Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 6 Episode 22 - Grave

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before Just be how never ended with those All you need is a door Searching for something to put a smile back on your face Just remembering unusual times I can come from one unusual place

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need a partner for a ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a worries to the side Just ask See the word and I'll be there Just ask

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's 20, 20 That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's 19, 19 Isn't needed pretending I got a hand I can land Who's when you really need a friend Just ask

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[SPEAKER_03]: Shit 90's shows taught me was not filmed before live studio audience are you ready to slay another day so are we welcome back to shit 90's shows taught me I'm just sterling here with my co-hosts I'm free Sarah how were you just I am ready to talk about the finale of a buffy the vampire slayer season six we are

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[SPEAKER_02]: He made it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We said that we summed out it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some doubted we would even make it here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we could have stepped away, but we are, we are loyal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Me would stand at the end of the earth with you people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Listen, if we can make it for season four, Felicity, we can make it through anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the way I look at it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if the end of the earth is happening,

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[SPEAKER_03]: but not it, just like, yeah, I didn't like the freezing of that, like kind of at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's not the way that you sicko your sicko.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But on the bright side, in this finale, season six episode 22, grave, daddy jiles returned.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And first what second I thought they were going to kill him and I was going to I was going to burn this podcast to the ground like if people had the audacity to be like we love season six like baby and jiles died yeah we would have words I got I too thought that jiles was going to die this episode because it just felt like that that's where there was had they were heading honestly it made a lot of sense if

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would solve the issue that we had with Jiles me like, oh, I have to go off and to eat with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he had like the make-up thing with Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he kind of had dotted his eyes and crossed his teeth.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we only have one more season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So like, like, he'll tear us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So why wouldn't they kill Jiles?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I was totally,

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[SPEAKER_03]: like expecting him to die at a certain point, thankfully he didn't, but we're getting ahead of ourselves.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just very happy when Willis says the line daddy's home, because that's exactly how I felt when I saw him last episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, sign it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, is it ahead of ourselves?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we could go wherever we want.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have to do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Go into con fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless we are going into conological order, which is not true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, we're not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do want to, yeah, let me see.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do think we should start a child's actually because like he really is like the start of the episode anyway, like his return is kind of what it brings upon the death, the destruction of Dark Willow, the reversion back to, you know,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, this was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about this last episode, who told Giles, who made the phone call?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Of Willow has broken bad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We need your help.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like, turns out literally no one decided to pick up a fucking phone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I understand like long distance is expensive, but like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: What are we doing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he had to hear it from a coven?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's insulting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever tried to dial out to englander or another country?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it is a little big confusing and expensive.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, I know Buffy's poor, but like, onya has all these stocks and bonds, like she probably could afford it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Someone could have found a way carrier pigeon, email, like literally any way to reach out to Giles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, he had to hear it from a local coven that's like, there's dark magic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know he didn't know he's used so much and it's so funny to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so annoying because he did it again this episode and every every time it happened I laugh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just made space for him who's in cry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so jiles was hanging out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was hanging out on his local coffee shop looking for

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[SPEAKER_02]: for some girls maybe and he hears women whispers from a bunch of witches and they're like oh my gosh did you hear that there is some dark magic going on in that sunny day of California it's always spot there and then child's is like oh wait a minute

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's only one wit and they're like oh, like there's like this big bad witch over there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The dark force fueled by grief and he's like, I'm fucking new it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I clocked it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then he goes to them and goes, hey, I'm actually like friends with them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me borrow some of your magics.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In my former life, I was a ripper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So so that's my qualifications.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me borrow some of your projects.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I will go over and stop the situation because I know of course because I already yelled at her about this and told her that she was going to be grounded if she keeps doing what she's doing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I told her no magic for six months and she obviously disobeyed me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so she has to be stopped and I, the river, and then the only one to do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this comment said, yes, we will lend you our magic, which is, you'll by love and uh, fueled by love, not by hate and grief, and this will solve the issue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually hated because I hated all this, but again, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, and he's in they said yes, we will lend you our magic and you can go across the world and save us all from The world destruction and then on the plane jiles actually he said that I think that you might have teleported But on the teleportation train

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, I'm going to cork this plan because I know this bitch is going to steal all my magics and then it's going to get imbued into her that this is fueled by love and not grief and then when she tries to get talked out of this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like he then the magic of love is going to come through and then she's going to feel stuff and then it's going to be stopped and so he figured this all out he was like this is what made me really annoyed was that was it like the juxtaposition explaining like oh exposition

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna end the jiles at the end, where she's like, do you know what this was going to happen all the long?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was very Wizard of Oz, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do, I do understand what you mean.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, he like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: He kind of, he does say to Onyeth the end, like the magic she took for me, did what I hoped it would do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you knew she, and Onyeth's like, oh, you knew she'd take your powers and he said, yeah, like the gift I was given was the true essence of magic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Willow's came from rage, grief, vengeance, mine was humanity, like it was, it was pure humanity, pure love.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So when she absorbed it, Zander was able to reach

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[SPEAKER_03]: the regular willow, kind of get past the dark willow and tap into regular willow and bring her kind of back from the brink.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, did this work for you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Giles returning very much worked for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The explanation of all of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a little much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I, uh,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we could have gotten here with probably just the zander speech.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that we needed the like Willow gets extra powers that make her empathetic, you know, like I kind of like, and this is like tells old time, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because happens in like so many magic and viewed worlds where it's like the power of love, the power of friendship, like

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I would have been totally fine if Sanders speech was enough to bring her back, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I didn't necessarily need her to take Giles' powers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It isn't all zanders doing that like Giles plays a role and bringing Willow back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I almost wish the role he played though was again one more of this is in what I taught you like this isn't who you are versus the magic, he took was, the magic she took from him was Dost.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it takes away from the relationship just a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but was it all worth it for Willow to say I'm so juiced?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it hasn't been since season one, we're objecting like I'm so juiced is the I'm jacked in from, you know, I have of season six.

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[SPEAKER_02]: was so steep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so juiced.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the best part was you put this in our little group chat, like I hadn't watched the episode yet and you just wrote, I'm so juiced.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, I cannot wait to see what the hell this is around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like it was so corny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's some, so many parts of this episode that were just like so corny that like went past the point of like

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sweet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're like this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like that was it, but I kind of like take cause it was so stupid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I felt like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a coffields acting in when she was like trying to understand what Giles did and that one scene where he was explaining it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Kate on way because it's exposition because it's like, well, we need him to explain what happened.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So she has to act like an idiot and like it was, you know, irritating to me, that scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because she yeah, she's the way that she delivered the wine like I said it was very bizarre about she was like Do you mean to say that this is what happened?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was your idea all along It was like well the fuck is happening why is she talking?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, then I don't know part of me also feels like

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[SPEAKER_03]: Onya has now once again been relegated to like has to take the back seat and is like only there to like make silly little quips or like make us laugh and like a rough moment like

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't she didn't have a ton to do this episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like she's helping jiles a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's like teleporting to tell Buffy this information before going back to jiles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like she's not doing a ton and that kind of stinks because I feel like

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[SPEAKER_03]: The times that she's had major plot lines is always wrapped up in zander.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so like I almost wish like I just want for her in season seven to have a full blown story line for herself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a fear that it is going to be back to the zander train.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get into all of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But like, I don't know, I did appreciate the moments of levity she brings right when Giles comes in and he says to Buffy, oh, you cut your hair.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And on you goes, I'm blonde.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like this, you look like that was my favorite

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[SPEAKER_02]: Onya, excuse me, Buffy and Giles are having this very father-daughter moment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really sweet and then you can see like onya be like, oh, but like I want that to like it's been a long since like I got treated like a daughter or like I got treated like a partner is like they're close business partners, but also like maybe she

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[SPEAKER_02]: would love to have a daddy, a dad as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I did like that part with Ania.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought those like really speed and that he got to like hug both of them and I thought that did work for me and I did like how she was like wait, like me too, like I changed to I have blonde hair also.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was cute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did like that part, but yeah, I think that the, I just like don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that when you have a cast so big, maybe the writers just don't know what to do with some of their characters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It the animals to larger something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's why I killed off Tara because it's like, well, one less person, we have to like worry about writing things for that and one less person on payroll.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But no, I think it's really that like we needed stakes in this season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't actually have an issue that Tara died because like finally we have stakes on this show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So have these stakes in season one, Sarah, they use them to kill the time now, so on and on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that wasn't necessary, Jeff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that was, yeah, that was totally necessary to push Buffy forward, but I did really appreciate that we get this little conversation between Buffy and Giles about him leaving, about saying like, I should never have left you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that was the wrong decision on my part.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you weren't ready, and she tries to argue like, no, I needed it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think my favorite part of the Buffy Giles catch up was when she goes into, she just runs down the list of all these terrible things that have happened.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And her left on, yeah, Dawn's a klepto, money's so tight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm working at W.E.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Palace and I've been sleeping with Spike and Shiles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: giggles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, her is like a wrong swamson giggle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is like the funniest watching him break down in a f-lapfer was like my favorite thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's almost like you're such a fucking mess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I cannot believe you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you could not hold this together for five fucking seconds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Please for goodness sake.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just so utterly ridiculous that like what else is there to do but laugh, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean there is and like when it's like disaster after disaster sometimes you do have to just laugh at the absurdity of like how in the world did we get here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'd left you and everything was like it wasn't great but it wasn't like this and I'm gone for

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[SPEAKER_02]: six months to a year and you're having sex with like a dead body and Don is out to lunch and you have to work at a fast food restaurant like why couldn't you just hold this together for four seconds without me?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It also is just like you can laugh at like the absurdity of

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[SPEAKER_03]: When everything, she tells them about the like insane asylum and everything to like, yeah, it was just a, it was very funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I do also appreciate buffy kind of, you know, we saw her have a very hard time talking to her friends and she kind of confided in spike about being back and coming back from the grave and like not really knowing why she's here, what she's doing, like kind of having this like depression about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I really like that she right away is just like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I'm back, Giles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what am I doing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, part of me was left behind in that grave.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like, I don't know what to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Someone would have taken my place.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I really loved her getting to say that to him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It feels long overdue.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, it was a little rush, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there wasn't a ton of time to like digest it or like have a conversation about it because literally that's when,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Willow manipulates on you until like freeing her, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was happy to have Giles back, especially because it makes sense that, like, you know, he feels responsible and also anyone else will probably just kill Willow, but he's going to attempt to like, it's, you know, extract her powers without killing her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So overall, I would say like Giles returning, even though it leads to some exposition and some like other silly bananas stuff overall I'm like thumbs up for like the emotional weight and just the pure sex appeal, you know, all of these things very happy to have him back in the finale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we said, we throughout the season, his absence was really, really felt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So for him to come back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that the way that he came back was really cool to at the Pelletsman episode of being like, I have somebody to say about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was very badass.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I also am happy that

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[SPEAKER_02]: he wasn't the one that I like that Zander was the one that kind of saved the day, namely because I guessed it, but also because it was just good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I did like also another thing that I kind of like I like that's Giles tried.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like the thing that he did say like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: like what you're doing, approve what you're doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And once again, not to shoot my own horn too much, but I remember last week, I said, I think that that's just going to piss her off more if somebody brought it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was correct about that, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, indeed, piss her off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think she had, she had not yet absorbed his powers, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: When he said that,

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[SPEAKER_03]: So like, oh, not yet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's possible that may work better after, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, if Zander had said something like that, maybe it work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that that's just like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: like you don't fucking know what Tara will actually know he knows yeah he knows we do know but yeah nonetheless nonetheless yeah um but either way so that's kind of the the jials um storyline um let's do like a quick hit of of spike I think um because there's like not a ton going on with him it's just like they they end the episode

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[SPEAKER_03]: like with his stuff and basically credit to you, Sarah, he wasn't looking to get his chipper moved.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The dialogue was intended to be like making you think that in actuality, he wants to get his humanity back and he succeeds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He fights bugs and all his other brand him shit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know, Sarah, did this work for you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: As a season 6 storyline, where we end

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[SPEAKER_03]: does him wanting to get his humanity back and, you know, successfully getting his soul back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Does it, does it work as a storyline?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious about what is to come.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that how we got here once again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, of course, it doesn't work from me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like he, it's, it's interesting because it's like I am going to change myself for a girl, not because I genuinely want to be better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love my favorite part of like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: spikes for Demtion storyline in general of like going from like an asshole to a potentially good person was when he dick a his chip and he realized that like he can fight but demons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then he like back

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[SPEAKER_02]: like accidentally backed into becoming a good guy by fighting evil because he just wants to fight and the only people that he can fight are bad guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that, I thought was really fun because then he's like, oh

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be a good guy but like I'm forced to be a good guy and team up with the scoobies and then I would have loved for him to like actually want to be a good guy at the end but I guess it's impossible because he doesn't have a soul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think like what doesn't work for me is like the home mechanics of like being a soulless vampire in general because

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[SPEAKER_02]: because there's times where he makes this feel empathetic towards him, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he

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[SPEAKER_02]: Angels must be a one of one spike is something different that he has emotions like when you know I'm saying like if he was really Yeah, that he's not a robot like yeah, but like he's not purely evil and he wasn't he like made us feel empathetic towards him because he had like feelings and emotions and he got inside and like whatever

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but then, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think what I like we've been saying, I think it's just an issue of he's so the actor so charismatic that we just happen to, of course, pre

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[SPEAKER_02]: rape.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We happened to like really fall in love with the character and I think like most people did because he still cares medic but we weren't supposed to because he's supposed to be an evil vampire and they're all supposed to be really awful and terrible except for Angel because he has those soul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think like that is this is this is the disconnect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am interested at a

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[SPEAKER_02]: What comes of him?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, I think that I said, and crush me from wrong, I think that I said that he was going to become a human again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like playing his soul back, but he's angel, deal of vampires, so he's angel with a chip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But not I think like the chip is like doesn't even matter now because he's just going to be won't want to hurt a vampire with a soul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now this one of one vampire is now like two of two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So neither of them are that special.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: no, they're not that special anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I, I hate this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we hate it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If they wanted, here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hate it for the reason of we didn't need to have spike attempt to rape Buffy to get here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I also hate it because I think it is like we've been here before like we angel this is literally angel like why are we making spike angel angel fucking is boring like I don't want that I don't think that's fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The difference is is that spike is not boring spike is interesting and we know spike without a soul is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll have to see about spike with a soul if he's interesting because like I just think.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like if we wanted spike to want his soul back, to be with Buffy, to prove that he is a better person, we could have done that without the rape.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like we could have done that when she said, I don't love you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll never love you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: like I want to break up with you or I don't want to have sex with you anymore, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he could have had this realization and gone off and done this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't need it to go to the point that it did because for me, personally, you know, what anybody else thinks is their own opinion, whatever the fandom thinks about spike about spuffy about all that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: For me, you cannot redeem a character that does this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you just can't like there's no going back from attempting to rape.

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[SPEAKER_03]: from attempting to rape a character.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You just can't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't care that he didn't have a soul when he did it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, he said he loved her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that is not an act of love.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you don't do that to a person that you love or even care about or anyone for that matter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: there's just no coming back from it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So like for me, I wrote off the character, the moment that scene happened and I stopped caring what they were going to do with him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now it feels like they're trying to like weasel their way around what they chose to do with the character.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, well, he didn't have a soul when he did it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So actually, it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, no, actually, it's still not fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't like him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want to watch him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you know, they love Spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They love the actor.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They want to redeem him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They want to redeem him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what we're going to spend in season seven doing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's upsetting because it's like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: don't try to, don't even attempt like you're not going to be able to do it for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So my issue is that I have zero doubts in my head that spike and in jealous have done this and worse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They are literally murderers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And because it's off screen, we previously

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[SPEAKER_02]: we didn't see it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that he has done heinous things to women.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably the most of times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We already saw that he's essentially an abuser in terms of relationships, but it was off screen or what we had seen was, oh, silly Drulu, like he's treating her badly because she's like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: like crazy or the people they murder are people we don't know like you know Angelus goes on a murder spree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't care because we don't know these people and all of that is fair and true My biggest issue is like Spike says he loves Buffy and then he does that and that is like

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, rape is rape and it's bad all around, but it's like especially heinous to have a character be like, I love you and then do that and like, I mean, we mentioned this before it feels like a betrayal of like the the the viewer's trust like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: To have a character that has been so established on the show that people adore, do something so horrific and try to, like, fall back on the argument if he, him not having a soul, it's like, okay, well, if he truly didn't fucking have a soul, then he wouldn't do all these other kind things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wouldn't have emotions, he wouldn't, yeah, or, you know, you'll love to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's like, yeah, that's my whole point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't have it both ways, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that I feel like that's why I have a hard problem with is that, like, well, if he really was in, like, you, you, you to feel love, you have to have a soul, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to feel anything you kind of need to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I'm like, okay, for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, no, like, do I forgive Spike?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Am I going to, like, you know, is he going to be my favorite character?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I just also have this like understanding that like we are stuck with him for

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[SPEAKER_02]: one more season of Buffy and yeah one at least one season of Angel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I what I have to do is like or what I do is like I put away or put aside my feelings about him and I'm more curious.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was more interesting to me is how the show is going to try to redeem him and I am interested in that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well I think like you would be like I never want to see this mother fucker on my screen ever again

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[SPEAKER_02]: over these scenes because I don't want to watch him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think like that's just the difference between you and I have like a curiosity about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm curious how they're going to try to swing this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I also am like probably not going to work and it's probably going to be a bunch of bullshit, but I'm going to watch it because I'm curious little ones again how they're going to swing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have this understanding that he's such a beloved character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and in like a anthropological anthropological?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, um, aspect of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also curious of like, oh, do people just choose to forget because I wonder that as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like do people just like pretend that seem never happened.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then they're like, I still love spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're just going to forget this ever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's interesting to me as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like a logical type of thing of like, oh, can people really for giving forget if it's for somebody that they like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That they love or like have a deep connection with I think the answer is yes I think that like there's so many characters in media or books or whatever or even you know It's even interesting of like

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[SPEAKER_02]: people that have family members that are murderers, but they still love them and forget them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I can't think of like that Brian Landry laundry guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, oh my God, from funny lights?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, remember that like that guy that was dating the girl me went like, um, they had like they used to travel in like a van together and he

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And most of the short, the reason why I brought it's like his parents like we're trying to hide stuff, you know, because they loved him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I'm going to talk topic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My point is, is that how much can you fork in for a person that you love?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like your husband was like Jessica, I just murdered somebody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you like calling the cops and train him in or like we are right or die baby?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I, you know, they're digging.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll be there with the shovel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of people are there with the shovel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's fair.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, I'm intrigued to see what they try to do with Spike to get people to forgive him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We did get a comment from our friend, Toda Librarian.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he says, what's fun is for most people, there's the, well, you forgave Angel for killing a ton of people when he lost his soul.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why can't you forgive Spike for what he did without his argument.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But since Jess hates Angel, it almost likely have no effect on her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And to that I say, yeah, Angel sucks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, I, that doesn't work on me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm well, we don't watch this show for the boys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's pretty clear.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Judge Giles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm Yattie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, and that means two different things to both of us as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the daddy doctor, daddy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so that's kind of the that's the the sum summary of the Everything that happened with spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It may have a short stuff, but like obviously going to be impactful in terms of season seven.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's kind of talk hand-in-hand about what happens with the Scoobies and Dark Willow because after she sucks off Giles' magic, she feels overwhelming empathy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She has emotional bursts and this leads her to the conclusion that there's too much pain in the world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's going to do everyone a favor and she's just going to end the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we kind of catastrophize like it can't be enough that we just like blow up Sunnydale or the magic shop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have to end the world and glory did it better.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like glory did you do it better?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Willow basically, first of all, totally trash is the magic box, which is a travesty.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then, I mean, hopefully I'm insurance, although this is like an act of God, so like you'd say anyway.

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[SPEAKER_03]: she goes to this place and she raises the spire of this satanic temple and basically apparently they once wanted to end the world and so who gives a fuck but she's going to try to- who cares about this crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that they're dropping some random ass Sunnydale lore out of nowhere,

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[SPEAKER_02]: in a season finale of a person of a god or like an entity that we have never heard of he's insane and like once again like jiles is just like yes like this is like they they lore dropped us like why did they do that like they love lore splaning like truly it's like oh and this is why and oh oh and did we mention that by the way I'm nothing magical or supernatural

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like since fucking when like why like I explain this what the Buffy can the slayer cannot help obviously because we need human mortals They enter to come in and save the day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I mean whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I liked I liked it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hear I didn't mind it

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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed that it was their friendship and their history and his love for Willow that helped save the day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't need them to be like, and Buffy can't do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I know that's why they had to explain that that she wouldn't be able to, which is why Zander did it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But what did people are powerful?

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[SPEAKER_03]: If Zander went off and did it anyway, even if he knew that like Buffy could have done something, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he didn't know that because she didn't, didn't he hear on you saying it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know because the stupid thing is, once again, I'm gonna be like, let's talk about stupid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Buffy and Dawn fall in a ditch and they can't get out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They fall in a hole and they can't get up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just like, so they're stuck in the hole and they're like, zanders ander, hey, can you get us a rope?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We can't get out of this giant hole and zander is like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: a clown because everyone he passed out and then when he woke up he's like, there's no rope anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to help you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're in the fucking graveyard you boron.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, wait, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tie your fucking clothes together and like, what are we doing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they're stuck in a second of thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They can't get out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's like a coppins and the walls of the ditch, but they just can't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just like

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[SPEAKER_02]: And even though we know that Buffy has like stuber jump, she can't get out of the hole.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The hole's too deep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she also don't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, hey, the tunnel's probably go to this is spike grip tripped and she's like, she was like, we could probably get out that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Buffy totally ignores Don.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, as fucking always, we don't want ever listen to Don, not completely ignores her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just like, writes her off completely like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I shouldn't even respond to that comment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's so fucking rude to Don.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Don, she only is able to earn Buffy's respect when she fucking kicks ass, fighting elementals, and Buffy's like, oh, since where can you do this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Don's like, bitch, I've been lunching you for years, and Don just enter bedroom, like summer, salty, and like kicking dummies and shit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, unbelievable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because like even at the end, she's or in the beginning of the episode, she's still trying to protect Dawn and Dawn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, let me do something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is why she needed fucking self-defense, Buffy, for situations like this, like it's so infuriating, it's so infuriating.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, the whole reason Buffy's even there in the first place is because

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[SPEAKER_03]: Willow sends a fireball after Zander, Dawn, and the loser duo, and so Buffy has to is basically forced to like, okay, I instead of dealing with Willow, I have to go save my friends, and then they end up falling in the hole.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In the meantime, though, we have to talk about the fact that Zander,

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[SPEAKER_03]: As the world is ending, as shit is going down, as he is babysitting Dawn, he decides in his infinite fucking wisdom.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now is the perfect time to tell Dawn that Spike tried to rape Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: excellent timing, Zander.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay, in his defense, she because Dawn is like trying to be like, we can't do this about Spike or like, we need Spike or like, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that like, he's so fucking sick of hearing everybody give Spike the benefit of the dough or want Spike around or anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She does have a right to know and I think I let I like how they don't call us but the out later in the episode and she's just like Why the fuck would you bring me there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We said Dawn we fucking said this don't I hear the thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know what he says hold up But yeah, you don't have like a right to know or you didn't have to know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, she does you put her in danger

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[SPEAKER_03]: she definitely needed to know my argument is that like time and place and like person it's coming from this was not zanders information to tell i feel like this is a sit down with a buffie and dawn to like talk about this and i don't think he handled it particularly well and it like bothered me because this is not the time zander like spikes not even around at this moment dawn doesn't need to know spikes at a town that's all you need to

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[SPEAKER_03]: It bothered me the way he handled it because again, not his information to tell like this is Buffy's to tell Dawn when the time is right the time is not right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, she needs to tell her obviously.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, no one ever fucking listens to Dawn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so annoying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And in all the hub above the fucking fireball and Zander pass an out and Dawn and Buffy getting put in the

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[SPEAKER_03]: is like, oh, I'm in Canada and they hit, like, yeah, and then, like, one last, like, gay joke for the road.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Love, have to have the gay joke for the, literally for the road, um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So they're, who cares about them?

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're off, like, they're alive, whatever, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, meanwhile, Dark Willow's on the cliff, and

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[SPEAKER_03]: their zander and he is there and he is pleading and he basically reminds her of he says I will love you no matter what um and he basically says like you're you've been my best friend my whole life I know you're in pain you're going to do something so evil and stupid

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I still want to hang your willow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he tells the story about when she was in kindergarten.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She broke a yellow crayon and she cried.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she was too afraid to tell anyone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But like he says, I love, I loved her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I love you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if I'm going out, then you can start with me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it's like, she cuts him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did like this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like the, she like slashes at him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he gets these like three cuts on his cheeks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and he doesn't stop.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He still continues to say he loves her and finally like that is able to kind of get

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[SPEAKER_03]: in because of the magic she absorbs from jiles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She is able to feel the empathy and breaks down and we do see her like cry and hugs and her hair goes back to red and she's no longer creepy Vaney and her lips still look fucking horrible because the makeup department said, fuck you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, this is how they stop willow from ending the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yay, hooray, we did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they kind of got it out of it, I put sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It felt a little rushed on all, but I did really, it worked for me personally.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did like how Zander was the one that

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[SPEAKER_02]: um, as her oldest friend was the one that got to get through to her and I laid the fact that, um, I like with you saying like, you know, you can do whatever and I still want, I still went ahead, like I still want to be with you and all of this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so for me, it all worked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I liked it and I liked how it resolved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, and everybody else tried, you know, like Buffy tried, she, and last week we were complaining how it didn't feel authentic coming from Buffy, you felt a little like, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sanders supposedly being the heart of the show or the heart of the scoobies, I think like it had to come from him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, and he's the mortal one, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's the one that she's not had to play second fiddle to in the same way she has had to with Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mostly liked this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I liked the speech.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I liked the idea of like your friend being able to pull you back from the brink.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The thing I didn't really appreciate is then when Giles has the realization of like, oh my god, he stopped or like everything is okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, uh, Zander was the one to reach her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, he saved us all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it, like, cuts to on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, so, help me fucking God, if this brings them back together, I will fucking rage.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, abs.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't leave someone at the altar and then get another chance.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, absolutely not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the other thing that I had just the delivery of,

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[SPEAKER_02]: um both of them of jiles being like because he had some sort of thing that he was able to see through he could feel like her because she still has magic or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, so like he was able to watch what was happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like I can see as men like I mean it's does say like it's a miracle which was kind of funny but um he's basically like explaining to her what is happening and he goes, oh wow

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[SPEAKER_02]: it was Zander who did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He saved us all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then on just like Zander, Zander saved us all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was once again, just felt very heavy handed, Kate on, like very transparent of what was they were trying to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, like I felt like it was a cheesy shit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was very cheesy shit, um, didn't work for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like we're setting something up here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll be really disappointed if it happened, like listen, I appreciate Zander and Willow and their friendship and their history.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't need this to be an attempt to redeem Zander for the dumb fucking shit he pulled this season, because I'm not in a forgiving mood.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not, I'm not about to forgive him for this bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I can't forgive him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're so easy to forget, be like, yeah, because I feel as though he was just heavily influenced by his own fears of coming his father maybe don't propose then maybe maybe just like don't do that then

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe we don't propose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You made a mistake, but he loves her and he still loves her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He loved her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You still loves her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That didn't change.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes love isn't enough, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It goes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do forgive Zander.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not mad at him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the thing is, is if he didn't have a history of making such ass-and-eye decisions, maybe I'd be a little more willing to forgive, but he has like a history of pissing me off, so he's already always shitless, and then he really fucked up, because Ania is a gen. She's a gem, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So forgive him too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not in the forgiving mood right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe next season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see we do kind of also have this moment between Buffy and Dawn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're after they realize everything's going to be okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Buffy says like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: This also felt rushed to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how you feel about this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see, as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It felt like I don't know if we're getting another season and so I need to end things on a good note of like, and this is so unrealistic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't how fucking depression works.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't how any of this works.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Where it's like, oh, I've seen the light.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like, yeah, everything sucked, but now it's gonna change.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know what, Dawn,

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[SPEAKER_03]: before I just thought you were a shitty little sister who couldn't do anything, but now that I've seen you fight like me, I want to see you grow up to be the amazing woman you're going to be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like the fuck, like this is I'm so sorry, but like this is not how this works.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like if you're depressed, if you're anxious, if you have mental health issues,

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[SPEAKER_03]: you can have all of the amazing incredible people in your world next to you and still be depressed anxious and alone like having someone and it can be it's nice it's great to have a support system don't get me wrong it does not work like this Sarah like it is not a like flip switch like

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, a lot of, it's a fucking battle, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's a battle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this felt like we have spent the entire season, the one redeeming quality of season six is just the portrayal of depression, and how difficult it can be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All to at the very end of the finale, feel like it's like hug time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so let's put that aside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What about her being like, I wanna fight

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[SPEAKER_02]: with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to show you the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to hide you from it, but you know what I want to do is like work with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what we've been asking for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, finally.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Finally.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all we've wanted was for her to give Dawn a chance to like contribute in some way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, we've always said, you cannot protect Dawn from what is going to be around her by because of your

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[SPEAKER_03]: Finally, she's recognizing that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm interested to see what role Dawn will play next season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like that as character progression.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't necessarily like the like everything's perfect now, which is what it felt like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe that's just a like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's one moment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm sure we've had those moments where it's like, today is a great day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the next day you feel like garbage.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like we've had that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But she's running on TV, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's also like sign like a big relief.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the world is not going to end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She has another chance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Presumably her best friend is back from the brink of becoming a gleaming woman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And things are better now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh yeah, but it's not it does not solve all the shit that's been going on for the last year for her yeah exactly and so it just kind of fell a little flat because it was like okay um all right sure yeah okay I don't know we'll see what happens next season it's just like

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, we'll talk about this season as a whole next week on our on our wrap-up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just was like a little.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Some of it felt just so heavy handed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like, all right, we are not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not new here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like we don't need to do this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's probably our weakest finale of the six seasons, especially since.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The show does finale is so well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because like the graduation was incredible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Season five was incredible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't remember, I don't remember season four as much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that was the restless one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was the cheese guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was the crazy one because fun still.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, we think like the penultimate episode is like that big battle episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you want to get there to the other ones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: this was like a very clunky experience for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I am curious.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this is a next week's discussion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like where is Willow going to go from here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like how is the audience supposed to react to her, how her friends, supposed to react to her?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it just always forgiven and everything's going to be okay?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was like dealing with grief and no harm, no foul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She just killed a Warren.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think is going to happen with Willow next?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll put this in my season seven predictions for next week.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think she has to go connect with a person who's also killed another human.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, you wish I do wish I've been wishing for years, you know, like this needs to happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I seriously though, I think she's going to really struggle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think she's going to, she's back, but she is going to be pretty broken.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think for a good long while.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, then I guess we get her being depressed all next season isn't that funny fun, but that was our finale.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we kind of, you know, not our favorite.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about season six generally as a whole next week.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Make some predictions for season seven, all of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I also watched an episode of Angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, season three finale.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you tune in to the set?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have no clue what happened, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can we just say talk about what is cordy now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is she in part demon?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where I knew that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what their actual like title is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It may have looked like she was an angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like wearing all white, she's getting like pulled up into the heavens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that she's now an angel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because they're like, hey, you have passed all the tests.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So now I'm going to be a higher being I think she's an angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that would make sense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's cute for the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's certainly not because of her haircut.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It looked, it was at its worst, this episode, like it was really tragic, the hair thing, the headband was not helping the John and Kate plus eight allegations.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, so she, and

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gravellopolis are beaten.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're beaten because she's in love with angel and everybody, but her an angel know it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Lauren leaves and a tragic a tragic thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, his last thing is like, hey,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cordelia feels the same way about you that you feel about her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Cordelia needs to have a vision for her in the mirror to understand that she's in love with Angel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then Cordelia is like, hey, Angel, like meet me at the pier or wherever the fuck they were so that we could go to the doctor, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then on her way, she gets sucked up by heaven and this metallic guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, it's the tale is old as time of, hey, let's go meet, I can't possibly tell you over the phone how I feel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we have to go meet somewhere for me to tell you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Both of them get way laid by different things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She gets sucked up into the heavens.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He gets pushed down under the sea because his son wants vengeance because he thinks

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[SPEAKER_03]: that Angel killed fake daddy, but Angel didn't kill fake daddy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And also, thank you, shout out to Tom Palmer, who let us know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, this was fake daddy's plan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm misunderstood when I watched the episode, but apparently this was fake daddy's plan to get

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[SPEAKER_03]: Connor Steve pissed off at Angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It works.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to kill Angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He works with that lady basically instead of just staking Angel, like a normal person, he's like, nah, we're going to make you swim at the fishes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to put you in a cage and dump you in the water.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not really a kill him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like didn't know that like you're just going to have to say in

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[SPEAKER_03]: So whatever, like that's that and the only other side thing to note is Wesley and Lila have fucked.

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[SPEAKER_03]: don't care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but everybody wants us to say that Wesley's hot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Wesley's hot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you happy?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't think he's attractive, but if that's what you need to hear.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is your life complete now?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: People really want us to like the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I tried.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I really tried.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They've given up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This didn't work for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's so like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they're supposed to meet so they can confess feelings.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so like, we've seen this so many times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like obviously Cordelia wasn't going to make it there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously she wasn't going to get to confess her love.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously it is so important that she gets sucked up into the heavens immediately.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She can't have 10 minutes, like no, impossible, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, they're not going to kill Angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The show is literally named Angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see him next season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ta-ta for now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The one thing that did crack me up Sarah was Connor Stephen leaning over to Angel when he's like in his little cage and saying, you're the Prince of Lies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hate that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hate him so much that I know because of P Campbell, P Campbell, but like I also just don't like the actor at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You sit on the throne of lies as a friend Wendy sent us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so it's so funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a cheesy aspect is what he is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So ridiculous and listen Sarah, if there's anything we know, it's that in every show we cover everything important has to happen by the docs.

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[SPEAKER_03]: everything important.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Watch out for the Sea Gook Angel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, like the Sea Gook is going to take him at the end of the day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that was our episode of Angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe next season Cordy will have better hair, and I'll be able to forgive her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now that she's a higher being, you think they'll give her a good stylist, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do we know what a higher being is higher?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I assume it's kind of like the powers that be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Those people, like she gets to like call shots, which is pretty fun and cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, okay, so she... Oh, because the powers that be are gone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're dead, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, someone's got to hire their replacements, you know, she's getting in her emotion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I don't know, we'll see that's for next season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to know the titles of the premieres?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, we won't get to for a little bit, but it's still fun to know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so the season seven premier of Buffy is called Lessons.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, for, for Dawn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Train her although be fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I want to see her little outfit her little kicky punchy outfit and Angel is season four episode one deep down Which like obviously we know what that means because he said yeah in the ocean the full like rendition of the little mermaid He says hello fishes time to see time to put on a play

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that it's the Secure for the next hundreds of years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now we're friends, you must enjoy them become as besties.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, Ursula has the song, Poor Unfortunate Soul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, as a soul, as perfect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were going to write this down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he, like, turns, maybe he is Ursula.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She got them big titties.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like Ursula knows what's up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying, geez.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll let out of that top constantly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been watching a lot of summer house recently like to the point where I am on season nine because I don't have self control and sometimes oh, and that plus love island love island, especially there are some women where I am like I would be so scared of a nip slip and you seem totally unbother leaves gen alone no it's Jen it's Jen because the boobs be spilling like I can't

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[SPEAKER_03]: focus because I'm so concerned that her never, yeah, she's trying to borrow all the clothes of the tiny, no-boobed girl.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know, I feel so bad because she constantly her boobs are spilling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All the other problems.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's close.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She deserves to share clothes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She deserves to share clothes too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Listen, love Island is a great thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone should be watching it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Movie night is tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched love Island with my mother.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What led you to this decision?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm not like stayed over for a few days this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Ab and I were like, shit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We wanna watch Love Island.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I was like, hey mom, do you wanna watch a trashy reality?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we watched the like, concept of more recoupling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's the best one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that she, her mind was blown.

01:00:02.441 --> 01:00:03.422
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, as it should be.

01:00:03.782 --> 01:00:04.502
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:00:04.942 --> 01:00:08.363
[SPEAKER_02]: And I told her I'm like, well, Mom, like this is actually like the best episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she was, she, I think she was into it.

01:00:12.765 --> 01:00:17.987
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, listen, this next episode, though, the movie night, which we'll have already aired by the time this podcast comes out.

01:00:18.727 --> 01:00:20.308
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm so thrilled.

01:00:20.368 --> 01:00:21.448
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait for movie night.

01:00:21.508 --> 01:00:23.489
[SPEAKER_03]: I want them to roast these people alive.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, I'm so pumped.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So they're, get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't have a movie night last season, did they?

01:00:30.195 --> 01:00:30.816
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember.

01:00:30.856 --> 01:00:31.717
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it the season before?

01:00:31.737 --> 01:00:35.924
[SPEAKER_02]: They did it and then I never watched season six.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I still have to.

01:00:36.785 --> 01:00:37.687
[SPEAKER_02]: I got six.

01:00:38.671 --> 01:00:39.051
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just like literally the best one.

01:00:40.772 --> 01:00:42.393
[SPEAKER_02]: I know I didn't get to it.

01:00:42.513 --> 01:00:44.814
[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, yeah, so excited.

01:00:44.854 --> 01:00:45.974
[SPEAKER_03]: Love Island is popping off.

01:00:45.994 --> 01:00:48.876
[SPEAKER_03]: Summerhouse always be popping off in my head.

01:00:49.256 --> 01:01:03.142
[SPEAKER_03]: I am so once boiled on summerhouse that I cannot wait to actually catch up so that I can know what the drama is because I know there was drama like a like a skinned of all sort of a drama thing but I don't know who the people are that were involved and I can't wait to actually spoil

01:01:08.164 --> 01:01:13.886
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean to myself, um, anyway, uh, anything else you want to chat about, anything else you've been watching.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know what you've been watching.

01:01:15.286 --> 01:01:15.907
[SPEAKER_03]: No, watching.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you finish six feet under?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got nothing new to report.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okey docks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that means next week we'll be back with our season wrap up of season six of a buffie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so until then everyone here endeth the lesson.