holding my husband yeah i mean if i was eight years old i would been holding him as a baby yeah we're gonna adult at least but anyway

01:00:20.447 --> 01:00:32.019
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is, it's like, again, you're taking the, you're saying like I'm already married to him and then I'm going back in time and holding him as a baby like in this case she helped Connor as a baby first.

01:00:33.210 --> 01:00:33.571
[SPEAKER_00]: Either way.

01:00:33.751 --> 01:00:41.579
[SPEAKER_01]: So she opens a view where baby and then you went to Disney World and he just so happened to also be in Disney World.

01:00:41.940 --> 01:00:49.508
[SPEAKER_01]: That looks that you're doing right now is the face that Adam does to me every single day when I do this.

01:00:49.568 --> 01:00:50.249
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this.

01:00:50.629 --> 01:00:54.033
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand what do you mean if I'm a baby, but he's also a baby.

01:00:55.013 --> 01:01:01.517
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're also, he's also a baby because we're around the same age as the world.

01:01:02.037 --> 01:01:06.839
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're also like a year older than him and you're holding him as a baby.

01:01:06.859 --> 01:01:12.482
[SPEAKER_00]: I, and I won your world's self is holding a newborn version of my husband.

01:01:13.562 --> 01:01:16.104
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, person, let's a one year old, hold a baby.

01:01:17.072 --> 01:01:17.533
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:01:18.213 --> 01:01:19.235
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that creepy?

01:01:19.395 --> 01:01:19.995
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that creepy?

01:01:20.096 --> 01:01:21.838
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that creepy?

01:01:21.858 --> 01:01:21.918
[SPEAKER_00]: No!

01:01:22.278 --> 01:01:27.804
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that would be like, oh, you childhood friends met and fell in love, essentially.

01:01:27.824 --> 01:01:32.309
[SPEAKER_00]: If I was a worm, would you so love me?

01:01:35.063 --> 01:01:42.285
[SPEAKER_01]: on your ask that someone asks that that's a TikTok trend but this is the type of things that like I talked to.

01:01:42.405 --> 01:01:44.806
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe I've talked about this on the podcast.

01:01:44.826 --> 01:01:46.906
[SPEAKER_01]: I love to troll him all the time.

01:01:47.406 --> 01:01:50.487
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying it's so different when I'm already married.

01:01:51.007 --> 01:01:54.108
[SPEAKER_00]: If then I go back in time and he's a baby.

01:01:54.128 --> 01:02:00.250
[SPEAKER_00]: But what happens if you don't remember that you but you only saw a picture of him.

01:02:01.270 --> 01:02:05.914
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can love with his father because that that is also what's happening on this show.

01:02:07.255 --> 01:02:09.617
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes your friends have hot dads.

01:02:11.899 --> 01:02:18.426
[SPEAKER_01]: which is different than sometimes if the person that you hook up with while you're play fighting has hot dogs.

01:02:18.686 --> 01:02:19.908
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes that happens.

01:02:20.368 --> 01:02:21.089
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

01:02:21.810 --> 01:02:25.414
[SPEAKER_00]: The point being that Courtney eventually goes back to the hotel.

01:02:26.615 --> 01:02:29.178
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like getting vibes, right?

01:02:29.198 --> 01:02:31.701
[SPEAKER_00]: Because like when Connor went to go get

01:02:33.422 --> 01:02:38.864
[SPEAKER_00]: She said, or he, Connor and Angel, Angel is like, oh, make sure you take her slippers or feet get cold.

01:02:39.424 --> 01:02:44.106
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, Courtney comments on the fact that she has her slippers and she's like so happy about it, like, to Connor.

01:02:44.566 --> 01:02:47.047
[SPEAKER_00]: So she ends up going back to the hotel and says to Angel, like,

01:02:47.901 --> 01:02:53.966
[SPEAKER_00]: where we like in love, like she does ask that and that's where the episode ends.

01:02:54.386 --> 01:02:54.506
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:02:55.707 --> 01:03:00.531
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think she's starting to get at least the vibe that like they loved each other.

01:03:00.651 --> 01:03:02.853
[SPEAKER_00]: And why did she lose her memory?

01:03:02.873 --> 01:03:04.875
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't fucking know.

01:03:05.115 --> 01:03:11.180
[SPEAKER_00]: She was, she was an angel person, like in all powerful, she inspired from that job.

01:03:11.500 --> 01:03:12.361
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she quit.

01:03:15.228 --> 01:03:15.649
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:03:15.689 --> 01:03:18.113
[SPEAKER_00]: We still don't know the answers to these questions.

01:03:18.714 --> 01:03:20.677
[SPEAKER_00]: This was another pretty stupid episode.

01:03:20.737 --> 01:03:25.084
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say at least we got Fred and Gun do in it.

01:03:27.530 --> 01:03:31.093
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, yeah, but that was Courtney's corner.

01:03:31.113 --> 01:03:40.082
[SPEAKER_00]: That was Angel again pretty useless episode and I never ever ever ever Need to see Courtney and Connor kissed ever again, but will they are they the new shit?

01:03:40.122 --> 01:03:47.689
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no because she immediately was like I can't know We shouldn't have done that that was bad She there is her and Angel are gonna start making out soon.

01:03:47.709 --> 01:03:48.750
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure mm-hmm

01:03:49.557 --> 01:03:55.863
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but anyway, next time on Buffy, we have season seven episode six him, him.

01:03:56.343 --> 01:03:57.685
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like this is spike.

01:03:58.385 --> 01:04:02.349
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he, uh, each I am or H, uh, H, uh, H, why I am.

01:04:02.669 --> 01:04:03.790
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like him, he.

01:04:03.810 --> 01:04:03.910
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:04:05.071 --> 01:04:08.294
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, oh, Angel finally has an exciting title.

01:04:08.314 --> 01:04:09.656
[SPEAKER_00]: Season four episode six.

01:04:10.703 --> 01:04:11.524
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been the bottle.

01:04:12.645 --> 01:04:13.165
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh!

01:04:13.246 --> 01:04:14.947
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the, you don't place been the bottle in this episode.

01:04:15.027 --> 01:04:15.908
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna throw things.

01:04:16.209 --> 01:04:18.751
[SPEAKER_01]: It would not be surprised that it won't happen.

01:04:19.332 --> 01:04:19.972
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be so mad.

01:04:20.032 --> 01:04:21.274
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be so mad.

01:04:21.314 --> 01:04:25.238
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what's happening next week on the podcast.

01:04:26.727 --> 01:04:28.228
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool, that's cool, I'll be there.

01:04:29.109 --> 01:04:29.609
[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.

01:04:30.390 --> 01:04:30.870
[SPEAKER_00]: Who?

01:04:32.071 --> 01:04:33.092
[SPEAKER_00]: Mars v.p.ing.

01:04:33.492 --> 01:04:33.853
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:04:35.814 --> 01:04:37.616
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, well, that's, and that's everything.

01:04:37.716 --> 01:04:38.837
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the whole thing.

01:04:38.937 --> 01:04:40.138
[SPEAKER_00]: You're still watching Dexter.

01:04:41.198 --> 01:04:44.861
[SPEAKER_00]: We finish this in five, six.

01:04:45.842 --> 01:04:47.203
[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting done so soon.

01:04:47.243 --> 01:04:50.524
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to jump into like the what are they called?

01:04:50.544 --> 01:04:51.845
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been awesome stuff.

01:04:53.005 --> 01:04:53.605
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I don't know.

01:04:53.725 --> 01:04:54.326
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:04:54.346 --> 01:04:55.266
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:04:55.286 --> 01:04:56.967
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I recommend in certain ones I wouldn't.

01:04:57.247 --> 01:04:58.828
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't even know.

01:04:58.848 --> 01:05:04.370
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how are you even supposed to know if you're not supposed to be spoiled?

01:05:04.910 --> 01:05:08.912
[SPEAKER_01]: Then how are you supposed to know which spin-off is the next spin-off?

01:05:10.225 --> 01:05:15.248
[SPEAKER_01]: But chronologically, I don't know, like, you were talking about, like, release date.

01:05:15.808 --> 01:05:16.108
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:05:16.889 --> 01:05:18.150
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I could tell you that.

01:05:18.530 --> 01:05:18.810
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:05:18.850 --> 01:05:21.091
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, I mean, I'm interested.

01:05:21.331 --> 01:05:23.833
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Adam is, but I'm interested.

01:05:24.153 --> 01:05:25.534
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think this show a lot.

01:05:25.934 --> 01:05:26.294
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would

01:05:32.381 --> 01:05:34.542
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think there's four four spin-offs.

01:05:34.823 --> 01:05:37.384
[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I'd have to think not all of them are worth watching.

01:05:37.424 --> 01:05:38.364
[SPEAKER_01]: We're happy for them.

01:05:38.645 --> 01:05:39.265
[SPEAKER_01]: I would watch.

01:05:40.105 --> 01:05:41.886
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll look it up.

01:05:41.946 --> 01:05:42.467
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.

01:05:42.747 --> 01:05:45.148
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, um, okay.

01:05:45.288 --> 01:05:48.370
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll leave it at that for this podcast.

01:05:48.390 --> 01:05:53.173
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back next week with some more buffy until then everyone here.

01:05:53.373 --> 01:05:54.553
[SPEAKER_00]: End if the lesson.