Felicity: Season 4 Episodes 21+22 - Felicity Interrupted and Back to the Future

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[SPEAKER_07]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Just be how never ended with those, how you need as a door.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Searching for something to put a smile back on your face.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Just remembering unusual times that can come from an unusual place.

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[SPEAKER_07]: I need a partner for a ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word now be there Just ask

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[SPEAKER_07]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's twenty twenty That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's nineteen nineteen Isn't need to pretend I got a hand I can land Who's like you really need a friend Just ask

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[SPEAKER_06]: Shit-nine show's not me.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Shit-nine show's taught me was not filmed before live studio audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you ready to watch a clip show for the finale of Felicity?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Neither were we.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to Shit-Nine Show's taught me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just earlying.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here with my co-host, Sarah Humphrey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah, how are you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't ready for it, and I don't know if I'm still, I don't know if I'm currently ready for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, I was guped in God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not expect it, but, you know, this show is called Shit Ninety Shows Top Me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is so nineties to just put in a fucking clip show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do shows still do clip shows, because I think so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It all because there's not a twenty something episodes of a season anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no, there's no time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that there's a world when you have like twenty three episodes in a season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think it's nobody likes them, but I do think it's appropriate, especially for a series finale, like a final season of a show to implement a clip show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not one that's only had four seasons, but like I'm just thinking to friends, like friends had ten seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was super appropriate at some point in time to do a clip show in the last season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But not the finale, almost no finale.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But finale was not the finale.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not a clip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's so much to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have like literally the person that is single handedly, probably the reason why we are standing here today, talking about Felicity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it only makes sense to have this very special guest with us today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, DBK is here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is, I don't know whether or not to thank him or blame him, but he is here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is the reason why we covered a Felicity single handedly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's the one who got us to cover it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So DBK, what do you have to say for yourself?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we did it like the finale of what you're saying to me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we got to find the one where they liked it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I will never find the finale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's what

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have the same being knowing what I know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have the same beef, but I like the finale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll get into the Elena of it all because yes, we've seen the deleted scenes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We will talk about all of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, yeah, here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This show up until season four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then season four starts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah and I are like, this is garbage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we hate this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're ruining all the characters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing terrible things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't like anything they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then time travel happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, this is so unhinged I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is like we're making trash into treasure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we are literally taking a heap of garbage and spraying perfume on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm here for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was here for the time travel shenanigans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we really, I was like, Oh, Elena died.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going back in time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to expend so much time with Elena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to like give her flowers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do all this, you know, Elena, they said, fuck you, Elena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck you, Elena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't care about you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't want it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You on our show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to give you dumb side plots with hobby air.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we're going to kill no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to calm down because I've been holding in these thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched the episodes two weeks ago and I swear to God, my brain almost exploded.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I couldn't sleep for the amount of anger that was in my system.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think my heart rate was at a cool like one, twenty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I was really, I was really having a time of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then after an old dies and I'm laughing and I'm giggling and I'm like, this is HIKI HALHA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This show has the absolute audacity to feed me a clip show as the finale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, D.B.K., I just want to say thank God we are here today covering two episodes because if Sarah and I had covered the episode, twenty one and then come on this podcast to cover a clip show as a podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would have rage quit the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like it literally would have screamed and then that would have been two minutes of just screaming would have been the podcast for the finale.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a fair critique.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I bought to be fair.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like a full clip show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's only like, sixteen minutes of a forty four minute show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a lot of clips in a finale where we spend almost no time with Elena who has died seemingly, you know, but she back, it's over sixteen minutes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I timed it because I wanted to, I wanted to know for the Elena thing like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's sixteen minutes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, there's twenty one clips that they use and it's over.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I see.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So less than a sitcoms amount of time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love acting track on my first watch at sixteen clips and that was over six minutes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's probably at least like almost half of the show is a clip show, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Cause there is a little bit with with Kirkhovsky and Felicity, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So upsetting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So upsetting Sarah, I want to know your reaction to obviously everything, but most importantly the fact that they gave, they fed us a clip show as of Natalie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was pretty big surprise, pretty meh, about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was just like, well, like whatever, I wasn't very pressed about it until our friend and we can talk about this later sent us kind of a,

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[SPEAKER_01]: behind the scenes clip of I guess is probably on some DVD content or something about ultimately about Elena and about they had scenes that would explain the end because like the the big thing like it didn't even matter like I was just like you know going through life but then when I saw Elena at the end of the finale finale at the wedding I was just like

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[SPEAKER_01]: what the fuck?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like the fact that there is, they have filmed, they have written an explanation for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And our biggest critique the last five episodes since we did the time travel has been like, why is Felicity being so selfish, so self-centered?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is she only focusing on the boys?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that they decided to cut

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[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest thing that we had to complain about that actually made me angry and like we all know like if you've been with us for a while it really takes me a while to get like really mad because it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: insulting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like the worst part of it was whoever the fucking do the editor that made the decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had the audacity to be like, yeah, there was just like so many clips.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I really just like couldn't say what we could not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a list, they chose the shit that they chose and the clubs to keep in over a major plot device that would answer so many questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like the two of them, the editor and

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[SPEAKER_01]: whatever is faced is called with AJ Jones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, like we would have never anticipated that people would have this question about like, how, like, are you fucking, what are you talking about?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And even then even we're just going to talk about the only thing because I cannot be specifically that we care about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't hold it into my body.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to list a few things that they thought were more important than explaining the alien thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sean motorboats the air, smooth ace clips, Sean acting like a chicken.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sean discovering Judaism only to like literally for

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[SPEAKER_02]: get that for the rest of the series.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, truly, these are the things we thought were more important than explaining the Elena thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I do have, I'm going to play later, a voice mail from our friend Todd, because he is maybe one of the most enriched people I've met about the time travel shenanigans and the fact that it literally makes no sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, even if

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[SPEAKER_02]: For those of you who who didn't see the Elena clips, we can include them in the show notes, but basically the gist of it is when Felicity is still in the past sheet before she time travels back to the future she goes to Elena and she says listen grilly pop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You cannot go to Columbia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you cannot go there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Please, you have to go to everyone choice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's her number one choice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She has to go like Duke or some other school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She cannot go and set up for school instead of just being like girl stay inside on this day at this time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, she's making a line of go to a completely different college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would rather do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I wouldn't even take a chance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, no columbia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She says, no columbia, you can't go to columbia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she travels back to the future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And apparently though, even though no is alive in the future timeline, Elena is also alive because of what Felicity told her, which makes no sense because you can't have both.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't have hope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even if I don't have to be dead or Elena has to be dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he'll be alive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess so, but also the fact that, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, still Mary Zoe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to say it's dream, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They try to say it's dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think that that was just like an easy thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it did happen, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the cover.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's the question I guess you have at the end of the show is like, where do you fall?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did did Felicity travel back in time?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Or did did since they cut the Elena thing?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Or did she did?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She did have how this was alive.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, so the, I tried to, yeah, no, it opens up way more questions because in my brain it is she travels back to the same, the same point in time, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she wakes up the morning of the wedding.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So then it's like a whole, like, lost thing of like, did, did, did, did.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did she now go back and all this stuff she did in the time travel shenanigan actually happened, but she traveled somehow by traveling back, the fire didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, because I tried to watch the scene to like pin point, because my best knowledge is she tells Elena the night before she goes to sleep with bed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, hey, don't go to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So then it makes even less sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think like in my head, Canon, she goes to Krakowski or wherever the fuck that dude's name is is like, look, I have to clean up some of the shit that I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now we have to go back to where she was again, fix that shit, be like, okay, no, don't go into the fire, Elena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: don't do this, like I feel in my head, because she goes back in time again, that in my head can't in this house to make it make sense a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She goes back again, then finds Kukowski again and then says, like, I need to go forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make sense, but like that's the only thing that in my brain makes sense that she has to clean up the shit that she already did in order to go forward and have everything work out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also be like, and by the way, Elena, like, your marriage is not going to happen, but maybe it should because Tracy's a good guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're the end too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the fact that they didn't give us any explanation, because when Elena shows up at the end shows up in the wedding, I was full on like, what the fuck is Elena doing here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I had no understanding because hey, they didn't include those freaking clips that are important.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, they gave us small days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is so insulting to like think that clips.

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[SPEAKER_02]: are more important than a major, major plot point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we get, can we pull up that dude saying that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that, that, that one clip, I think is what set me over the edge the most.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he was like, there's so many important clips.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's absolutely insane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because I was very upset that it was a clip show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's be real.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was incredibly annoyed that I was wasting, because I had just watched the like, no, is dead, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just watched that scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went straight into the finale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, the moment they went, oh, the way back to the pilot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're showing a clip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I literally sent, like, Todd, and I was like, is this fa, finale?

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[SPEAKER_02]: A fucking clip show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he sent me the gift of Robert Downey Jr.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, whatever you're going, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I swear that was the point that my head exploded and there was no going back from there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I was angry for the remainder of the episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's so funny because like I don't hate that it's a clip show because the premise is right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She's telling these these stories and they're using the clips to like, but

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[SPEAKER_04]: The clips that they use are totally like I like a lot of them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I let like list them all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But the crazy thing is some of them go on so long.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You put it cut like you just needed like this part of the clip.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You could have just played that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It like you could have found the Elena type.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what's like the craziest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because they kept like the other thing that really pissed me off was the clips they chose for Elena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, oh, Elena's mad at me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But she's also a softty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because it's like, what the fuck?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we don't even think that Elena died.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we just are like, well, she punched people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I got that for character.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because in that timeline, she's alive, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, but she died in the other one and she doesn't even rush it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, she's like kind of sad it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I know like yeah, but technically she goes like you were like don't tell it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to do do just something like don't say for good enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when her head she did do the work because

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just because we didn't see that clip in the episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like I didn't know when it happened, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's all very good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you just watch the show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You'll never know Felicity is Felicity saved Elena.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So all the people that said like Felicity sucks in his selfish like go screw you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She saved Elena in the end.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You just don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the other thing is, I feel like one of the other things that really pissed me off was she never, like this entire five episodes or however much time we spent in this past timeline, she spends almost none of it with Elena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you knew your friend died, like you Sarah, if I was like, oh Sarah, Sarah died.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah, no, then I need, I need to go and spend time with you and actually spend time with my friend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But she doesn't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Any of that, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And worst of all, the show, even the show is like, fuck you, Elena, you're gonna spend maybe ten minutes of five episodes with frickin' hobby air.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Doing what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doing what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Practicing his theater with him, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's pretty insulting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like, I think that we could go

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[SPEAKER_01]: for minutes and minutes and minutes and complain about just like complain about how they handle the entire lane of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is absolutely infuriating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so you weren't that bothered by it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least like I would love to know like your reaction initially during your first watch about how you interpreted Elena coming back without the context of that interview that I assume that you saw in the DVD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why was like extra?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was waiting because I watched this all like on DVD.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I famously, because I went away in ninety nine, two thousand.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I didn't have like American TV.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I was like behind a season.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So then I was like catching up on DVD.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So when I bought the DVDs, season four, when I was like all caught up had and come out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I was like waiting and waiting and waiting for season four.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then season four happens.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I just, yeah, so I watched the deleted scene like immediately like after the show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I like wasn't that right, like I wasn't that bothered because I'm like, oh, okay, like I was just like, oh, like this is weird that like why wouldn't they put this in the show because I was like, this is

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, this is good, you know, because the lane is like there for a brief second and then you have like the nice like, hey, because that that last the very last scene, I don't Todd probably told you is Sean like actually like talking to the cast and just saying like nice things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the the wedding signals wedding.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's the shot of them all sitting in the table and Sean is giving a speech and that's written in the show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But that was like the last day of filming.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So they told Sean they told Sean like, you know, just talk about the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get like actual reactions.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And we'll get like, you know, good shots that like will work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's go back to an ultimate episode because like that did have a lot of plot to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that I didn't mind this episode because it kind of I think that it was

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[SPEAKER_01]: had to come out eventually to Ben and know that Felicity thinks or believes or actually time traveled and to I think that I don't think that it's a

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[SPEAKER_01]: wild to take for Ben and knows be like, oh, are you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's like okay, insane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When she says to know like when he's like, oh, I got a job as like the the, you know, the advisor, she's like, oh, yeah, I know, I knew that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we know, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she sounds cocoa for cocoa puffs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she tells Noel, I am a time traveler.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Noel, rightfully, is like, girl has issues.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna go tell Ben.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ben walks in on her, like, putting blood in a pot trying to do a spell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, of course she's gonna sound nuts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they make her doubt whether she, her, like, she thinks maybe I'm losing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She agrees to go to like a hospital and talk to somebody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where I was like, I feel like the show is maybe showing its age a little bit, DDK, because I was like, is this like, the kids bands that have to sneak her out?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, this just, this seems like it should be a voluntary thing to be here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No one, it's like her parents have come in and been like, we are putting you in this mental hospital and you can't come out, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how hospitals work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I assume like I always thought for like mental health stuff like if you you get checked in, you can like not get checked out, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like that's like that's like that's a dangerous dangerous thing to

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess it depends, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it depends on how old you are.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And if you're in, if you are actual like mental problem, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like, if you check yourself in and you have like a serious like mental issue, they could be like, Oh, you

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it was very strange, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That like so Felicity voluntarily goes in, but she also like she's planting seeds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was smart.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give Felicity this her saying to Ben, call your dad, he's sick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and he has an A.A.

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[SPEAKER_02]: sponsor name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is a sponsor to a girl named Lauren.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's giving him information.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't already have to prove that she is indeed from the future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought that was actually really smart of her because she unless she knew D.B.K.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like, oh, on this day, this worldwide event is going to happen, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's listen to like, nine eleven, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she, if she knew a big event was going to happen and could pinpoint that, that's another way she could do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't, she didn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: purposefully go in the past, you know, she wouldn't have already memorized that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, she's giving, she's giving bad information.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no way she can know this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like she can't say, like for us, she can't really say something to know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: that like would would pal note like she can tell no stuff he's going to do in the future, but that just made.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But he doesn't know Zoe yet, so it's not just that just makes her look crazy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're like, yeah, you could like Ben could try and rationalize it and be like, oh, my dad's like alcoholic.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but like how does she know Lauren?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is all the very pro Ben agenda of these final few episodes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we are we are giving Ben all of the positive stuff in terms of he's the first one to believe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Felicity because Lauren calls him about his dad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He tries to go to an all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, DBK.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just like the point out, Ben does not believe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I watched it two times.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He does not, because I was just going to say he doesn't believe it like two times.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He actually doesn't believe her four times before the.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The, the, the, the.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't believe her until she has proof, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Megan is the only one who really for the Ben truth believes her generally speaking.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Megan's just like, don't commit me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't come.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Which is fair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: girl yeah I get it but maybe also if I'm Megan Sarah I'm probably like hey Elena or hey literally anybody else um should we talk about what's happening

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[SPEAKER_01]: but she's just like, eh, she's not hurting anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that we need to, like, maybe a world of, like, in between Megan that's like, oh, like, she's just doing her, just doing her own thing versus, yeah, versus, like, she's not hurting anybody versus, like, putting her straight into the hospital.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe something in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and so yeah, ask a question.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So with the whole like time travel thing, do you

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[SPEAKER_04]: you guys don't like, because you're not happy with the characters and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But you don't like, like, Felicity's whole vibe of, like, you don't find it, like, I'm using that, like, she can't keep in that she note, like, nose things, that she's like always.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's hilariously stupid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, it's very funny that she can't stop sounding like a lunatic because she keeps saying things like, oh, yeah, I knew that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or, oh, yeah, of course, like, yeah, I know for a fact.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be great at med school men.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's unhinged.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it, but I think also she doesn't understand after all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ben, once he believes Felicity, because he knows about the whole thing with his dad, and Felicity, meanwhile, has met Zoe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah, when we met Zoe, and we were like, girly pop just literally looks like every other girl that Null has dated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Never in my life, what I have imagined, she would be this integral to the plot of sees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be so much better if we met this Zoey girl in season three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's just have her established.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although, okay, D.B.K.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when did she show up in season four?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it like the first episode?

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[SPEAKER_04]: uh, no, she shows up like once, no, it gets to graphics jobs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It would okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it would be better if she showed up at the end of season three or the beginning of season four, just so that we could care about her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if I was like, this is actually going to be Null's wife, like the person that he chooses to be with, then like I would be a lot more

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're interested in her from the very start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that they did a decent job of planting that seed, because I remember she had mentioned that she wound up going to a mental facility because of a breakup with a guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that they brought that back in in this stay and then have the timelines lined up, I actually did do that like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that it was done pretty well, which may be a question like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was that intentional, like, I don't think so much of it is intentional or worthy like, ooh, this can like really tie in well with like the Felicity storyline because like it's so unclear like we had seventeen episodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that we got five more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When were the five additional ones written?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we know that there was an elapsed in filming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, the whole thing is a bit of a question mark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I did like how they included that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was really smart and a nice tie in because like I think that just to give both

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[SPEAKER_01]: Felicity the character and Felicity the show is like validity with all of this, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I liked that when, when Felicity says like, oh, I know one of my friends is like, you're gonna marry him and she says, oh Patrick, because that's obviously the guy that she was like dating at the time that ends up having all the issues which leads to her being in the mental hospital.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really, I agree with you Sarah, even though I doubt it was something they knew from the moment they wrote the character of Zoe with this backstory, I don't think they were like, we're gonna do time travel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a great way to tie it in and a great way to have Felicity be like, wait a minute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know what I know I'm a time traveler because how would I know Zoe?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when someone else talks to Zoe, it's proof that Zoe is real, not just a figment or for imagination.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, all of that really worked for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will say, DBK, one of the things that cracked me up the most in this episode is been breaking Felicity.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, it's fine because like I did like a lot of like recent search.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I was like reading like a lot of like think thought pieces or whatever people like that recovery and they're like, oh, you could clearly see this is like from like JJ working on Ali is so I guess it gives like a

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just like I like I like chuckled because they're like in the hallway with the doctors like right there like it's not like a very like you could have just walked out and seems like like yeah

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Evie treats it like it's like a gallon of ice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, any so he brings her home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is when Felicity tells him about all the cheating stuff with Claire and like, oh, this is what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is why I came back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's like, no, with Claire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who the hell's Claire?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and so she tells him all about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And oh my god, this is the other thing that cracked me up because Sarah, we talked about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And about how annoyed we were that the impetus for the time travel was Ben cheating rather than Elena dying.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it really, it's really frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so it was kind of a kind of both, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like the reason I want to go back in time is to be with Noel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is this episode like he came back here to be with you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She didn't, she didn't choose to go back at time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She drunkenly had a conversation with Megan and Megan like put a spell on her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Technically is what happened.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And now she is thinking it was like, she's like rationalizing what happened kind of, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The catalyst was bending.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Which was she was upset of Ben cheated because she pulled away because Elena died because the first he was upset is what I say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One thing led to the other.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm saying like, yeah, it was not about Elena, but it kind of was about Elena and away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she tells him and he's, oh, I promise, I'm never gonna do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanna be with the end of course now they're kissing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh my God, we really just, because Sarah, you and I are both like, oh there's two finale's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well we must have in one finale she ends up in one with one person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the other finale she either is alone or she is with the other person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we thought, okay, they're rewriting history and that is why

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[SPEAKER_02]: people are so upset by like one or the other, never in my wildest dreams, what I have imagined in both episodes and both fan alleys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're getting her back together with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I was very charged by that too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if we were going to do this whole, like let's rewrite history thing, like I would have so thought that

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[SPEAKER_01]: something the outcome would be different in both scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very, very shocked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of interesting because like I think that Felicity fell in love with old Ben again in the timeline where she goes back because like that Ben is like

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[SPEAKER_01]: is like genuine and looser in the eyes and be like I don't know what to say like I can't believe that I did that but like try and like that's like very like classic Ben however that's not the Ben that she

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[SPEAKER_01]: was with a year and a half later, that Ben made a totally different choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little hard to digest that like she did give that Ben a second or third chance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, it's really shocking, honestly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess congratulations Jessica, you are the official winner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am a fucking loser.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I could even celebrate it, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I, um, listen, I was very, dbk, what do you think of our take on cocky Ben?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was very pro cocky Ben.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was, I wanted to come in and be like, so just just to be clear, just to be clear.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The two, the two, technically, the three women on the podcast were totally fine with the gaslighting philosophy for like a whole episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We, we were the locals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, no, I love cocky bed because like my, that was his, his asking her what the lady's name was that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, is so funny to me because like she, you know, she knows it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like such a dickhead thing for him to like say to her at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because if you remember that scene, it's, it's fine to me because like a Ben Hader is like, he was like, oh, I'm a top beat, I'm a tell this down store neighbor, give him the business.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then it's a hot chick and Ben shuts the fuck up and doesn't say a word to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's the reason I like cocky Ben is because he's so like over the top and different than regular Ben who is more soft spoken and just just just an idiot truly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the thing is that I am team Ben, but I did cross out that who knew this freaking poster would be so freaking relevant the time machine poster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I never in my wildest dreams when I made this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So this opens up like my questions and for kind of here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So now that you've seen the whole show, you've seen both endings, you know, you know like the lore of Felicity now, you've seen like the deleted scene.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You have like the whole picture I guess kind of.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, would you describe it as a love triangle show?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Cause like, I wouldn't.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't be like, there's a love triangle.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I, I like, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It gives it a web.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But like, it's, it's a story about like two people that like love, it's like, it's a story about, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's these like true love for bet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And like their journey of how that like happens kind of like, nose there, but like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like my argument is, I hate, I famously hate Ben.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't ever want Felicity to end up with Ben.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's a good match.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can list him any reasons, but my main argument is, Ben doesn't make Felicity better.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, makes Felicity better.

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[SPEAKER_04]: To me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: like so that like it's like just a general like premise of an argument.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's like why like why I think like it always should have been no.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I like I like knows any like I like how the show ones I'm fine with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty rough.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like but like I like it like I like that like in the other timeline.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, you know, like Ben is is the choice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like so like knowing what you know now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you do like that as a choice or you like still aid it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you that I think, especially if we're comparing it to like Dawson's Creek, which obviously is always our kind of go-to as another show we've covered, another team drama in the same era.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That show is fully a love triangle show, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it is, your team Dawson, your team Pacey, she is, she dates both of them for significant amounts of time over the course of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This show, like, truly, she waffles about know sometimes, but they barely date.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They truly barely barely date.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't, I think it's more of a college coming of age show than anything else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I wouldn't

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[SPEAKER_02]: fully classify it as a love triangle show, especially because she really is barely ever with null.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as to the question of who I think she should be with, like, I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think her and Ben are a great match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they make each other better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I think they bring out probably the worst in each other.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Legally on team Ben.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would ultimately argue that she should be with neither of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I wish that was the way things went.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish she could have just gotten

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[SPEAKER_02]: that her bearings and like been like, wow, all of this time travel has taught me, I don't either of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm comfortable on my own, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I wish that that was the moral of this story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I really think Nolan better and Felicity all three of them are just better off not being with one another.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's way too much baggage there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Sarah to me, this feels very much like a, obviously they're in college not high school, but it feels more like a

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have your first love, first love, and then you just kind of, you grow when you learn, and then you move on from those people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that like it would have been nice if that was the moral of the story, but that's not what we got.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So going to like, is this a story about a love triangle?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say, like, probably not looking back on everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't really take off that much with no, I mean, they like circled around it a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, it really was the Ben and Felicity story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I had said at the end of episode, seventeen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel as though that that is what they doubled down on at the end of episode, twenty-two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So is it the story that I would have written?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not, but also I feel like, I don't know, like I feel like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would feel a little bit better about it if she didn't go back in time to quote unquote solely be with no because like that is like kind of like the thorn in my side about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It like is about the love triangle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is about her being wishy-washy or going back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't really think that they fully knew

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[SPEAKER_01]: a thousand percent what they wanted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And D.B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kate remind me did the same writers write the back five as the front, seventeen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I have no idea.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What I know is they they famously, because like the run, the runs of Felicity changed every season, I guess, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like twenty, twenty, two, seventeen, and then twenty two again, I think.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So they what they asked specifically because they knew this was going to be the last season supposedly they asked like twice or whatever they're like how many episodes are we going to get in the network told them you're getting seventeen so they were like cool we're going to write you know seventeen episodes and we're going to wrap this thing up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then they like double check that I guess for whatever reason in the network was like, no, you're getting like, seventeen episodes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then whatever show failed or whatever, and they were like, give us five more.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I guess like at the time, because I listened to that other podcast, they write, they wrote shows more.

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[SPEAKER_04]: like do while the show was going.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Talk very much about like, oh, like, you know, we were writing this episode and this was like happening on the show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't so much that they wrote a road ahead.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like they do nowadays, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It really feels destroying to like we were not a fan of the beginning of season four up until the original finale season four is horrible it just feels like they don't understand the characters that they're writing at all and then it was like certain things that you know in the in the

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[SPEAKER_02]: time travel like episodes were great in terms of we got to see Megan back to her old self right like back in her her off era again this it was really great to see like Megan

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[SPEAKER_01]: come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really liked Megan in the penultimate episode as well, like fucking with Shawn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was such a dipshit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just like, he said, he has that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He saw, I cannot believe that whole Julie thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I loved how she kind of got her own.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you'll end, and I liked the fact that he was like, be with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, fuck you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, that's incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's what I want from Felicity, but you know what I mean, but that's just like not Felicity men's naked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here straight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I also really thought to give the to not completely rag on both of these episodes, DBK, I really liked that the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had Megan discovering Felicity is actually telling the truth about time traveling and like she does believe for an all of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The way in which it happens is very funny where she lies to Sean about her new boyfriend named Paul and she's a cough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, a cough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's ordering all these items that are from Paul that are really just from herself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when she goes to try to return one of the items that turns out, well, we already have a Paul, a car's a cough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in our, you know, when our system here, he lives in New York, and he also was the one writing the time travel book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it also little too perfect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little too cute that he lives in New York, but I'm willing to forgive that for the fact that like that's how they introduced Paul into the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was very clever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I love the like Paul course, the cough of it all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The little, the little tree thing that he makes if there was like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Give me that thing that is like the dopest I love that thing I like yeah, I love the whole Paul course of cup at all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love like the making of the tree that like and to be fair you guys like Felicity interrupted you just hate that the the finale is like a clip show because you caught I do you like the Paul course of all of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I

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[SPEAKER_01]: like it's the book has not been written and he's working on it but it hasn't been written so she finds him and is able to be like look like in the future you wrote the book it worked I'm back here help me like please because like how else would she be able to get back so I really did like the fact that like she

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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, it was like, I need you to help me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it makes a lot more sense because I also like, if any spell worked where like, Felicity, when we see her in the beginning, a Felicity interrupted doing spells.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm, if you listen,

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[SPEAKER_01]: to my the buffet park as I'm very strict about witches being natural witches and like I do think that Megan has special which powers and I think that course of cough has special which powers but Felicity is not a witch so if she was able to make which things happen I would have been kind of like

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[SPEAKER_01]: a stick like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do wish though that Megan was more involved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I really thought when when Megan makes the discovery about Paul Korsakov and like is able to locate him and tell us Felicity, I was like, oh my gosh, it's Megan gonna help him write the book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I got really excited because I thought that's where we were going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when it didn't happen, I was a little we don't have money to hire Megan for that scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have

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[SPEAKER_01]: to be the guest star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have the money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this guy's like in everything by the way as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've seen him in a lot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you did you like or didn't like then when he like because like is he a witch because I feel like he's he's not a he like kind of says he's not a witch so like that's why I think it's like very interesting because like when she hands she's like oh well Megan you always uses my hair he's like oh you're like crazy wicked roommate no thanks

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, whatever he does works.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with something.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, it's just they they played off that it's like kind of like science because he's like getting chased down by this like Fleming guy and he's like her act like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was piled outside of his door would beg to disagree about him being like a scientist.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I do like a shot in like I just as someone who's watched this too many times I think they play it off that he's like not in the witchcraft kind of so I just think it's interesting and how you gonna be making spell books then if you that actually maybe this is why maybe this is what he thinks is a science book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like JJ rooms is like fringe and like I just I just think he does do a lot of I just think it's interesting like if you like if you really like delve into this episode as I try to like save it like you know what I mean like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe it's more so, oh, like, he doesn't think witchcraft is right because he doesn't have like, he's not using the right components, but then like he got Megan, like inadvertently got Megan's advice to use the hair where she hadn't thought about before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now he's gonna write that in the book, which in the future she uses his books to do spells and she uses hair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, it's kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the or Boris like snake eating its own tail like it's a cycle like he sure he raised the spells that Megan learns how to do then she learns the spells from him it's like you know what I mean yeah but also I would give the show that much credit if their time travel actually made sense but the fact that they fucked up the Elena bit so

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[SPEAKER_02]: badly, they lose all credibility with me because it makes no fucking sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it literally makes no fucking sense.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It opens up way too many questions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did it make sense and loss?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I never watched loss did lost.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you ever make sense?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, not everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How is this man making TV?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because people like he wrote the pilot of lost and then he was like off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't do the full show of lost.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for that wasn't him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It seems like Matt and JJ were back for like this part of Felicity from like the extras that I've watched, but I don't know about writers and I don't know if they're gone by the in season four are they because the characters do seem better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It says the showrunner is Matt Reeves for season four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it seems like and created by JJ Abrams and Matt Reeves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think he was.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So who knows why season four is so bad, especially if they knew it was ending, is because the crazy thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because my thing is always, I say the show gets brighter.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like my weird, weird thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So like this is like the brightest season of Felicity.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like color wise.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like the worst.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like the shows color palette changes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the show gets worse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk through a couple of the other storylines that were in the penultimate episode, because we're not done with Julie yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She, her and Ben are like, talking road trip, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're gonna, they're gonna go to Dollywood.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're gonna go on a road trip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She goes to buy a car, four said road trip, Ben gets very wrapped up in the Felicity stuff and is basically like, sorry, Julie, you're on your own for this, this road trip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Which like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We just teased the Ben and Julie thing to make Sean look bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If so, I'm here for it, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because what Megan did to Sean was extremely funny and well deserved, in my opinion, for his bullshit that he did to her, I will forever defend Megan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For as much as I dislike the lot of the shit the show has done, namely,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the fact that they truly made Megan's only character trait toward the end being together with Sean.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was here for her embarrassing the fuck out of Sean for his shitty ass behavior, DVK.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So this is what I need to like, we need to find out for your like recap, because I feel like I never hated like Sean and Megan at like couple fighting that never like really bothered me on any of like my watches.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You guys are like the first ones that like pointed out where I'm like, oh yeah, they do like got like fight a lot and like I guess I never bothered me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's funny, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: They have a good chemistry together when they're in scenes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like

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[SPEAKER_04]: So like that never bothered me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sean sucks in like this timeline.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My only, my only question is, is it a fair point that like he didn't mean to hurt her?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like when they have that argument and he's like, because it's fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with hilarious what Megan does to him this, this episode, but when they have the fight in the hallway, Sean makes the point of like, what you're doing to me now is like being mean to be mean to be mean to malicious.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What I did to you, yes, was me, but he was emotionally cheating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, like I feel like even though he wasn't intentionally being malicious about hurting Megan, he still was talking to Julie behind her back and having these feelings for Julie while still with Megan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then

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[SPEAKER_02]: Break things off with Megan only to then try to get back with Megan when Julie denies him like that it to me is probably the worst offense is the fact that he's like hey Julie didn't want me you want to get back together like any lie about being in like a shit ton of debt which also is uncool right like it's not

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's all all this stuff because like we technically are supposed to know Sean is like going through it like mentally as well, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Cause they go to like the string technically.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They don't do this in this timeline.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So there's that like going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause they're not married in this timeline.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So like yeah, I just say like yeah, Sean sucks in this timeline.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like but that the so like my question is, do you think he was always talking to Julie in like both timelines?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then so my

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[SPEAKER_04]: head cannon because like we don't know right because it was never even introduced in the other timeline.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So and so my cannon is once he gets married to make it in the other timeline.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I assume because like you can talk to I guess you can talk to your friend through email right because technically Sean and Megan were a Sean and Julia are friends.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So in my head, Canon once he gets married to Megan in the other timeline day, like, don't talk or much or he doesn't care about it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But that in this timeline he never gets married to Megan.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So he thinks it's like a bigger deal than it is.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And also, sorry, Julie doesn't know where Dolly Dolly would is if she thinks it's a Nashville.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a pigeon for Tennessee.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just so you don't really not Nashville.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Julie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tennessee is all the same dummy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think he was probably emotionally cheating or at least like

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[SPEAKER_01]: talking to Julie through email up until I can see him doing it up until marriage and I do think that he respected his marriage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he wouldn't have continued after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I would have to believe it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We never heard him mention Julie prior to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I probably agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's unfortunate because I remember being so excited when Megan and Sean got together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we were like, this is gonna be our new favorite couple.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then all the show fed us was just argument after argument after argument.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it got really old, really quickly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it feels like it really falls apart here in the final season to the point where I am like Megan run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Run as fast as you can away from this man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, please save yourself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just really unfortunate to have that be where I end up, where I am like, yes, Megan, do a presentation and bear us him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, I don't want to feel that way, but they really did Sean Dirty and like the final couple of seasons with what, literally every storyline they give his character, it's just really unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to end up here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to be like happy for them as a couple and like want them to be together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted them to be the couple that like, you know how it is, D.B.K., it's like sometimes you watch a show and the main couples are like irritating because they're always on again off again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, like friends, I would say it's a good example, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're like Rachel and Ross, like you're annoyed, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're constantly back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas Chandler and Monica, you're like, fuck yeah, they're a stable couple.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I wanted Megan and Sean to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But unfortunately, it didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm just curious if like in the Fless D streets, that's like the sentiment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really curious because I don't know that I could watch the show feeling on the other way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe back in the day, but watching it every single week and having them argue, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Sarah agreed with me when we talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's uncomfortable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just feel bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to be around a couple that's just arguing constantly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think like the majority of us have had a friend and like a friend couple that does that and when you're like literally next to it, it's uncomfortable or

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[SPEAKER_01]: or when you watch like a couple, not treat each other with love and respect, it feels so uncomfortable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I think that like watching it on TV made me flashback to like seeing my friends or whomever go through a similar situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you're in that situation, and you're watching people that you care about, you're like, why are you doing this to each other into yourselves?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're not happy, then like how is like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean there's couples that do love to bigger but like not when it gets like pointed and mean so I don't know like I just feel like for me watching it for especially like Megan who I've grown to really like as a character and Sean who I like prior to

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[SPEAKER_01]: the season, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's almost like they're my friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just like, just stop it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cut it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just be nice to be each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're partying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a lot of the time we was like the same fight over and over again, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was like shons, like you're not supporting me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Megan is admittedly not being supportive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then like it's that argument and it's also the fact that like Sean is a home body and Megan likes to go out which is actually also a pretty common fight amongst couples.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then we saw the episode where like he went to go to the sex party and he was in the stir-ups and that was like really fun too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they were able to solve that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then I think like we probably were dressed and had the same argument after the fact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't

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[SPEAKER_01]: super keep track but like there wasn't like a lot of you know a lot of growth between the two couples between that couple at times I feel.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's also hard to because like Megan's like big big trade is that like she's mean, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's that like she's like has that hard edge to her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's hard to like I feel like there's will this show that will for you guys never found the balance of that and their relationship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really love to make it in Felicity's relationship more than any other relationship Megan has on the show and I feel like we're that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What did I just say I said Megan in Felicity?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did I say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No you said no you did say Megan Felicity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was saying like yeah I agree it's like

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[SPEAKER_01]: My favorite relationship that Megan's have also in a way like that Felicity has had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, totally agree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels um it feels almost like in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like in Dawson's Creek, like how like Joey and busy Phillips, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it feels very like, oh, your college roommate becomes a really good friend, even though

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have a ton of common and maybe you're really different, but they're like the friends you didn't know you needed that felt really true to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The friendships work so much better on this show than the relationship romantic relationships do work for me beyond the complete lack of a lane in this season in general.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's it seems like this cast like really liked each other.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know like Felicity and Amanda form and are supposedly like really good friends and like real life because of this show kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Megan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of, speaking of Elena and just the lack of, like the lack of the show being able to know what the hell they wanted to do with her, even her stuff in this penultimate episode is like, Havier is getting his, it's such a pointless, why we wasted time on this interview.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Havier is getting his nails done in the back, gets robbed, he's supposed to be helping Elena study for Spanish, and then he has to do a lie detector test for God knows why, gets fired, helps Elena, like this is all,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't really upset that we really, because Elena's death in the first episode, like really affected me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was really upset.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that by doing the time travel, that meant we would be able to spend more time with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I just assumed we're doing a time travel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That means Elena's going to be back in the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to get more of Elena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get Felicity and Elena's friendship, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the beginning of the show that was a big.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The show doesn't care.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Felicity cares.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't I think that you're rewriting history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was a major part of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that we've seen Elena and Noel hang out like a lot more than Felicity and Felicity were close.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Elena and Felicity were like the also Julie, but then Julie left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like it was kind of a mix, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think Elena was really important to the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And even if she, even if you're correct in saying like, okay, her infallicity weren't always super close, Elena was always integral to the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was roommates with no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like she was always there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, she was there, but she was a side character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They never properly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've said this a billion times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They never properly utilized Elena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They only used Elena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with against other guys like and like the the most like infamous moments with the Lena for me is her studying the Eminem's which was like a side story the assassins assassin thank you I was thinking like water gun out like it wasn't water guns that which was like a

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[SPEAKER_01]: a story, but it was also kind of like a side thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like her relationship with like the guy that she done her with her like best friend, the story that of her and tracing the story with her and

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[SPEAKER_01]: keen and that's like pretty much like the highlights for Lena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that they ever properly utilized her.

01:00:04.618 --> 01:00:12.421
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was a couple of like really fun times where like she went out with the girls, but then there was also a handful of times where she didn't go out with the girls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that they

01:00:16.361 --> 01:00:19.522
[SPEAKER_01]: never properly used Tangy Miller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that they properly utilized Elena.

01:00:22.403 --> 01:00:27.925
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she was used as a sounding board for other characters.

01:00:27.985 --> 01:00:33.047
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think she was used for sounding board for Felicity at times and for Noel when they lived together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and that's been my complaint the entire series.

01:00:36.288 --> 01:00:38.349
[SPEAKER_01]: I've said, over and over again.

01:00:38.389 --> 01:00:44.992
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I like Elena, but I don't feel like she has enough for me to give her, like bump her up in the rankings.

01:00:45.012 --> 01:00:45.312
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like,

01:00:46.012 --> 01:00:55.822
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like the most interesting thing that I think that they tapped into, which they didn't even really tap into, was a loss of her mother and her relationship with her father.

01:00:55.862 --> 01:00:58.705
[SPEAKER_01]: We had like one episode about that and that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I truly, I don't, I just don't think that they knew what to do with this character.

01:01:07.434 --> 01:01:11.936
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that they didn't know what to do with any of the characters besides Felicity and the two guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I really don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think that they had a clear idea what they wanted to do with Felicity.

01:01:17.418 --> 01:01:20.600
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that they had a clear idea what they wanted, that they wanted, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then to be involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, they didn't utilize their side characters very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's why, oh, no, Julie wanted to quit.

01:01:28.923 --> 01:01:30.884
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, we were saying that about Julie, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't really know what to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What they wanted to do about Julie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine, like it's, it's whatever.

01:01:37.709 --> 01:01:45.411
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think that like, I think it's very clear that season two is probably the best season by like, leaves and bounds.

01:01:45.451 --> 01:01:48.172
[SPEAKER_01]: I know last season I was like, oh, I think I like season three better.

01:01:48.332 --> 01:01:51.754
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think like looking back, I probably disagree with that.

01:01:51.774 --> 01:01:53.474
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just being like a drama.

01:01:53.494 --> 01:01:57.996
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was like, yeah, I was really like into the drama.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like season two is probably like D.B.K.

01:01:59.856 --> 01:02:02.137
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, would you say, see, I know you like season one, too.

01:02:02.157 --> 01:02:03.678
[SPEAKER_01]: But season two is great.

01:02:04.954 --> 01:02:06.904
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I'm a one two three four.

01:02:07.832 --> 01:02:16.235
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's probably two and one, I think are more in a chain or changeable for me, but definitely three and four are at the bottom of four being at the very bottom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll probably talk about this more in a second next week when we talk door full series like wrap up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think Elena started out as being more of an important character that had agency that had story lines that had, you know, dimensions, and then quickly just kind of tanked when they were giving her nothing or giving her little side stories that really didn't enhance.

01:02:37.201 --> 01:02:38.142
[SPEAKER_02]: the character very much.

01:02:38.582 --> 01:02:42.804
[SPEAKER_02]: And this was like this episode, I felt like was really an example of that.

01:02:43.165 --> 01:02:48.568
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I would have felt differently a little bit if they included Alena's two cut scenes.

01:02:49.308 --> 01:02:52.911
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like they had the juice.

01:02:52.991 --> 01:02:56.953
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they had something that would have really shut me the fuck up.

01:02:57.333 --> 01:02:58.194
[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't use it.

01:02:58.474 --> 01:03:03.337
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like, you know, they shot it, they filmed it, they had an idea.

01:03:05.438 --> 01:03:10.040
[SPEAKER_01]: But for whatever reason, they thought that smoothies was more important.

01:03:10.200 --> 01:03:12.581
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know why that really deteriorating.

01:03:12.621 --> 01:03:27.008
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like again, a clip show is one thing, but a clip show in exchange of important character beats that aren't just important in terms of like having a lane a beyond the show and having like

01:03:27.488 --> 01:03:35.754
[SPEAKER_02]: a heartbeat to it, and having the relationship between Felicity and Elena means something, but also just having it make fucking sense.

01:03:36.215 --> 01:03:40.878
[SPEAKER_02]: Because now we're just left with Elena shows up at the fucking wedding, and you're like, that girl was dead.

01:03:41.279 --> 01:03:42.219
[SPEAKER_02]: What is happening?

01:03:42.540 --> 01:03:45.202
[SPEAKER_02]: Truly, what is going on?

01:03:45.222 --> 01:03:54.889
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would have been much higher on the Sean speech at the end, and the whole wedding, and all of the group, Tracy's even there, right?

01:03:55.249 --> 01:03:56.590
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have been much higher on,

01:03:57.868 --> 01:04:01.390
[SPEAKER_02]: being excited about the full grouping together and kind of saying goodbye.

01:04:01.410 --> 01:04:08.433
[SPEAKER_02]: If they didn't cut the Elena stuff and have me just racking my brain, did I miss something?

01:04:08.513 --> 01:04:09.954
[SPEAKER_02]: How the fuck did Elena get here?

01:04:10.014 --> 01:04:13.516
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then because then Felicity, the story is Felicity's the hero.

01:04:14.196 --> 01:04:15.857
[SPEAKER_01]: She saved her best friend.

01:04:16.297 --> 01:04:21.200
[SPEAKER_01]: She made sure that no was like with the best person that he was supposed to be with.

01:04:21.240 --> 01:04:23.742
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, it's supposed to be was Zoe.

01:04:23.782 --> 01:04:28.465
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I like the scene that like Felicity did have Bezoey where she was just like,

01:04:29.245 --> 01:04:33.306
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, door going to be with this guy, no, he's great.

01:04:33.427 --> 01:04:34.527
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are great.

01:04:34.567 --> 01:04:42.690
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I like how she came to that understanding that like, no, it's not for me, but he's like an amazing guy and Zoe and no, we're happy together.

01:04:42.730 --> 01:04:45.111
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it was like, do you ever think about me?

01:04:45.191 --> 01:04:45.991
[SPEAKER_01]: That was like a weird thing.

01:04:46.031 --> 01:04:46.891
[SPEAKER_01]: He probably shouldn't have said that.

01:04:48.992 --> 01:04:58.416
[SPEAKER_01]: like the story changes to Felicity, like writing a lot of wrongs, like, Atlanta's alive, but she's also a Tracy, and they were a great couple when they were great.

01:04:58.816 --> 01:05:01.637
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, nose was Zoe.

01:05:02.257 --> 01:05:07.540
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget was Samuel by any chance in that finale seat in that last seat.

01:05:07.780 --> 01:05:15.503
[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been really good too, because like that whole thing was really bullshit too, especially having like three seasons of us being like, oh yeah, like,

01:05:16.183 --> 01:05:19.706
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we'll have ears like a really fun part of their advocate, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:20.026 --> 01:05:38.640
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that including like showing some effort as to how Felicity fixed some of the shit would exactly make Felicity the hero make us be like good for you Felicity and like yeah, you want to be with Ben like good for you like

01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:47.853
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but Monica once again, like maybe he would have cheated on her if Elena then die and they like they were both more present with each other.

01:05:48.034 --> 01:05:50.377
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a possibility who really knows, right?

01:05:50.958 --> 01:05:53.061
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it just like

01:05:54.376 --> 01:06:16.315
[SPEAKER_01]: take out all they had to do was take out a couple of the scenes, the clips, and input how Felicity was going to fix her mess by saving Null's life, making sure he still was Zoe, saving Elena's life, making sure she gets back together with Tracy, doesn't get killed in Colombia.

01:06:16.875 --> 01:06:21.299
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have a totally different discussion for the last hour.

01:06:22.660 --> 01:06:23.881
[SPEAKER_01]: It was so close.

01:06:24.141 --> 01:06:35.709
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I would have one bad thing to say if they about these last five episodes, Jessica, she gave me like the stankiest asked look that I've ever did see about the last five.

01:06:36.310 --> 01:06:47.198
[SPEAKER_01]: The last five episodes, I don't think I would have a bad thing to say if they took out some of these like shitty ass clips and put in how Felicity is going to fix her mass.

01:06:49.645 --> 01:06:51.127
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I would have anything bad to say.

01:06:51.147 --> 01:06:52.628
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.

01:06:53.049 --> 01:06:55.932
[SPEAKER_01]: Very GPK or am I just like being hyperbolic?

01:06:57.215 --> 01:06:59.317
[SPEAKER_04]: I, maybe you're being a bit high for college.

01:06:59.437 --> 01:07:02.899
[SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, you, like, hey, this is what I asked for.

01:07:02.959 --> 01:07:04.300
[SPEAKER_04]: I gave your honest opinions.

01:07:04.340 --> 01:07:05.481
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's, you know, that's fair.

01:07:05.541 --> 01:07:12.146
[SPEAKER_04]: Cause like, I would say they're like, they use a lot, I would say they use a lot of good last, they use a lot of good clips in the finale.

01:07:12.186 --> 01:07:21.172
[SPEAKER_04]: We see like, listen, get the necklace, which I would say is like the biggest grand gesture to be of the show that this.

01:07:21.792 --> 01:07:24.953
[SPEAKER_04]: that when they give her that bed gives her after they get robbed.

01:07:24.993 --> 01:07:28.253
[SPEAKER_02]: She has more of the grand session for me.

01:07:28.293 --> 01:07:36.835
[SPEAKER_04]: But for me personally, the bed and necklace because she wears that in a lot of like scenes at the very like so that that one just always stands out to me.

01:07:36.855 --> 01:07:38.975
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get like ugly.

01:07:39.675 --> 01:07:41.875
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just it's a normal necklace.

01:07:41.915 --> 01:07:42.736
[SPEAKER_04]: That's why I like trying.

01:07:42.776 --> 01:07:45.736
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's just a triangle to silver triangle on us.

01:07:45.976 --> 01:07:47.616
[SPEAKER_02]: You were on impressed if I were.

01:07:47.736 --> 01:07:49.157
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you wouldn't you wouldn't like it.

01:07:49.217 --> 01:07:50.717
[SPEAKER_04]: But I like that.

01:07:50.777 --> 01:07:51.317
[SPEAKER_02]: Very simple.

01:07:51.717 --> 01:07:59.346
[SPEAKER_04]: We get their first like both first kisses, we get Nolan, Nolan, Felicity, Felicity, and Ben's first kiss.

01:08:00.027 --> 01:08:06.795
[SPEAKER_04]: And then yeah, we get like the good like hobbynaires puts their glasses on Felicity, which I feel is like memorable like Wayne tells it.

01:08:06.835 --> 01:08:08.196
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't see the new Ben.

01:08:08.216 --> 01:08:08.257
[SPEAKER_04]: So.

01:08:09.598 --> 01:08:11.219
[SPEAKER_02]: We get every era of hair.

01:08:12.100 --> 01:08:22.609
[SPEAKER_02]: The one thing I will say the clips did allow me to realize was the foreshadowing of noldying and a fire because of just how many fires happened on this weekend show.

01:08:23.009 --> 01:08:30.675
[SPEAKER_02]: The number of fires is like unhinged in his hilarious, but I will disagree with you, Sarah, in that

01:08:32.136 --> 01:08:39.438
[SPEAKER_02]: I even even if they included the Elena clips that they cut from the finale.

01:08:40.278 --> 01:08:50.860
[SPEAKER_02]: Felicity doesn't come off looking like a hero at all because she specifically wanted to go back in time, not to save Elena, but to be with Noel.

01:08:51.260 --> 01:08:54.741
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is so supremely selfish to do that.

01:08:54.881 --> 01:08:55.181
[SPEAKER_02]: And like,

01:08:55.841 --> 01:09:04.571
[SPEAKER_02]: spending all this time, and then when in the past, she is like, but I have to go back, just to save Noel, not a word about a Lena.

01:09:04.611 --> 01:09:06.233
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, truly I can't.

01:09:06.834 --> 01:09:11.760
[SPEAKER_02]: She is so, so, so selfish as a character in general.

01:09:12.200 --> 01:09:14.081
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't get on board with it.

01:09:14.461 --> 01:09:16.782
[SPEAKER_02]: It is infuriating to no end.

01:09:17.042 --> 01:09:31.408
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that she defines her entire being based on the man that she is with is just like the antithesis of feminism in a way that I find insulting, like, girly, you don't have to be with either one of them.

01:09:31.668 --> 01:09:33.989
[SPEAKER_02]: She basically says, my entire life

01:09:34.549 --> 01:09:41.970
[SPEAKER_02]: went poorly when I decided that after I cheated on my boyfriend, not to just be with the guy I cheated with.

01:09:42.010 --> 01:09:43.030
[SPEAKER_02]: Like what?

01:09:43.771 --> 01:09:44.831
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually what?

01:09:45.411 --> 01:09:47.031
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes no sense.

01:09:47.471 --> 01:09:48.371
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes no sense.

01:09:48.771 --> 01:09:52.432
[SPEAKER_02]: Like get a backbone, get seriously, get a hobby.

01:09:52.732 --> 01:09:56.833
[SPEAKER_02]: Like do anything besides obsess over these two men.

01:09:57.013 --> 01:10:02.074
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what she's done for all four seasons of the show is obsess about these two men.

01:10:02.094 --> 01:10:02.774
[SPEAKER_02]: It is so

01:10:04.074 --> 01:10:04.694
[SPEAKER_02]: frustrating.

01:10:05.114 --> 01:10:09.796
[SPEAKER_02]: I personally don't find her to be anything, but extremely selfish.

01:10:10.336 --> 01:10:12.237
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she's always been that way.

01:10:12.257 --> 01:10:16.239
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's, I think Sarah, you and I were saying, and again, it's been a minute.

01:10:16.339 --> 01:10:21.821
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, I'm pretty sure by season two, we were like, we are very impressed with Felicity.

01:10:21.861 --> 01:10:23.502
[SPEAKER_02]: We're very impressed with her character progression.

01:10:23.522 --> 01:10:26.022
[SPEAKER_02]: We feel like she's grown so, so, so much.

01:10:26.503 --> 01:10:32.145
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I feel like the show was like, well, we're just gonna bring her all the way back to like, square one.

01:10:32.825 --> 01:10:35.867
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's really upsetting considering it's a coming of age show.

01:10:36.127 --> 01:10:37.629
[SPEAKER_02]: She's going through four years of college.

01:10:37.849 --> 01:10:41.271
[SPEAKER_02]: Like she should have learned literally anything by now.

01:10:41.871 --> 01:10:49.957
[SPEAKER_02]: And the other funny thing I think would have been really hysterical DBK is if she was like, hey Ben, while while I'm back in the past, don't fuck Lauren, okay?

01:10:50.157 --> 01:10:50.758
[SPEAKER_02]: Just don't do it.

01:10:51.078 --> 01:10:52.119
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to have a baby right now.

01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:52.659
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't do it.

01:10:52.679 --> 01:10:52.719
[SPEAKER_02]: No.

01:10:52.939 --> 01:10:54.380
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a misinterpretated beast.

01:10:57.250 --> 01:11:14.398
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the time travel overall like did did the did she go back and like Lauren doesn't have a baby now who like Yeah, it is a live so nothing makes right way too many questions way too many questions, but yeah, like I would I would push back and say foos he's not I would just say like

01:11:14.918 --> 01:11:19.720
[SPEAKER_04]: Season four, really, I feel like really, really ruined Flusity for you guys.

01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.842
[SPEAKER_04]: Cause I feel like you guys were still on board with Flusity for the main part in season three.

01:11:23.862 --> 01:11:30.506
[SPEAKER_04]: I definitely know like Sarah hated Flusity in season one and then was kind of on board by season two.

01:11:30.546 --> 01:11:32.927
[SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like you guys were probably still on board by season three.

01:11:32.967 --> 01:11:38.950
[SPEAKER_04]: But I feel like season four for you guys like ruins ruin the show, basically, for you guys.

01:11:39.717 --> 01:11:52.323
[SPEAKER_04]: because like, I feel like you guys were in like a decent place with the show up till season three and then season four was just like, it was just how stocks these all these characters suck and philosophies the worst.

01:11:53.459 --> 01:11:54.399
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.

01:11:54.419 --> 01:11:55.160
[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.

01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:58.001
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that like, which is a shame.

01:11:58.441 --> 01:11:58.721
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.

01:11:58.781 --> 01:12:01.182
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a shame because we really like seasons one and two.

01:12:01.222 --> 01:12:03.843
[SPEAKER_02]: I think especially by season two, we were like really in on it.

01:12:04.423 --> 01:12:08.245
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it was just like the show didn't know what it was doing anymore.

01:12:08.325 --> 01:12:13.087
[SPEAKER_02]: And it didn't care about the character growth and the stuff they had set up in the beginning.

01:12:13.267 --> 01:12:13.687
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like,

01:12:14.247 --> 01:12:16.308
[SPEAKER_02]: Screw that character, you know, the character arcs.

01:12:16.368 --> 01:12:18.609
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just gonna do whatever the fuck we want and fuck around.

01:12:19.769 --> 01:12:21.250
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is, again, it's just unfortunate.

01:12:22.651 --> 01:12:31.494
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, like the other thing of it that I was really disappointed, I didn't want to be right about the Felicity wakes up and wonders if it's a dream thing.

01:12:31.814 --> 01:12:35.356
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think she did time travel because otherwise it doesn't make sense.

01:12:36.456 --> 01:12:40.498
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was just very annoyed that they even were feeding us that line of garbage of like,

01:12:40.958 --> 01:12:42.479
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I had such a weird dream.

01:12:42.499 --> 01:12:44.261
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, stop, stop.

01:12:44.981 --> 01:12:46.362
[SPEAKER_04]: Why did you do it that way?

01:12:46.402 --> 01:12:48.104
[SPEAKER_04]: That was supposed to be like, Wizard of Oz.

01:12:48.144 --> 01:12:50.546
[SPEAKER_04]: That's like, yeah, whatever.

01:12:50.586 --> 01:12:51.847
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a good question.

01:12:51.887 --> 01:12:56.270
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that Wizard of Oz was just a dream or do you think that actually happened to her?

01:12:56.290 --> 01:12:57.671
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a dream, wasn't it?

01:12:57.911 --> 01:12:58.452
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.

01:12:58.492 --> 01:12:59.472
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it really happened.

01:12:59.613 --> 01:13:00.113
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:13:00.533 --> 01:13:03.195
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

01:13:03.636 --> 01:13:07.439
[SPEAKER_04]: I have like a question of kind as like a buffy, a buffy beef.

01:13:07.499 --> 01:13:09.460
[SPEAKER_04]: So we'll buffy beef.

01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:09.861
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:13:11.108 --> 01:13:12.629
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, like a question for you.

01:13:12.749 --> 01:13:23.075
[SPEAKER_04]: So let's just hypothetically, if Noel was no well and was exactly the same character, but a little bit, but a little bit.

01:13:23.415 --> 01:13:23.696
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:13:24.136 --> 01:13:26.857
[SPEAKER_04]: So like he was a woman, but dates Felicity.

01:13:26.957 --> 01:13:28.158
[SPEAKER_04]: Everything else is the same.

01:13:28.238 --> 01:13:31.000
[SPEAKER_04]: Stocks, Tyra, but like all of it.

01:13:32.468 --> 01:13:37.531
[SPEAKER_04]: What is your beef with like, Nolan Felicity the same?

01:13:37.571 --> 01:13:47.478
[SPEAKER_04]: Because I feel like it's not, because in my reason that I have this question is, on Buffy, you guys love Tara and Willow.

01:13:47.718 --> 01:13:48.659
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're fine.

01:13:48.939 --> 01:13:51.461
[SPEAKER_04]: Willow, Tara is a little boring right now, but whatever.

01:13:52.371 --> 01:13:57.635
[SPEAKER_04]: But Tara says to Willow and one scene that I thought you guys would have beef with that.

01:13:57.655 --> 01:14:05.160
[SPEAKER_04]: You guys absolutely loved where Tara Willow's basically like, yo, I wanna like keep you to myself.

01:14:06.101 --> 01:14:09.483
[SPEAKER_04]: And what Tara says to her like, I'm yours.

01:14:10.624 --> 01:14:12.165
[SPEAKER_04]: And you guys like love that.

01:14:12.345 --> 01:14:19.590
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think there's in any world where a woman says that to like Zander and you're on board with that.

01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:25.640
[SPEAKER_01]: Our beef is with Willow.

01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:27.721
[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying, no, no, you guys love.

01:14:27.761 --> 01:14:29.282
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we love Willow.

01:14:29.522 --> 01:14:31.003
[SPEAKER_04]: This is amazing.

01:14:31.083 --> 01:14:34.385
[SPEAKER_04]: The Tara said she's Willow's property.

01:14:34.505 --> 01:14:35.345
[SPEAKER_04]: We love it.

01:14:35.546 --> 01:14:36.526
[SPEAKER_04]: It's amazing.

01:14:36.666 --> 01:14:38.727
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I think I like how much she loves her.

01:14:38.747 --> 01:14:44.411
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, if a woman said this to Zander, you would be like, Zander, you piece of shit.

01:14:44.851 --> 01:14:45.872
[SPEAKER_04]: You're disgusting.

01:14:45.952 --> 01:14:48.033
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, this woman is not your property.

01:14:48.551 --> 01:14:52.815
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Zander, I mean, I think it's different if Zander says it than if.

01:14:53.335 --> 01:14:55.697
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, I'm saying if a woman said it to Zander.

01:14:55.717 --> 01:14:58.059
[SPEAKER_04]: I think I have to be like.

01:14:58.220 --> 01:15:04.305
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the reason I liked that scene, well, I definitely did not like the whole willow keeping Tara a secret, right?

01:15:04.365 --> 01:15:09.710
[SPEAKER_02]: Like keeping her not for meeting her friends, not allowing her to meet Buffy, not allowing her to integrate into the screen.

01:15:09.730 --> 01:15:12.693
[SPEAKER_04]: So I did not like the whole like the yours.

01:15:13.273 --> 01:15:17.736
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't like the thought of someone's being someone's property, no.

01:15:18.537 --> 01:15:22.619
[SPEAKER_02]: But I felt like she was saying it's like, I'm already like you don't have to worry.

01:15:22.779 --> 01:15:24.921
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm like, I'm really yours.

01:15:24.981 --> 01:15:26.882
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess I'm in a fine loving manner.

01:15:26.942 --> 01:15:30.485
[SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like if it was like, I just, you know what I mean?

01:15:30.505 --> 01:15:31.105
[SPEAKER_04]: So I, it.

01:15:31.926 --> 01:15:33.567
[SPEAKER_01]: And then context is key.

01:15:33.587 --> 01:15:41.252
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not like a tough thing because I'm usually more like romantic or like,

01:15:42.780 --> 01:15:49.664
[SPEAKER_01]: type of like that type of thing I feel like if a man said it, I still think I would think it was like sweet.

01:15:49.684 --> 01:15:50.425
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

01:15:50.485 --> 01:15:52.746
[SPEAKER_02]: Riley saying that and you being totally sensitive.

01:15:52.826 --> 01:16:06.215
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like I have like a sort of beef like with the whole like no and Felicity like when the the sentence was like they should separate and stuff and not be on their choice lives.

01:16:06.975 --> 01:16:12.299
[SPEAKER_04]: I kind of like didn't like that because like I view no as Felicity's like best friend.

01:16:12.935 --> 01:16:24.985
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you mean when we were saying that like because she she just in general when Nolan Felicity we're being like shitty to each other not being like great in each other's lives and it was like maybe problematic or whatever.

01:16:25.005 --> 01:16:37.395
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're if this has a minute of like they should separate and I'm like but like knows like her best friend where if it was like you know what I mean if it I feel like if it was just if they were the same gender and they were best friends

01:16:38.245 --> 01:16:41.227
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would have the same sentiment if they were excesses the thing.

01:16:41.307 --> 01:16:42.988
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think it doesn't matter the gender.

01:16:43.168 --> 01:16:52.472
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you have dated somebody and then you are like trying to maintain a friendship afterwards, but there are still unresolved shit, then you need to separate.

01:16:52.512 --> 01:16:54.073
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't think gender would matter to me.

01:16:54.113 --> 01:16:59.596
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's the fact that they have dated, not the fact that they're ones of man, ones of woman.

01:16:59.776 --> 01:17:04.799
[SPEAKER_04]: If that internet fact I see going around is true, maybe it has nothing to do with gender.

01:17:06.791 --> 01:17:09.633
[SPEAKER_04]: That he's in the divorce thingy about divorces.

01:17:10.434 --> 01:17:11.775
[SPEAKER_04]: What about divorce crazy.

01:17:12.035 --> 01:17:14.677
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if this is true.

01:17:14.697 --> 01:17:16.878
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like internet tick talk stuff.

01:17:17.038 --> 01:17:17.198
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:17:17.218 --> 01:17:17.759
[SPEAKER_04]: It was crazy.

01:17:17.779 --> 01:17:25.984
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like forty forty five percent between straight couples thirty nine percent between gay men and then like seventy percent between

01:17:27.325 --> 01:17:28.566
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the get divorced.

01:17:28.666 --> 01:17:32.288
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that what the divorce rate between couples?

01:17:32.569 --> 01:17:33.549
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I believe that.

01:17:33.769 --> 01:17:35.230
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, that's wild.

01:17:35.370 --> 01:17:37.512
[SPEAKER_04]: And then like the joke is like, maybe it's not men.

01:17:38.772 --> 01:17:49.919
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, no, I think that it goes to, I mean, we've had a couple of kind of like the stereotype is that women move forward faster.

01:17:49.939 --> 01:17:55.723
[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously if you all think right forward faster, then it could

01:17:56.973 --> 01:18:01.135
[SPEAKER_04]: I was just like, that's a while I was like, is that true?

01:18:01.175 --> 01:18:01.955
[SPEAKER_04]: That can't be true.

01:18:02.055 --> 01:18:03.776
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I feel like it is.

01:18:04.156 --> 01:18:04.737
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.

01:18:05.017 --> 01:18:05.957
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't speak to any of that.

01:18:06.157 --> 01:18:09.419
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just like, yeah, but yeah, so like,

01:18:10.792 --> 01:18:13.933
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, ultimately where the show ends is whatever.

01:18:14.073 --> 01:18:22.135
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I was mostly so mad that it all felt pointless because we ended up where we started.

01:18:22.355 --> 01:18:29.997
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if the time travel had meant literally anything, the only thing that we got back was Elena being alive, but they didn't want to invest literally any time and explaining that.

01:18:30.037 --> 01:18:31.397
[SPEAKER_02]: So why should that matter to me?

01:18:31.477 --> 01:18:33.938
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so ultimately I was like very, very bitter.

01:18:34.418 --> 01:18:35.579
[SPEAKER_02]: after watching the finale.

01:18:35.679 --> 01:18:42.663
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I'm pretty sure I posted like at least five gifts of like throwing my TV off the wall and turning it, checking in the garbage.

01:18:43.544 --> 01:18:49.447
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like so mad that I, because I watched it late at night and that I was laying in bed just like stewing for like fifteen minutes.

01:18:49.467 --> 01:18:50.788
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do now.

01:18:50.928 --> 01:18:52.409
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know where to go from here.

01:18:52.429 --> 01:18:55.671
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, really, really, really, really mad.

01:18:55.691 --> 01:18:55.731
[SPEAKER_02]: Um,

01:18:57.312 --> 01:19:08.334
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think we should get into some feedback because I'm really curious to know the general sentiment on the finale and like if everyone else in the world was as annoyed as I was and like had as many issues as I did.

01:19:09.034 --> 01:19:18.296
[SPEAKER_02]: We got two pieces of feedback from Tenney, first he wrote in and said in the middle of the episode, Nolan Felicity offered Julie Pizza, but she'd already had Chinese.

01:19:18.956 --> 01:19:20.737
[SPEAKER_02]: What are your thoughts about buffet's?

01:19:21.097 --> 01:19:26.178
[SPEAKER_02]: When I was a kid, we would often go to old country buffet, ponderosa or a Chinese buffet.

01:19:26.998 --> 01:19:30.022
[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah, I feel like twenty twenty just ruined buffet for me.

01:19:30.042 --> 01:19:31.143
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:19:31.644 --> 01:19:37.010
[SPEAKER_01]: I have like such good memories we used to have a buffet in Jersey.

01:19:37.111 --> 01:19:38.032
[SPEAKER_01]: That was Chinese buffet.

01:19:38.072 --> 01:19:39.073
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like grand buffet.

01:19:39.293 --> 01:19:39.954
[SPEAKER_01]: So good.

01:19:40.254 --> 01:19:42.377
[SPEAKER_01]: The last buffet they went to was

01:19:43.318 --> 01:19:48.665
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, when the wind buffet and Vegas and that buffet is incredible.

01:19:48.685 --> 01:19:49.286
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:19:49.366 --> 01:19:50.608
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so good.

01:19:50.628 --> 01:19:57.477
[SPEAKER_01]: I it was so good that like you couldn't even get everything that you wanted to get because like they're so good to go up like twice.

01:19:59.235 --> 01:20:00.797
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you definitely like.

01:20:01.098 --> 01:20:03.180
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the desserts were so good.

01:20:03.700 --> 01:20:05.903
[SPEAKER_01]: I can still in buffet.

01:20:06.724 --> 01:20:10.648
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't been to one in a bit, but I'm definitely into it.

01:20:10.668 --> 01:20:14.192
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a like Indian buffet that's like kind of near us.

01:20:14.252 --> 01:20:16.114
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really want to try because

01:20:16.914 --> 01:20:20.037
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, with Indian food, like I always get the same thing, usually.

01:20:20.057 --> 01:20:21.518
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good way to sample new stuff.

01:20:21.698 --> 01:20:22.098
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

01:20:22.118 --> 01:20:23.739
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not butter chicken, basic bitch.

01:20:23.879 --> 01:20:27.782
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say that or chicken masala, but I'm not taking this all a bit at all.

01:20:27.842 --> 01:20:29.403
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll fuck what's eating this all all day long.

01:20:29.503 --> 01:20:35.688
[SPEAKER_01]: I typically get, um, like a potato and like cauliflower dish.

01:20:36.168 --> 01:20:43.013
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, so, but I would love to kind of sample different things.

01:20:43.173 --> 01:20:45.175
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I'm very into buffets.

01:20:46.134 --> 01:21:04.060
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is the thing I love a sampler like that's if I do love a sampler would love to try like a little bit of everything like I don't want like um don't like we have like we do like donut samplers like I want to try like eight different donuts, but only a bite

01:21:04.460 --> 01:21:04.861
[SPEAKER_01]: Only a bite.

01:21:04.941 --> 01:21:05.883
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want a full donut.

01:21:06.163 --> 01:21:10.732
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to take a bite of every sounds when I want to do that with like my food too.

01:21:10.752 --> 01:21:11.653
[SPEAKER_01]: I love a flight.

01:21:12.154 --> 01:21:12.976
[SPEAKER_01]: I love a sampler.

01:21:12.996 --> 01:21:15.300
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so dbk.

01:21:15.360 --> 01:21:16.562
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you like the face?

01:21:17.310 --> 01:21:19.431
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yeah, I have, I like buffets.

01:21:19.471 --> 01:21:19.771
[SPEAKER_04]: They're good.

01:21:19.791 --> 01:21:20.951
[SPEAKER_04]: We have one at the casino.

01:21:20.971 --> 01:21:22.312
[SPEAKER_04]: That's supposedly really good.

01:21:22.572 --> 01:21:27.694
[SPEAKER_04]: And then when I was a kid, we'd always go across the border to Detroit to like a sweet sweet in house.

01:21:28.294 --> 01:21:28.654
[SPEAKER_04]: Sweet.

01:21:28.694 --> 01:21:30.014
[SPEAKER_04]: And that was like a buffet.

01:21:30.094 --> 01:21:31.055
[SPEAKER_04]: That was like really good.

01:21:31.135 --> 01:21:31.895
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like a kid.

01:21:31.955 --> 01:21:37.897
[SPEAKER_04]: They had like the the poll ice cream with all like the top thing which I thought was like, as a little kid, you're like,

01:21:38.177 --> 01:21:38.937
[SPEAKER_01]: That was heaven.

01:21:39.237 --> 01:21:40.878
[SPEAKER_01]: This is amazing guys.

01:21:40.978 --> 01:21:41.598
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

01:21:41.718 --> 01:21:44.119
[SPEAKER_01]: Not the soft serve ice cream too.

01:21:44.139 --> 01:21:45.379
[SPEAKER_01]: I miss it.

01:21:45.739 --> 01:21:47.320
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's still, I still in Jersey.

01:21:47.380 --> 01:21:48.640
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't live in Jersey.

01:21:48.780 --> 01:21:49.020
[SPEAKER_01]: Sam.

01:21:49.320 --> 01:21:49.520
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:51.321
[SPEAKER_01]: You're ever in Paramas.

01:21:51.381 --> 01:21:52.221
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to Grandpa Fay.

01:21:53.421 --> 01:21:53.921
[SPEAKER_01]: Hot tips.

01:21:54.261 --> 01:21:54.721
[SPEAKER_02]: Really good.

01:21:54.762 --> 01:21:55.542
[SPEAKER_02]: Love grandpa Fay.

01:21:56.242 --> 01:21:56.782
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:21:56.802 --> 01:22:00.303
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to play a voicemail from Temi as well and see what he has to say.

01:22:00.323 --> 01:22:02.704
[SPEAKER_03]: Hi people.

01:22:04.270 --> 01:22:05.691
[SPEAKER_03]: Kelly, how are you feeling?

01:22:05.711 --> 01:22:06.631
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

01:22:07.191 --> 01:22:10.033
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to tell me if you're actively crazy.

01:22:11.633 --> 01:22:13.334
[SPEAKER_03]: If you aren't, I am.

01:22:14.515 --> 01:22:19.197
[SPEAKER_03]: See, what are the person doing this assessment is the one who is crazy?

01:22:21.838 --> 01:22:28.041
[SPEAKER_03]: So how do you all manage expectations, successes and disappointments?

01:22:29.942 --> 01:22:32.543
[SPEAKER_03]: How concerned are you about things going well?

01:22:33.927 --> 01:22:36.009
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for these fluency seasons.

01:22:36.250 --> 01:22:37.511
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for D.B.K.

01:22:37.571 --> 01:22:43.118
[SPEAKER_03]: for weeding the charge and weeding them this way.

01:22:43.719 --> 01:22:44.439
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, bye.

01:22:47.223 --> 01:22:47.864
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Tammy.

01:22:47.884 --> 01:22:51.428
[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah, how do you handle disappointments and

01:22:54.401 --> 01:22:57.904
[SPEAKER_01]: I went to my bed and cocoon.

01:22:57.924 --> 01:23:01.606
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to put the blanket over my head, hide.

01:23:02.526 --> 01:23:08.730
[SPEAKER_01]: I have been trying to go for my little walkies.

01:23:08.750 --> 01:23:10.031
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to be productive.

01:23:10.051 --> 01:23:11.072
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is a lot of what

01:23:18.476 --> 01:23:22.698
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to work through in therapy is handling.

01:23:22.818 --> 01:23:24.138
[SPEAKER_01]: I really don't like change.

01:23:24.438 --> 01:23:26.419
[SPEAKER_01]: I really don't like bad news.

01:23:26.519 --> 01:23:28.000
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me very anxious.

01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:30.921
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

01:23:31.061 --> 01:23:32.181
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to be better at it.

01:23:32.521 --> 01:23:36.863
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to not just like go into a funk for like four days.

01:23:37.183 --> 01:23:38.804
[SPEAKER_01]: But now I'm sad.

01:23:38.904 --> 01:23:42.325
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like I'm going to go into a funk for four days.

01:23:42.405 --> 01:23:44.266
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's hitting me.

01:23:44.346 --> 01:23:45.446
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling a little sad.

01:23:45.506 --> 01:23:46.987
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I need to go cocoon now.

01:23:48.781 --> 01:23:49.742
[SPEAKER_02]: What about you, GBK?

01:23:50.262 --> 01:23:51.562
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you handle disappointment?

01:23:51.883 --> 01:23:53.083
[SPEAKER_04]: How do I handle it?

01:23:53.103 --> 01:23:58.086
[SPEAKER_04]: I try and I think about it truthfully, probably, but I try and stay active too.

01:23:58.166 --> 01:24:00.407
[SPEAKER_04]: I try and like, stay on tasks.

01:24:01.027 --> 01:24:03.269
[SPEAKER_04]: I recently is like a good thing for me.

01:24:03.329 --> 01:24:06.250
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, hey, this is a job that it needs to get done.

01:24:06.290 --> 01:24:10.292
[SPEAKER_04]: So I've been trying to like check things off and stay at stay on top of things.

01:24:12.463 --> 01:24:16.805
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's, I wish I had a better answer to this.

01:24:17.006 --> 01:24:22.889
[SPEAKER_02]: My anxiety spikes up when I'm like disappointed or have unrealistic expectations.

01:24:23.829 --> 01:24:25.250
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's usually not very good.

01:24:25.450 --> 01:24:32.314
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if sometimes I can be productive and like distract myself with just getting some shit done,

01:24:34.075 --> 01:24:35.436
[SPEAKER_02]: Other times I'm not so lucky.

01:24:35.456 --> 01:24:46.506
[SPEAKER_02]: I think like watercoloring, like doing a like an art that really just like a physical thing that you have to pay attention to to make your brain just slow down has been helpful for me.

01:24:47.026 --> 01:24:50.489
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that would work for everyone, but that's what's worked for me in the past.

01:24:50.609 --> 01:24:54.332
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's usually what I've been when I'm what I'm really feeling like I should do it.

01:24:54.633 --> 01:24:56.054
[SPEAKER_02]: I can do it, then that's what I'm doing.

01:24:59.486 --> 01:25:03.748
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so thank you so much, Tammy, for all your feedback always over the years.

01:25:03.928 --> 01:25:04.449
[SPEAKER_02]: It's lovely.

01:25:04.489 --> 01:25:05.269
[SPEAKER_02]: And we always appreciate it.

01:25:05.289 --> 01:25:06.550
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the back track to it.

01:25:06.590 --> 01:25:07.150
[SPEAKER_02]: That was great.

01:25:07.450 --> 01:25:09.712
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, a little little sound will sound scape.

01:25:10.712 --> 01:25:11.913
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:25:11.953 --> 01:25:13.914
[SPEAKER_02]: We also got an email from Jamie.

01:25:15.475 --> 01:25:16.336
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so here we go.

01:25:16.376 --> 01:25:22.140
[SPEAKER_02]: Jamie says I know you ladies have been enjoying the time travel episodes and while I can acknowledge that yes, they're entertaining.

01:25:22.400 --> 01:25:25.882
[SPEAKER_02]: They are not satisfying as satisfying way to end the series.

01:25:26.363 --> 01:25:35.189
[SPEAKER_02]: My big issue with them is, uh, even the time travel aspect is how interchangeable Benin will have become for her that it makes it hard for root to either pairing.

01:25:35.749 --> 01:25:40.513
[SPEAKER_02]: What I loved about the episode seventeen finale was it wasn't about Felicity choosing between Ben and Noel.

01:25:40.593 --> 01:25:48.340
[SPEAKER_02]: She ultimately chose herself by not following Ben to Arizona and not staying in New York to lean on Noel, which is what she usually did when things didn't work out with Ben.

01:25:48.780 --> 01:25:54.885
[SPEAKER_02]: Now she's just ping-ponging back and forth between them and they both just seem like a bad habit for her and not really love.

01:25:55.326 --> 01:26:01.011
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean if Felicity's initial reaction to Ben cheating is I should have chosen Noel what she ever really in it with Ben.

01:26:01.451 --> 01:26:05.513
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it takes been cheating for her to want to be with the whole, is she really in it with the whole?

01:26:05.973 --> 01:26:09.294
[SPEAKER_02]: As a team-bend person, I should be happy that they kept Venice her end game.

01:26:09.334 --> 01:26:10.335
[SPEAKER_02]: But I am not.

01:26:10.775 --> 01:26:15.477
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually think the show screwed over both team-bend and team-null.

01:26:15.737 --> 01:26:22.440
[SPEAKER_02]: God damn, Jamie, you need to be a lawyer because I, that is, that is, I mean, I'm on board for that.

01:26:22.480 --> 01:26:23.301
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think, DBK?

01:26:23.321 --> 01:26:24.301
[SPEAKER_02]: Is someone who hates Ben?

01:26:24.341 --> 01:26:26.262
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you, how do you handle what you're using here?

01:26:26.782 --> 01:26:27.582
[SPEAKER_04]: It's fine.

01:26:28.423 --> 01:26:32.084
[SPEAKER_04]: Like again, my big argument is like Ben doesn't make flasty better.

01:26:33.625 --> 01:26:35.665
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think Ben's a good boy friend really.

01:26:35.765 --> 01:26:52.132
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I think she would be better with no, but like a lot of like why they're not, why they never worked out as a lot of like nose, nose, fall, and like in this lens in twenty, twenty, five, it's viewed way differently and like we look at it way differently.

01:26:52.532 --> 01:26:54.413
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, she's spot on.

01:26:54.493 --> 01:26:54.913
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I

01:26:56.487 --> 01:27:22.710
[SPEAKER_04]: the whole time travels like difficult because like of the like what we actually know happened with it like that wasn't planned and then that the fact that like the time travels sort of the best part of this season because yeah it is terrible but I do think it's interesting that like she's a team better and she's not happy that like you know he's he's end game in all facets of the show yeah

01:27:23.888 --> 01:27:32.632
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she makes a lot of salient points, Sarah, and saying, like, if it's that easy to jump back and forth become the two of them, like, do you really love either one of them?

01:27:32.792 --> 01:27:34.533
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's that easy for you to do that?

01:27:34.893 --> 01:27:43.057
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like thinking to that same episode of Seventeen does kind of work because, like, ultimately, she shows herself, but then

01:27:44.597 --> 01:28:01.163
[SPEAKER_01]: and spend some time on her own, which is what we wanted, and then ultimately makes the effort to choose her, which I do think that I like.

01:28:02.564 --> 01:28:07.085
[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to remember how I felt a couple of episodes ago, I think I was okay with that.

01:28:10.456 --> 01:28:15.080
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, it is, it's a choice.

01:28:15.300 --> 01:28:15.800
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a choice.

01:28:16.140 --> 01:28:25.207
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, continuing on, Jamie says on another note isn't it strange on a show called Felicity that they ended the show on a wedding that wasn't the teacher looked at or was wedding.

01:28:25.768 --> 01:28:28.390
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you couldn't really do that considering what they had been do.

01:28:28.670 --> 01:28:33.896
[SPEAKER_02]: But to end it with the wedding of such a nothing couple like Zoe and no, just seeped wrong.

01:28:34.416 --> 01:28:37.339
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, did anyone actually like Nolan Zoe together?

01:28:37.800 --> 01:28:44.106
[SPEAKER_02]: Since Nolan's the odd man out of the triangle, who would have liked see no end up with Hannah Ruby Natalie Tyra Banks or Zoe?

01:28:44.427 --> 01:28:46.189
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, I would say Ruby.

01:28:46.349 --> 01:28:47.470
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, who would you have liked?

01:28:48.011 --> 01:28:48.311
[SPEAKER_00]: So what?

01:28:48.331 --> 01:28:48.992
[SPEAKER_02]: Hannah Ruby.

01:28:49.612 --> 01:28:59.139
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, yeah, I think Ruby, I think Ruby too, because I think I could see him stepping in as like, you know, a step dad, like, or, or, or, do you became anything of this?

01:29:01.381 --> 01:29:10.027
[SPEAKER_02]: After some time has passed, either Ruby moves back to New York or Noel finds himself where the hellever she was in Nebraska, who the hell cares, Colorado.

01:29:10.707 --> 01:29:12.429
[SPEAKER_02]: He finds himself wherever she is.

01:29:12.889 --> 01:29:16.772
[SPEAKER_02]: They start out as friends and then something rekindles between them.

01:29:17.647 --> 01:29:18.368
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like it.

01:29:18.588 --> 01:29:28.784
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like my thing is like, you guys, I know you guys like at the end like Ruby, but I feel like you guys were like the same with Ruby when we started.

01:29:28.864 --> 01:29:32.589
[SPEAKER_04]: Like you guys were like with Zoli where it's like, why are we doing this like blonde girl?

01:29:33.826 --> 01:29:53.280
[SPEAKER_01]: We did not like that he was the T I didn't like that he was like her professor TA whatever the hell like that was the thing I didn't like I think that like I was pre-disposition to not like anybody as a team knowler that comes yeah between I think like it just goes back to what I said earlier I don't think I would have a problem with Zoe if we

01:29:55.642 --> 01:29:59.144
[SPEAKER_01]: just got to know her more and like spent more time with her.

01:29:59.724 --> 01:30:10.690
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that if she was either present at the end of season three or saw understood their dynamic a bit more throughout season four.

01:30:11.170 --> 01:30:15.133
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I would have a problem with Zoe, but I think that Jamie has a good point.

01:30:15.153 --> 01:30:15.293
[SPEAKER_01]: Like

01:30:15.993 --> 01:30:30.720
[SPEAKER_01]: you know like I don't know them together and I don't know Zoe so then like how much can I actually care um I think that like seeing seeing how they're a good couple

01:30:32.212 --> 01:30:44.215
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, would have been nice versus just hearing about it in that like one moment where Felicity is talking to Zoe as Zoe is leaving the facility of like you guys are like a really good couple.

01:30:44.955 --> 01:30:47.116
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, why are they a good couple?

01:30:47.176 --> 01:30:48.336
[SPEAKER_01]: How are they a good couple?

01:30:49.376 --> 01:30:51.517
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I know that knows a good guy.

01:30:51.537 --> 01:30:52.617
[SPEAKER_01]: I care about null.

01:30:52.657 --> 01:30:56.778
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think nulls like enough thing, but I just don't know Zoe.

01:30:57.098 --> 01:31:01.279
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that like I was very dismissive of her.

01:31:02.259 --> 01:31:08.826
[SPEAKER_01]: throughout the season because I had assumed that she was just a girl, which I was clearly wrong about, so yeah.

01:31:11.456 --> 01:31:17.599
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to save one of one of Jamie's questions for the wrap-up because I think it's better suited there.

01:31:17.699 --> 01:31:23.602
[SPEAKER_02]: But she also wanted to share some thoughts on the podcast we did with Lindy on the spin the bottle episode.

01:31:24.622 --> 01:31:31.426
[SPEAKER_02]: You all dragged Felicity for being a bad friend and being self-centered, yet awarded the point of the episode to Ben for cocky Ben.

01:31:32.126 --> 01:31:37.869
[SPEAKER_02]: While Felicity may be self-centered, at least she wasn't directly doing things for her friends unlike Ben.

01:31:38.289 --> 01:31:39.990
[SPEAKER_02]: First Ben decides to go on a date with Julie.

01:31:40.190 --> 01:31:47.072
[SPEAKER_02]: When he knows Sean is heartbroken over her, I know we're all not at Sean for what he did to Megan, but Sean has actually been a good friend to Ben.

01:31:47.472 --> 01:31:51.833
[SPEAKER_02]: He's constantly letting Ben be late on the rent, which has been going on since freshman year.

01:31:52.073 --> 01:31:56.134
[SPEAKER_02]: He's always supported Ben and been there for him to give him advice, even though it's usually bad advice.

01:31:56.674 --> 01:31:58.055
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's been a very loyal friend to Ben.

01:31:58.415 --> 01:32:00.676
[SPEAKER_02]: Julie should be off limits to Ben.

01:32:01.036 --> 01:32:08.478
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, if Ben actually gave a shit about Julie, he would not be trying to put her in the middle of his drama with Felicity, especially considering how he hurt her in the past.

01:32:09.798 --> 01:32:11.479
[SPEAKER_02]: Are we forgetting about the end of season one?

01:32:11.879 --> 01:32:21.105
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to cut in here and really say a genie to yes, I definitely have forgotten about the.

01:32:21.425 --> 01:32:30.510
[SPEAKER_02]: When Ben and Julie break up with him when Ben had Julie break up with him and then we did five minutes before he started pursuing Felicity who was Julie's best friend.

01:32:30.850 --> 01:32:33.732
[SPEAKER_02]: If Ben wants to make Felicity jealous, he could pick a random hole.

01:32:36.994 --> 01:32:51.004
[SPEAKER_02]: And then in Felicity interrupted, he invites himself to go with Julianna Roadtrip, and then backs out as soon as Felicity humbling to take him back, that total dick move.

01:32:51.585 --> 01:32:52.426
[SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.

01:32:52.446 --> 01:32:55.608
[SPEAKER_02]: To top it all off, he once again can't bring himself to tell her.

01:32:55.868 --> 01:32:59.913
[SPEAKER_02]: and leaves it up to her to tell a hand to say, we already made that decision.

01:33:00.314 --> 01:33:07.063
[SPEAKER_02]: Julia has never been my favorite, but she handled that situation with a lot more grace than Ben deserved yet he gets a point and Felicity is the worst.

01:33:08.124 --> 01:33:12.610
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that in Felicity you're a lot alike, which is why they probably get stay away from each other.

01:33:13.451 --> 01:33:15.413
[SPEAKER_01]: We've really just in for the cocky stuff.

01:33:15.474 --> 01:33:16.154
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, really.

01:33:16.214 --> 01:33:20.660
[SPEAKER_01]: In my defense, I clearly remember I got outvoted in that situation.

01:33:20.820 --> 01:33:26.947
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not claiming that energy Jamie, I did not want to give the point to Ben and it was two against one.

01:33:29.676 --> 01:33:30.956
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I was all in on cocky bed.

01:33:30.976 --> 01:33:31.997
[SPEAKER_02]: I make no apologies.

01:33:32.437 --> 01:33:34.377
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he ever was wouldn't.

01:33:34.477 --> 01:33:34.637
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:33:34.697 --> 01:33:37.938
[SPEAKER_02]: He enjoyed that I needed to get through this last.

01:33:38.378 --> 01:33:39.618
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not find a joyful.

01:33:40.098 --> 01:33:40.438
[SPEAKER_02]: I did.

01:33:40.458 --> 01:33:45.880
[SPEAKER_02]: I find it incredibly joyful because he was being the worst.

01:33:46.780 --> 01:33:55.782
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I have a question for you, D. B. K. Because like I feel like now that we've seen the entire series, what exactly is it about Julie that you fucking despise?

01:33:56.482 --> 01:33:58.264
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a great question.

01:33:58.284 --> 01:34:13.738
[SPEAKER_04]: She's she's not a good friend like in this episode like her like I like Jamie was gonna point out like her beef with Felicity was hey I dated Ben I broke up with Ben and then you immediately tried to date bed that's fucked up don't do that where friends

01:34:14.238 --> 01:34:15.538
[SPEAKER_04]: Hi, I'm Felicity.

01:34:15.959 --> 01:34:16.819
[SPEAKER_04]: I dated bed.

01:34:17.139 --> 01:34:17.919
[SPEAKER_04]: We broke up.

01:34:18.359 --> 01:34:19.080
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm Julie.

01:34:19.460 --> 01:34:21.240
[SPEAKER_04]: I immediately wanted date bed.

01:34:21.580 --> 01:34:22.281
[SPEAKER_04]: We're friends.

01:34:22.381 --> 01:34:24.441
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not, but that's not fucked up.

01:34:24.501 --> 01:34:25.802
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not doing anything wrong.

01:34:25.882 --> 01:34:29.103
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's the exact same thing that you're doing in this time, lied.

01:34:30.246 --> 01:34:32.228
[SPEAKER_04]: that you had, you had an issue with.

01:34:32.649 --> 01:34:39.896
[SPEAKER_04]: So like, I'm, I'm gonna always be that guy on this subway that said the Julie, yo, what's your problem?

01:34:39.956 --> 01:34:41.638
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, of course she would go for better.

01:34:41.718 --> 01:34:44.341
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, like, it makes no sense to me.

01:34:44.421 --> 01:34:46.443
[SPEAKER_04]: She's, she's like a terrible friend.

01:34:46.563 --> 01:34:48.285
[SPEAKER_04]: She's like, she's,

01:34:49.226 --> 01:35:13.177
[SPEAKER_04]: like she's all in Sean's apartment after like you guys were like oh he's Sean would make her so uncomfortable like basically she invited herself to stay at Sean's apartment then she gets uncomfortable because Sean like takes it wrong or whatever then she invites herself to go stay at Felicity's house what you believe Felicity for even though Megan's there so that's fucked

01:35:14.057 --> 01:35:16.498
[SPEAKER_04]: She's terrible, always and forever.

01:35:16.638 --> 01:35:20.239
[SPEAKER_04]: And like I love the pig Grager, but Julie Emerick sucks.

01:35:20.319 --> 01:35:24.820
[SPEAKER_04]: And once again, she doesn't know where dolly would and she's supposed to be a dolly with two colored parents.

01:35:25.240 --> 01:35:30.661
[SPEAKER_02]: I can I can I pause it that the only, and this is only on the girl.

01:35:30.701 --> 01:35:32.422
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not including the guys in this.

01:35:32.822 --> 01:35:36.703
[SPEAKER_02]: The only good friend on this show is making.

01:35:37.763 --> 01:35:41.145
[SPEAKER_02]: The only actually solid friend is Megan.

01:35:41.465 --> 01:35:47.428
[SPEAKER_02]: A lane of maybe comes in second for me, but I do think there are times when she, she's rough as a friend.

01:35:47.528 --> 01:35:56.012
[SPEAKER_02]: She's very, she's very abrasive and maybe that works for some people, but it won't work for everyone in a way where I feel like Megan is like,

01:35:56.972 --> 01:36:00.993
[SPEAKER_02]: like a like hard on the outside, but soft on the inside.

01:36:01.033 --> 01:36:21.157
[SPEAKER_01]: So she does have that ability to tap into that that software side, you know, making has like a skill that I don't think a Lena does is that like she's going to be hard and she can tell you how it is, but she also can read a room and I think that just like she has that like natural empathy sympathy that is just like, oh, it's not a moment for me to like

01:36:22.472 --> 01:36:24.954
[SPEAKER_01]: be overharsher through right now.

01:36:25.074 --> 01:36:34.982
[SPEAKER_01]: It can be handled with kids' gloves in a way, which I think for somebody that's like sensitive, like, Felicity can be like, we need it.

01:36:35.122 --> 01:36:48.053
[SPEAKER_01]: Or like, that's like a friend that I would feel more comfortable with versus Elena, who I think is just like, tell it how it is, overharsher, like, doesn't really have the ability to be like,

01:36:49.413 --> 01:37:01.096
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not in the mood to be like, you know, to be like reprimanded or like she needs to be handled like more delicately.

01:37:01.116 --> 01:37:02.176
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

01:37:02.236 --> 01:37:05.677
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Megan's a great friend.

01:37:05.777 --> 01:37:12.579
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that like, Julie, I think like the stuff, I was like thinking that like it was like the fact that

01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:19.620
[SPEAKER_01]: Julie has led on Sean in either intentionally or unintentionally like a billing in in one time.

01:37:19.660 --> 01:37:34.163
[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe that's like a Sean issue that like that, you know, he should clearly, he knows like when a person, well, I don't know, Megan's like not really a person that like all the time like shows like that she likes somebody, whatever.

01:37:34.663 --> 01:37:38.644
[SPEAKER_01]: I just saying that like I can definitely get on her

01:37:40.016 --> 01:37:42.317
[SPEAKER_01]: Julie's case about like the Sean thing.

01:37:42.757 --> 01:37:51.622
[SPEAKER_01]: And I also think that Julie doesn't always, I don't know because like she like literally asked Felicity like is it okay?

01:37:51.662 --> 01:38:04.589
[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe like we can get on like the fact that like Julie should just automatically assume that it's not okay because it's in X like I guess like we can do that but at least she asked.

01:38:05.289 --> 01:38:06.670
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's it's Ben though.

01:38:07.683 --> 01:38:08.083
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been.

01:38:08.143 --> 01:38:10.284
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's certain people that should be like off limits.

01:38:10.344 --> 01:38:16.828
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think that like if like I don't think I would be going after my friends like greatest love.

01:38:17.028 --> 01:38:21.230
[SPEAKER_01]: Like even if I had feelings for them and they're not working out.

01:38:21.290 --> 01:38:29.495
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like there's definitely people that should be off limits if you are truly a friend.

01:38:30.692 --> 01:38:46.803
[SPEAKER_04]: like like Nolan Ben should probably be off with it, even though no, not really, but uh, but like is she claiming like every, no, but like she could date any of us, she could date what the guy we hate, she could date with it.

01:38:47.763 --> 01:38:49.885
[SPEAKER_01]: She only can date losers.

01:38:50.246 --> 01:38:51.127
[SPEAKER_01]: But what happened?

01:38:51.187 --> 01:38:53.749
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Julie, like this is obviously not the case.

01:38:53.849 --> 01:38:59.155
[SPEAKER_01]: But like what happens if Julie really is like supposed to be with one of the two?

01:38:59.435 --> 01:39:00.035
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the four.

01:39:00.476 --> 01:39:06.382
[SPEAKER_02]: The reason I don't take on bridge with Julie wanting to date Ben is because Felicity is with Nolan at this point.

01:39:06.642 --> 01:39:15.024
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you are literally with another person trying to move in with said person, then you shouldn't have a problem with your with your friend who you're not even really friends with anymore.

01:39:15.044 --> 01:39:16.984
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to stay in your every body.

01:39:17.004 --> 01:39:17.564
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:39:17.684 --> 01:39:17.944
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:39:17.964 --> 01:39:20.225
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a share problem just to come.

01:39:20.265 --> 01:39:27.226
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm like more than halfway through the summer term pretty and I have the same issue with the main character there.

01:39:27.306 --> 01:39:31.267
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you can't be claiming on the boys can't you can't just piss on every boy around.

01:39:31.607 --> 01:39:33.747
[SPEAKER_01]: Like not all the boys belong to you.

01:39:33.947 --> 01:39:36.208
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to give some to Taylor, you know.

01:39:36.768 --> 01:39:37.929
[SPEAKER_04]: are all the boys too.

01:39:39.390 --> 01:39:40.991
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's two boys and there's two.

01:39:41.131 --> 01:39:42.092
[SPEAKER_01]: There's two brothers.

01:39:42.132 --> 01:39:43.053
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a brother.

01:39:43.133 --> 01:39:43.693
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a brother.

01:39:43.934 --> 01:39:45.315
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I'm like, you know what?

01:39:45.635 --> 01:39:51.139
[SPEAKER_01]: Have your friend be with the brother, but the friend doesn't seem very interested in the brother, but they don't want to advocate an issue with the brother, too.

01:39:51.539 --> 01:39:58.044
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is that I am on the third book in that series, and I hate everyone right now, and that's not very good, but it's a short book.

01:39:58.104 --> 01:39:59.425
[SPEAKER_02]: So just a little bit of me.

01:39:59.745 --> 01:40:00.506
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's true.

01:40:00.686 --> 01:40:01.146
[SPEAKER_02]: It really is.

01:40:02.147 --> 01:40:14.770
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and now, a voicemail I've been waiting to listen to are dear friend Todd the librarian has sent in a voicemail that he has told me is a rant on the ending of Felicity.

01:40:14.810 --> 01:40:17.551
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm really excited to listen to this because I haven't listened to it yet.

01:40:17.611 --> 01:40:20.112
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's buckle up folks and hear what Todd has to say.

01:40:21.852 --> 01:40:24.733
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about the Elena of all shall we?

01:40:25.728 --> 01:40:28.130
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, killing off Elena was dumb.

01:40:28.310 --> 01:40:29.751
[SPEAKER_00]: Just plain dumb.

01:40:29.991 --> 01:40:38.116
[SPEAKER_00]: There are so many other ways they could have come up with for Felicity to be withdrawing from Ben to get him to cheat on her if they wanted to go that path.

01:40:38.176 --> 01:40:42.159
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have to kill off one of our main characters.

01:40:42.259 --> 01:40:50.345
[SPEAKER_00]: Great, couldn't kill off someone else that we didn't care about for crying out loud or had some other thing Thorin into this existential

01:40:51.245 --> 01:40:53.427
[SPEAKER_00]: spiral, but no, they had to kill Elena.

01:40:53.547 --> 01:40:55.729
[SPEAKER_00]: Which, okay, even if they do that.

01:40:55.889 --> 01:41:01.433
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they introduce time travel as a way to get Felicity to deal with her problems with Ben.

01:41:01.813 --> 01:41:07.338
[SPEAKER_00]: They should have at least focused on the fact that her friend is alive in more than just like a throwaway.

01:41:07.738 --> 01:41:09.319
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Elena, you're here thing.

01:41:09.379 --> 01:41:18.527
[SPEAKER_00]: And then have Felicity completely ignore her the rest of the time because she's too busy trying to figure out which one or two boy toys she should wind up with.

01:41:19.633 --> 01:41:25.014
[SPEAKER_00]: dumb, just makes a flisty scene like the most self involved person on the face of the planet.

01:41:25.595 --> 01:41:33.056
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, throw us a crum at the end, but like, look, you thought it was a dream, but Elena's axial life, everything's great now.

01:41:33.216 --> 01:41:41.639
[SPEAKER_00]: Except, why did Ben, she, on flisty, then, if Elena never died and flistied in withdrawal because of that, it makes no sense.

01:41:41.699 --> 01:41:42.839
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no actual

01:41:43.659 --> 01:41:56.032
[SPEAKER_00]: Reconciliation of all of this just no reunion between Felicity and Elena other than a little thing, Elena gets zero lines, revived Elena gets zero lines and the finale.

01:41:56.473 --> 01:42:03.640
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I can kind of head canon why Elena is alive because of how the spell worked with

01:42:04.541 --> 01:42:07.522
[SPEAKER_00]: getting Felicity back to the present because it's working with her memories.

01:42:07.902 --> 01:42:16.865
[SPEAKER_00]: So in theory, this new timeline that Felicity's coming back to has been subconsciously shaped by herself, Selena survives.

01:42:17.165 --> 01:42:21.767
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't give that any sort of lip service in the actual episode, instead it's all about

01:42:21.907 --> 01:42:25.048
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to at the future to save no oxy died in this timeline.

01:42:25.308 --> 01:42:30.090
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not in the mention that me going back to the ritual time that means that Elaina will be dead because why would they want to address that?

01:42:30.330 --> 01:42:44.176
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course we find out later they did address that in the deleted scenes with Elina scenes make zero sits make zero sits because of timeline in which Felicity tells Elaina don't go to the school knows already fucking dead.

01:42:44.776 --> 01:42:45.997
[SPEAKER_00]: So it makes no sense.

01:42:46.357 --> 01:42:51.501
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad they cut those things because I'm just infuriating me more, but I saw those things years later.

01:42:51.701 --> 01:42:53.702
[SPEAKER_00]: It just made me matter that I already was.

01:42:54.022 --> 01:42:55.283
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing sucks!

01:42:55.884 --> 01:42:56.384
[SPEAKER_00]: It sucks!

01:42:56.704 --> 01:42:57.625
[SPEAKER_00]: It sucks so much!

01:42:58.485 --> 01:42:59.206
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for your time.

01:43:02.817 --> 01:43:25.032
[SPEAKER_02]: But I remember asking Todd how long after he saw the finale that he saw that those clips that were cut and he said it was like twenty something years and I was like poor Todd truly poor Todd have to sit with that finale not knowing the Elena stuff for twenty twenty.

01:43:25.052 --> 01:43:26.333
[SPEAKER_02]: He lost his mind about it.

01:43:27.161 --> 01:43:28.563
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was great.

01:43:28.583 --> 01:43:33.651
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I love a Todd rant losing it absolutely losing it.

01:43:34.613 --> 01:43:36.055
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's understandable.

01:43:37.057 --> 01:43:37.297
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:43:37.958 --> 01:43:38.178
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:43:39.068 --> 01:43:44.170
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he only discovered the scenes after he said after we started podcasting about Felicity.

01:43:44.230 --> 01:43:45.311
[SPEAKER_02]: So within the past few years.

01:43:45.891 --> 01:43:45.951
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

01:43:46.011 --> 01:43:49.052
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what he's talking about.

01:43:49.213 --> 01:43:53.134
[SPEAKER_02]: This fuck totally fucked.

01:43:53.194 --> 01:44:05.620
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, and I remember like, you know, this was the big thing I think Todd said that when we first started covering Felicity, he was the most excited for us to get to the time travel stuff just because it is so fucking unhinged and like,

01:44:06.240 --> 01:44:09.742
[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't a show that does time travel, so now it's doing time travel.

01:44:11.223 --> 01:44:14.685
[SPEAKER_02]: But we do have one more thing to do, I guess.

01:44:14.745 --> 01:44:19.348
[SPEAKER_02]: Should we give out a point for a character in both of the penultimate and the finale?

01:44:19.368 --> 01:44:21.529
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to do it, right?

01:44:21.549 --> 01:44:21.629
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:44:22.009 --> 01:44:22.910
[SPEAKER_02]: Who to be, Kay?

01:44:22.950 --> 01:44:30.094
[SPEAKER_04]: You, you probably have a strong argument who should get a point in the, in the, in the, in the penultimate, it's like mega, right?

01:44:31.090 --> 01:44:32.651
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think so.

01:44:32.911 --> 01:44:33.972
[SPEAKER_04]: I love what she's doing.

01:44:33.992 --> 01:44:34.952
[SPEAKER_04]: Like a good friend.

01:44:35.453 --> 01:44:41.356
[SPEAKER_04]: She does, it's hilarious what she does to Sean and then like she's giving that in the whole shit for committing publicity.

01:44:41.437 --> 01:44:43.198
[SPEAKER_02]: So and she finds course a cough too.

01:44:43.218 --> 01:44:48.261
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and she finds course a cough and then in the finale it's we why not we end off.

01:44:48.281 --> 01:44:49.462
[SPEAKER_04]: We give publicity the point.

01:44:49.502 --> 01:44:52.984
[SPEAKER_04]: She travels back into like she gets back to the right timeline.

01:44:53.564 --> 01:44:56.505
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, she gets back with them, which people like.

01:44:57.046 --> 01:44:59.347
[SPEAKER_04]: And technically, she saved away in his life.

01:44:59.487 --> 01:45:03.669
[SPEAKER_04]: So like screw all the people that says she selfish and only cares about herself.

01:45:04.729 --> 01:45:05.610
[SPEAKER_04]: That's my argument.

01:45:07.765 --> 01:45:11.867
[SPEAKER_04]: I know you don't want to give it to Felicity, so but I mean, who else can you give it to it to clips?

01:45:11.927 --> 01:45:13.147
[SPEAKER_02]: Elena for living.

01:45:13.167 --> 01:45:15.548
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

01:45:16.009 --> 01:45:16.749
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?

01:45:16.769 --> 01:45:19.870
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to give it to Felicity.

01:45:19.890 --> 01:45:21.791
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to give it to some random.

01:45:21.831 --> 01:45:23.371
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to give it to Felicity.

01:45:23.391 --> 01:45:25.232
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, fine.

01:45:25.272 --> 01:45:27.633
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to give it to her either, but you know, whatever.

01:45:27.773 --> 01:45:30.154
[SPEAKER_02]: At least we got to see some clips where she had pretty hair.

01:45:30.374 --> 01:45:32.355
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's that, I guess.

01:45:33.175 --> 01:45:36.777
[SPEAKER_02]: Her hair looked good in the original, the very, very, very first scene of the show.

01:45:37.237 --> 01:45:40.378
[SPEAKER_04]: She even said you guys care way too much about it in the show.

01:45:41.218 --> 01:45:42.358
[SPEAKER_04]: Everyone had an opinion.

01:45:42.698 --> 01:45:43.298
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, her hair.

01:45:43.358 --> 01:45:43.618
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:45:43.658 --> 01:45:44.318
[SPEAKER_04]: About your hair.

01:45:44.338 --> 01:45:45.758
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, yeah, about that too.

01:45:45.778 --> 01:45:46.659
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:45:47.019 --> 01:45:47.259
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:45:47.479 --> 01:45:47.959
[SPEAKER_02]: So funny.

01:45:48.979 --> 01:45:49.579
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, great.

01:45:49.619 --> 01:45:55.580
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll go through the, we'll tell you those points next next podcast in our series wrap up.

01:45:55.620 --> 01:46:00.661
[SPEAKER_02]: We have one more podcast to go where we're going to talk all through all four seasons.

01:46:00.701 --> 01:46:04.322
[SPEAKER_02]: What we loved, what we hated the highs, the lows, everything in between.

01:46:06.382 --> 01:46:07.923
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll do on part to you, GBK.

01:46:08.023 --> 01:46:15.587
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, after I watched that finale, GBK, I was like, I don't know whether to condemn you or thank you for this experience.

01:46:17.288 --> 01:46:20.609
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't enjoy the first two and a half seasons probably.

01:46:21.690 --> 01:46:23.551
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have that going for us.

01:46:23.951 --> 01:46:25.612
[SPEAKER_04]: I apologize for season four.

01:46:27.713 --> 01:46:29.814
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I didn't think it was this bad.

01:46:29.934 --> 01:46:33.576
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'd ever, but yeah, it's not as season four is not good.

01:46:33.596 --> 01:46:38.978
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the first three season they're five, but yeah, it does, I feel like it does go down after season two.

01:46:39.098 --> 01:46:49.984
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel, I feel like, yeah, what weirdly when the color palette changes, like that's like a really big thing for me, because she's like really like where doesn't wear bright stuff in the first, like season that all.

01:46:50.024 --> 01:46:54.986
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like very, very, like I don't know when it's not shot on a potato, I feel like.

01:46:55.006 --> 01:46:55.686
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:46:56.186 --> 01:46:56.747
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like,

01:46:57.920 --> 01:46:59.084
[SPEAKER_01]: We lose some of it.

01:46:59.144 --> 01:46:59.545
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:46:59.605 --> 01:47:00.929
[SPEAKER_01]: Sarah loves the good.

01:47:01.531 --> 01:47:02.895
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe that's it for me.

01:47:03.537 --> 01:47:04.439
[SPEAKER_01]: But then I can tell.

01:47:05.820 --> 01:47:08.202
[SPEAKER_04]: I would like to thank you guys for covering this show.

01:47:08.222 --> 01:47:17.670
[SPEAKER_04]: If it makes you happy, Jess, there was a lot of times I'm like listening to you and I'm just infuriated by like some of the things things you say.

01:47:17.950 --> 01:47:22.534
[SPEAKER_04]: Like our IP to my cat that I lost this year, I'm so happy.

01:47:22.794 --> 01:47:27.278
[SPEAKER_04]: She didn't have to hear all the mean things you said about her name.

01:47:27.338 --> 01:47:28.659
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm casting right now.

01:47:28.759 --> 01:47:29.800
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's okay.

01:47:29.840 --> 01:47:31.562
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the name of the cat you're casting?

01:47:31.942 --> 01:47:33.963
[SPEAKER_04]: Kobe, he's on the Kobe.

01:47:34.223 --> 01:47:36.024
[SPEAKER_02]: She wants to Kobe.

01:47:36.704 --> 01:47:43.187
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I would like to ask some questions for the finale for people like way smarter than me.

01:47:43.907 --> 01:47:45.428
[SPEAKER_04]: My like biggest question.

01:47:45.488 --> 01:47:49.630
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's like some things that really bothered you guys that like I've never had an issue with.

01:47:49.650 --> 01:47:50.570
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm just like curious.

01:47:50.630 --> 01:47:52.431
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like I'm the only one.

01:47:52.451 --> 01:47:55.012
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's just being a doctor like that.

01:47:56.170 --> 01:48:01.394
[SPEAKER_04]: like never bothered me, like how upset you guys were that like, and it was the wish.

01:48:01.434 --> 01:48:07.259
[SPEAKER_04]: So I would like to know if that like is because I've watched this show, so I'm like, it never even rented.

01:48:07.620 --> 01:48:13.405
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of our like our consolidation price of like what if she was like an art therapist or something?

01:48:14.223 --> 01:48:14.904
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of that?

01:48:14.924 --> 01:48:15.665
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a trap.

01:48:15.845 --> 01:48:22.773
[SPEAKER_04]: It's fine, but like full of Felicity's like a dot like, and it's to me, it makes so much sense that she's like a doctor like it doesn't make it for me.

01:48:22.793 --> 01:48:32.004
[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't make sense for her to do something and like art because she's like, I guess she isn't like, I do viewer as an artist, but like I don't like Felicity's a doctor.

01:48:32.745 --> 01:48:35.948
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I'm curious about if people like Sean and Megan.

01:48:36.468 --> 01:48:42.653
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I'm also curious if like everyone else hates like Sally because they'll always be funny to me.

01:48:48.809 --> 01:48:52.392
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I forgot that we didn't, we didn't even get to meet Sally.

01:48:52.432 --> 01:48:53.473
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the deal with Sally?

01:48:53.513 --> 01:48:55.974
[SPEAKER_01]: I still don't know.

01:48:56.054 --> 01:48:56.755
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:48:56.995 --> 01:48:59.797
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think that she was a fake man in Felicia's investigation.

01:49:00.198 --> 01:49:00.978
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, everybody.

01:49:00.998 --> 01:49:02.459
[SPEAKER_02]: So send us in your feedback.

01:49:02.499 --> 01:49:06.162
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't forget, Shenani's product, email.com, or Shenani's pod.com.

01:49:06.242 --> 01:49:08.023
[SPEAKER_02]: Does Felicia being a doctor work for you?

01:49:08.464 --> 01:49:09.925
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you feel about Megan and Sean?

01:49:10.685 --> 01:49:12.587
[SPEAKER_02]: And how do you feel about Sally?

01:49:12.607 --> 01:49:14.168
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you hate Sally as much as Sarah?

01:49:15.649 --> 01:49:16.450
[UNKNOWN]: That's great.

01:49:18.712 --> 01:49:19.453
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's so funny.

01:49:20.314 --> 01:49:21.355
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything else, DBK?

01:49:21.415 --> 01:49:26.222
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything else you want to get off your chest about the show, about us, about the podcast, about anything.

01:49:26.870 --> 01:49:28.131
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I love the podcast.

01:49:28.171 --> 01:49:29.391
[SPEAKER_04]: You guys are one of my favorites.

01:49:29.511 --> 01:49:33.633
[SPEAKER_04]: Once again, thank you for covering, probably my favorite show.

01:49:33.954 --> 01:49:45.820
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I've, I watched this entire show before he started covering it, just have like my own note, like, I'll watch this again, just because like of how meanly you talked about fluency, it's season four.

01:49:45.860 --> 01:49:49.101
[SPEAKER_04]: I got to watch season one and two to get the stink off.

01:49:49.642 --> 01:49:49.882
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:49:50.362 --> 01:49:52.644
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, just I really appreciate it.

01:49:52.744 --> 01:49:58.610
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, thank you for like letting me come on because I'm just some random dude that you guys don't know.

01:49:58.730 --> 01:49:59.911
[SPEAKER_04]: So you're a friend.

01:49:59.991 --> 01:50:01.112
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, now we know you.

01:50:01.292 --> 01:50:04.816
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, but still like thank you for letting me on your podcast.

01:50:05.557 --> 01:50:07.819
[SPEAKER_04]: I love, you know, like everything you guys do.

01:50:07.859 --> 01:50:10.922
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, yeah, so just to really appreciate it.

01:50:11.082 --> 01:50:13.864
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I think that's oh, and then just

01:50:15.465 --> 01:50:28.453
[SPEAKER_04]: which like of the random care for next one, which random character would if you liked to be like more of a thing on the show because that's like for me season one and two, I think that's

01:50:29.596 --> 01:50:32.298
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I feel like you're of your critiques.

01:50:32.358 --> 01:50:36.561
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the show could never really find handle the B plot.

01:50:36.621 --> 01:50:41.964
[SPEAKER_04]: They were always good with the A plot, but maybe the B because the B plot was always like kind of stupid or comedy maybe.

01:50:42.865 --> 01:50:57.634
[SPEAKER_04]: But I feel like the good of the show is when like we had the like random guys in the building and res and like the lady know the the Russian chick that no goes to the vending machine.

01:50:59.937 --> 01:51:10.010
[SPEAKER_04]: So like I really like the charm of the show when we just have these like the the black array the array with the crazy hair about the alphabet like

01:51:11.027 --> 01:51:11.767
[SPEAKER_04]: I really like that.

01:51:11.827 --> 01:51:13.087
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it could be a defore.

01:51:13.127 --> 01:51:15.688
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like someone actually had a story arc for Sarah.

01:51:15.728 --> 01:51:18.008
[SPEAKER_04]: We obviously know it's going to be avery.

01:51:18.028 --> 01:51:20.729
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love that crazy bed.

01:51:20.949 --> 01:51:21.849
[SPEAKER_04]: But like you know what I mean?

01:51:21.869 --> 01:51:32.311
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I really love the show when it just has these like random weird characters that are just showing up like Gilmore girls lady at the protest.

01:51:32.431 --> 01:51:34.592
[SPEAKER_04]: That was like a friend for two episodes.

01:51:35.092 --> 01:51:35.292
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:51:36.033 --> 01:51:38.078
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's the charm of the show to me.

01:51:38.158 --> 01:51:42.308
[SPEAKER_04]: I love Monica showing up and she's a friend for an episode.

01:51:44.596 --> 01:51:47.758
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I am interested if I can like manage.

01:51:47.818 --> 01:51:49.039
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a short season, right?

01:51:49.059 --> 01:51:53.181
[SPEAKER_01]: To rewatch season one, especially since I was like one.

01:51:53.202 --> 01:51:55.463
[SPEAKER_01]: One, two episodes.

01:51:55.483 --> 01:51:57.764
[SPEAKER_01]: You're thinking of Buffy was the short enough.

01:51:57.864 --> 01:52:02.728
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just gonna watch the first ten episodes of season one.

01:52:02.768 --> 01:52:13.174
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious if like on a rewatch, especially with like all the context if I would feel differently about season one because I was grumpy about it at the time.

01:52:15.756 --> 01:52:21.821
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you, D.B.K., and everything that, you know, are journey together in our friendship and your support.

01:52:21.901 --> 01:52:27.806
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, thank you, thank you, as well as, like, with everybody that's been on this journey in our previous journeys.

01:52:28.546 --> 01:52:37.133
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and hopefully, anyone who has listened to us cover Felicity is also listening to us cover Buffy, which we're still doing.

01:52:37.234 --> 01:52:38.855
[SPEAKER_02]: We just finished season four.

01:52:38.895 --> 01:52:43.659
[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing our season four wrap-up of Buffy, coincidentally, as coincided with Felicity ending.

01:52:44.640 --> 01:52:51.486
[SPEAKER_02]: And for those of you wondering what we're doing in the future, we are most certainly taking the rest of the summer to just focus on Buffy.

01:52:52.287 --> 01:52:56.230
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we both have pretty busy, personal lives, we want to be able to do some stuff there.

01:52:57.111 --> 01:53:00.915
[SPEAKER_02]: But we probably are going to be doing some bonus content.

01:53:01.435 --> 01:53:06.697
[SPEAKER_02]: after the summer, because we really have fallen off of that, our lives got busy and we've already been covering two shows.

01:53:07.117 --> 01:53:16.000
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you have recommendations, bonus stuff you want us to cover movies, whatever, set in those inch and on these prodigymail.com, and we'll take a look and we will, we'll get you posted.

01:53:16.040 --> 01:53:21.642
[SPEAKER_02]: We're always popping around and if you really want to hear us talk, listen to Buffy, because that's what we're going to be focusing on.

01:53:22.822 --> 01:53:27.724
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, we will be back next week to wrap up everything with Felicity.

01:53:27.744 --> 01:53:28.804
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you have any thoughts

01:53:29.264 --> 01:53:30.545
[SPEAKER_02]: on your experiences with publicity.

01:53:30.585 --> 01:53:31.606
[SPEAKER_02]: Make sure you send those in.

01:53:32.206 --> 01:53:34.968
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think that's that's everything we've got.

01:53:35.288 --> 01:53:38.370
[SPEAKER_02]: So until next time everyone have a good one.

01:53:38.750 --> 01:53:39.211
[SPEAKER_02]: Goodbye.