Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 6 Episode 10 - Wrecked

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before Just be how never ended with those All you need is a door Searching for something to put a smile back on your face Just remembering unusual times I can come from one unusual place

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[SPEAKER_04]: I need a partner for a ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word and I'll be there Just ask

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's 20, 20 That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's 19, 19 There's a need to pretend I got a hand I can land Because when you really need a friend Just ask

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[SPEAKER_05]: Shit 90's show's taught me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Shit 90's show's taught me was not filmed before live studio audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready to slay another day?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So are we.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Shit 90's show's taught me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just darling here with my co-host.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sarah Humphrey, Sarah, how are you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jess, I'm ready to get high off the magic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As much magic as I can have to feel elated and out of this world, the better, I want to be feeling on the top of the ceiling based on how much magic I've consumed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want your pupils to be fully dilated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 100% dilated from the magics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Magics, late magics, party tricks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All the all the record magics, racket, magics, um, record Ralph, magics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I literally kept thinking they were going to call him record Ralph.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's rack, but like this episode is called

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, wreck it, wreck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: record rack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I just want to warn people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you thought I hated willow prior to this episode, who baby, we have reached a new level of loathing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to get into all of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to talk about kind of the buffet and spike fallout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about wrecked, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I really, I don't know why I want to start here, but we need to talk

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what is going on, who allowed her to go platinum blonde?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't appreciate this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a slap in our face, Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is happening?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's very unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad that you brought this up, because this is critical to our coverage of this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What other Buffy podcast out there is focusing so deeply?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would hope nobody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the thing is, is that Ania, Emma Cawfields,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is so pretty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so, so, so pretty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that Emma Coffeeld and I'm sorry to see this as a girl that's been blonde her entire life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she looks better at Brown here when we first met her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that she looks so good now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From my knowledge, I think she's still a blonde.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I believe, friend of the podcast, Tyler Librarian, had said that she is currently blonde.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to offend her, but I believe in my heart of hearts that the best I've seen her is with her original brown hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know it's because like I knew her and that's why I met her or what it is, but I loved her brown hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However,

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[SPEAKER_00]: darker bond hair was okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the issue is is the root situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is very much like 90s early 2000s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot have a root.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is forbidden to have a root if you do you're disgusting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever read or seen the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The house made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, no, that's new, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The movies know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Sydney, Swini, and Amanda, say free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I have not seen this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have not read the book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard decent things about the book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have not known nothing about if the movie was where we're seeing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is like a whole thing about like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the hair roots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I bring it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to like spoil anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll skip it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a point in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I am I have not gotten my hair done in nine months and my roots are showing and it is fortunate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I do ballyage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's what Emma Coughfield needs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she's going to go

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was your perspective about this situation?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's too cool-toned for her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's too light.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, again, like you said, she's beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She could pull off on Ms. Denny thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just was very stark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, this is too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's too unnatural looking, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, like in a way, because I'm not saying like go funky, you know, you want to dye your her purple blue green whatever, like do it, but like this was like a, I'm going to dye my hair platinum blonde, but I wanted to look like it's normal, but it like definitely doesn't look normal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some pretty nice shoe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Be silent color.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Please, this is a classic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to curl my hair, but not brush out the curls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And once again, it's too structured of a curl for you do this in the early 2000s like we didn't brush out the curls because you spend all that time you have curly hair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is you don't want to brush out my curls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my hair will reach Jesus up in the sky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like absolutely not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Straight-haired girls or like I have some natural texture to my hair, but I have straight hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have curly hair like you do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so when I curl my hair, so it doesn't look so PC because like you can count the curl chunks in on his hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I brush it out so that it looks more unified and it looks better that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we didn't do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: she could finger combed them, like, she is, yeah, she looks like she went in with the curling iron, probably not curling long because I don't think those existed then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And curled the ever loving shit out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it, because it looks damaged because how platinum she went.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like dry and like, I just hate it and I feel bad hating it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: it like really was like a smack in the face when she came on screen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, hold my god, what is happening?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an issue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when I was in high school and in my early late teens, early twenties, I mean, it's such a bad term now, but the outdated term from the 2000s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was blonde or Xia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was I've never heard that before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is this mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that mean you're going to blonde?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you can't be blonde enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're just going your blonde blonde.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You keep dying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can bleach and bleaching and bleaching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but I want to be blander and then you die it blander and they are like, oh, I want to be blander.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I fear like this is, uh, Ania's ailment is that she has a case of, and once again, it's not politically correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very rude, but an old case of quote unquote, blander, Xia, when

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[SPEAKER_01]: She needs to put the bleach down, just set the bottle down, girly pop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can't stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had this problem too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand, like I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I could not be, it's like, when you can't put down the sun in and you can't put down the bleach, it's a big problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that whatever blonde she is now, it's better suited for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was so want to Google, but I'm not going to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, yeah, we shouldn't Google, but I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's too, it's too platinum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she looks better with more of like a honey warmer tone to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I think she looked really good when we first met her as a brunette.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would do like a blonde on her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she wants to be light and doesn't want to be dark, then I would do like a blonde brown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and that's kind of, I'm actually like considering that for post-birth is like going back closer to my room and like, I like it, but I also don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what I'm going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw someone the other day not to get sidetracked immediately, but um, over boys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's they're listening to two women podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what you deal with sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm don't take your answer sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On the boys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I am a YouTuber.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I follow the other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She got her hair done and it was so freaking cute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do color in my hair because I'm a lazy pants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like I get my haircut once every six to eight months if that last time I went a full year, didn't even mean to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't keep up with the maintenance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that girl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But she got these like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what to call it, but it was like a pinkish sort of hue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's maybe how I would freeze it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they were like undertones overtones, whatever the wording is for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like basically, so when she's in the sun, there's like the subtle like rosy hue to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, that is gorgeous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just looked fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was so envious, but again, I made Lisa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: her base colors like a light brown kind of like mine, but maybe a little lighter actually probably lighter than my hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to say your hair is kind of dark so it's also winter and I don't see the sun anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Side, if you were a winter, did you ever like figure that out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you said I was so winter, but I don't know that I ever landed on anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know winter is like apparently pretty rare, so even if I call you a winter, you might not

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[SPEAKER_01]: interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say I went to the dermatologist today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't I should have asked him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I suppose I should have asked what am I?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he would know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he did comment on the very slight rosacea that I have on my cheeks that I've had for my entire life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, oh, you normally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, yeah, I've always had that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not gotten worse or better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like my cheeks are always red.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My mom always said I never needed blush.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I have my wish to and my dermatologist gave me a prescription for it and the thing is is that the prescription is a cream that you put on and it doesn't go away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just masks it so she gave you foundation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's foundation to cover up your red cheeks bitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a medication and it goes away, but interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to be temporary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The effects.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't like permanently solve it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, then who gives a fuck?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just...

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if I have rosacea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is it matter?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because...

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[SPEAKER_00]: that's the other thing because you can if you're trying to get rid of the redness then just get a green-based concealer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then even a, I think the last time you're from ninth grade art class.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I also think like, I don't know if you have this with your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the rosacean, not as far as this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a whole shit of shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can also get little pimples in like the corners of your nose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he mentioned that as like a possible thing, but I don't really I don't get that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what I get, especially.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the summer when I get hot, like I get a lot of pimps inside my nose and I think like the cream could help that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but he did mention some, I forget the term for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Something on my arms, like slight little bumpies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exima.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, not exima, because I know that word.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chicken scrubs, chicken skin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he called it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Either way, it doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a clean bill of health baby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all set.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, anyway, not that anyone else cares in the entire world, but there's your update on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Angus Hair is a tragedy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Angus Hair is a tragedy and so is my raging psoriasis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, where do we want to begin because obviously we'll have to talk about the willow of it all and the dawn and willow excursion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we should start with just the remainder of the scoobies because they have a tiny part in this episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Make, well, the remainder of the scoobies, then we'll go to Buffy and Spike and make everybody wait for the willow stuff so that good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're trying to research because they still haven't figured out the loser trio that is happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they're quote unquote researching and by researching, I mean, Zander is kind of sort of researching and onus wedding planning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm obsessed with this for her because Sarah, I don't know about you, but back in our day when we were like teen girlies,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got like wedding magazines like that was how you like planned things like probably not now like there's probably apps for all of this shit, but like they were wedding books and wedding magazines and I it just like it like tickled me a little bit just to see someone like hiding a magazine behind a book, you know, yeah, well, so I was very influenced by Monica Gellers wedding binder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and around the age that like on it is I was in a relationship and I was like, we were not engaged.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We weren't even close to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, but I was like, I want to make a wedding binder and I made like a full wedding binder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely took pictures from like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pinterest if that was a thing by then yeah, I probably took pictures from Tumblr honestly and I got wedding magazines and I was like cutting stuff out I wish that had access to that way in binder after my first breakup with that man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I threw it out, but it would have been so embarrassing to see what I was into and the year if we want to put it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on a calendar or a timeline was 20.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 11, 2012.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe 2010.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the two-year shit, the most, yeah, full-chevron, probably, like, yes, turquoise and orange.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was just going to say turquoise was like the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone has side bangs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I'll probably shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't, I'm not positive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember exactly what I chose back in that wedding binder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just such a like

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[SPEAKER_00]: once again, so influenced by Monica Gallers, like wedding binder, and I, yeah, I loved that shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just, I was, I don't know if I was always the girl that day dreamed about her wedding, but I definitely, when it came to me actually gang married, I didn't have a big wedding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't either for different reasons because of COVID, but I definitely have like a particular vision

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[SPEAKER_00]: have like particular visions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And oftentimes, I get very frustrated if I can't achieve it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love for Ania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Aside from Ania's hate of bunnies, she and I are usually on the same page about a lot of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when a planning is one, and I would totally be in the situation of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like you do whatever I'm going to be wedding planning right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she says one of my like my one of my favorite clips from this scene is Martha Stewart isn't a demon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a witch like obviously, obviously, I can't decide whether to put my bridesmaids and cocktail dresses or the traditional burlap with blood larva.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and she's like, hey, I want to do part of something of part of my culture as well, like I want to, you know, have a little bit of me in this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like such like a funny quirky throw away, throw away line of like, oh, this was on his demon culture and she wants to bring this in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, in this interaction with on your Zander and Buffy working, this is at the point where Willow is sleeping, she had an all nighter and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy is defending Willow quite a lot to Zander and Ania, who are basically saying she's definitely going overboard with this magic thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's why her interior broke up, like it doesn't seem like Willow is in the best place right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Buffy defends her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It very much seems like they are hitting us over the head with the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy feels so guilty and shameful about what's going on with Spike, that she is like, people make mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're really like really going overboard on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She says like, oh, what if she crossed the line, we all do stuff stupid stuff then we learn, and we don't do it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So who are we to get all judgey?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like it was a little heavy handed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a lot that was heavy handed about this episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of them where

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, obviously, see Buffy and Willow talk later and the very, very end of the episode about everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just like, girl, like, this just is so different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you having sex with Spike and Willow going way too far into magic, like, do not feel related.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think there's like a couple things happening here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's,

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's displaying her trust in Willow and it's an interesting comparison from the beginning of the episode to the end when Willow puts her sister in jeopardy and the trust is lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, she's trying to be a good friend, you know, she like I said trust Willow, she is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: taking Willow side in the breakup, she is doing everything that I think a friend would do and also she's not realizing like Ania and Zander is that there is a problem yet and I don't necessarily blame Buffy for that because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, I think Buffy is sometimes a little self centered because I think like when she has the energy to care about something she takes the opportunity to actually be selfish for once, which is great, but I don't really think that she has the capacity to pay attention to what her friends are doing a lot of the times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there's a lot, there's a lot going on here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess where I land is like with Tara moving out, and Buffy knowing about the breakup and knowing vaguely that it has something to do with Willow using magic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, Buffy has a lot going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not trying to judge her or say she should or shouldn't be doing X, Y, and C, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: your younger sibling who you are responsible for is living with you and the only other person in this house is Willow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so like Willow's mental state, Willow's like stability,

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[SPEAKER_01]: should be something that is like very important to you, not just because Willow is your best friend, but also because she's helping you take care of your younger sister.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like on a night where you're fucking spike and not paying attention to what time it is, you're thinking Willow is going to be home with your sister.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is not in the day and age of cell phones where you could be like, hey girl, sorry, I got hung up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you cool to watch Don tonight?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, it just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: feels like Buffy is losing a grip on things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, Willow is losing a grip on things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really just unfortunate timing that like the other person, the only person seemingly picking up the pieces is Tara in this situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not her responsibility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she's not responsible for Dawn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess I just wish that Buffy was taking Zander

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[SPEAKER_01]: judgeiness for lack of a better term, more to heart because it's so deeply impacts on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think, listen, after what happened this episode, I do not think Buffy is like going to be, no, taking that for granted ever again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And with what happens, but it is unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it just comes down to she has a lot of trust in Willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Willow is her oldest friend of the bunch besides Zander, but we both know that like Willow is her best friend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that sometimes you have like a blind spot for your best friend and you it's your natural instincts to defend them from other people when they say something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that once trust is lost, especially for Buffy, your foot, however she still brought Willow in back into her house and listened to her cry at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am so curious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, about how she reads this whole situation, because like, but he's not in idiot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that later, but, um, yeah, it's so interesting because is the trust loss that she believes will though that she's actually going to stop using magic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I don't want to say I personally don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because she's lying so many times about this now and like not that buffy necessarily knows that right like she doesn't seemingly doesn't know of all of the like fall out from the terror breakup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the thing like and like well, I mean, it's so juicy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get into it, but we can't because we want people to say, but I think that buffy is in the position of

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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't see the full picture and she is in the prime spot to believe what Willow is going to spew to her and she's going to believe her that she's going to stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an addiction thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So or this is what we're kind of classifying this as.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So buffies in the position of like the friend that is like, I believe you're going to get clean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then

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[SPEAKER_00]: flash forward a year where she gets duped like six times by the front over and over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's finally like, man, I can't do this anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I can't believe you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I don't believe that's kind of where Buffy is how up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but, um, maybe I mean, I'm not quite sure because I don't believe that Willow is going to stop using magic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that in a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's interesting that Zander and Ony are like clocking this, um, because I think Zander, like spike has such a good third party perspective on these people, especially somehow willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even understand why or how, but he brought this to Zander's attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that Zander

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's just because like Xander has like a job now and he's on school and he's like engaged.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's feeling him and Ania are feeling more and more like like the adults in the group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're kind of like that in your friend group, there's like this like old married couple that was like, oh yes, these silly little fools like you just have to let them play it out like they're

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're like old couple that like looks at the friend group is like oh these people are just going to make their silly little mistakes like I think they also have just the least amount going on like they're wedding planning don't give me wrong like they have a lot going on, but it's like Buffy came back from the dead and is dealing with all the spikes stuff and is now trying to take care of Don like she is and she's slaying like there's a lot happening in her life where as I think Xander and on yet don't have all that

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[SPEAKER_01]: extra bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're able to kind of see what's going on more clearly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like as, okay, this is like so bad, but like as a person in a married couple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How much do you talk about other couples or your friends?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And be like, yeah, like, this is going on and they don't see it yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do know what you mean about like your friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely would say like, yeah, I mean, obviously I gossip with my own husband.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a Libra, like duh, like we gossip, but he loves gossip, but, um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we, there really haven't been many instances of us being like, this couple is not going to work out and they just don't know it yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, thankfully I don't have that situation like a lot in a lot of my friendships.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, we've definitely come away from parties interactions with people and been like, now it's time to shit talk, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, obviously it's like the bedtime talk, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like the best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, like, I, this person's like going through something and like, I, I just like, yeah, it's, I, and I do the thing, it's not necessarily shit talk, but it's just like, you, it's like on the drive home, you're right or in bed, you, you like think about this stuff and you talk about like your partner and it's kind of like, I bet they're doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I bet like they go home and they're like, yeah, they like are analyzing stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like kind of like something you do when you're,

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[SPEAKER_00]: in a relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's pretty much all they have going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They still haven't figured out what the deal is with the trio of losers, the loser trio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about Buffy and Spike because we pick up with them immediately after like the morning after they have sex.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Scratch and everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody has scratches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is banged the fuck up and he did it like four times they said here's the thing and I hate to be this person but he's starting to get on my nerves like she really is and the problem that I'm having is that I can't and I think this is more of like a I'm not into this sort of like trope thing where

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to hate spike hate spike, if you're going to love him and want to fuck him, do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have all things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it frustrates me when she just like smacks him and insults him and calls him convenient.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then 10 minutes later, she'll show up on his four step needing his help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's really, it's starting to get annoying to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't blame spike for basically being like, listen,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Dirk, but you're the one who wants to roll around in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we've had sex now, which means the basically like the, she doesn't have the upper hand anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was like the grovelling, Scorpio Venus, who loves Buffy, and just wants to like, you know, lick her shoes, and now that she's fucked him four times, and apparently in a real nasty fucking session, like they did nasty shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, she's lost the upper hand to spike and I don't blame him for being like, like saying some of the shit he says to her, you know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you at in this situation?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I know we definitely ended last podcast on different pages with everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it just makes me feel like if anybody is telling me that this is the OTP, it's like I just can't take you seriously, right, however, like be toxic assholes to each other and I guess we'll go there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that it's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a fun watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just am not buying yet the these two are meant to be together like in what galaxy right like in what galaxy do couple start off this toxic and then make a full circle moment or like a maybe on full circle maybe a 180 a half circle that's like the the circle amount.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like work out and like become like stable people with one another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand the passion element, but like how can anybody be like, yes, this is like the best couple ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, best couple of other, like once again, Monica and Chandler, one of the best TV couples ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what time and place were those two toxic assholes to each other?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why even though the show was about Ross and Rachel, Chandler and Monica are the better couple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the...

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[SPEAKER_01]: because like we could do enemies to lovers that works, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like an enemies to lovers story does can, can work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then we go back to enemies every other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's my problem, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if we're gonna do this, if you're gonna have me, well, if you want me to root for this couple, if you want this to be your OTP, I don't know that they do by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they want that, if they want this to be the OTP, then you've got to cut out the bullshit very soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We cannot do this for much longer because it is ruining the couple for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it is, when we're having like, again, now spike has the upper hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's back to being a little smart me, a little like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: he gets to say like shoot off at the mouth, whatever he wants to say, he like holds her panties in her face and basically calls her a slut and you know, all this other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It can't go on like this for much longer because I really- oh, this is my- this goes back to what I said about like the whole will of situation of like if she wants to be if she's going to be a villain half or go all in on being a villain and revel in it don't play don't half measure it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel very similarly about this couple like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy, if you're gonna fuck him, just go fuck him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like go fuck him and have fun doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't then be like, hey, myself, and I hate spike, and I'll never do it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But oh, they're spike, and I'm gonna make out with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just, it really gets under my skin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it is, yes, defensive of spike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this what it's happening?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you just annoyed with Buffy for being wishy-washy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm annoyed with Buffy for being wishy-washy because you know me like I really can't stand a wishy-washy character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like people who are decisive and can make a decision like pick a lane and go for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not like I don't really feel bad for Spike.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if he wanted to just be like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, he could.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He could just say, I'm not going to help you go find Dawn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He loves Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's willing to kind of take a little bit of her abuse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now that they slept together, he's going to throw up use back at her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just like I don't like the back and forth and so I'm going to need her to pick a lane soon because it's ruining the ship for me like go have fucking crazy sex everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like if that's what you want to do by all means, but there's only so much I can take and like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it just me or did you feel like getting we got like an excessive amount of shirtless spike this episode like there are many times where he is shirtless that they're doing the thing we're like we're seeing the side of his like leg but area like

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[SPEAKER_01]: fair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just fan fair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not that's what I was thinking to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm attracted to attracted to this man at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I don't give a shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of people are and I think that they listen to their fans and especially because they're on a different network now, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like they can be a little bit loosey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they listened to their fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a well-recepted character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people found him attractive and they're going to play up for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and I like the character a spike a lot, but I don't think he's hot and I don't want to fuck him and I don't care to see him shirtless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does nothing for me at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but it probably does for a lot of people and I love that for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so like there's a difference between like, I want to see these two hook up and I want to see these two in a relationship and like in what galaxy do you see these two going to the evening farmers market.

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[SPEAKER_00]: vegetables.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see that for Buffy at all, like I do not just that I don't see that with Spike, I just I don't think she's a farmer's market on a Saturday kind of girl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I actually, I could, that's the thing is I think Buffy lives a life of adventure and I can see her doing those things with spike.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I could see them having fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see him being extremely loyal to her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He already is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they both have issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Her communication, him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's pretty abusive towards anybody he's ever been with, not to mention the fact that he doesn't have a soul, but I just think like again, I don't know what the show wants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say out of curiosity because we've talked about this very recently and it's just been percolating in my mind of like what are the best television kisses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had found a YouTube video and I was like, I'm curious to see how many I would agree with like on this list, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm watching the video and interestingly enough, the pick for Buffy was Angel, was an Angel Kiss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the first...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kiss, I think they ever have in her bedroom before he gets like vampires, it was bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, it was a good kiss because we did not realize that he was a vampire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when they kissed and he turned into a vampire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was shocking, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember, and I don't recall, I can't visualize it at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like he jumped out the window afterwards, that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that I just remember being like, wow, like, Sarah Michelle Geller really can't kiss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that is like, I do think part of it was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the factor of like then he's a vampire and the reveal of that like that was another reason they picked that moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just interesting, especially knowing that when we had Tom on, we were talking about like, what do people shift?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like who are people's like if we're looking at Dawson's Creek, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're which by the way did get P.C.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Joey representation on that list, which I was very happy about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which kiss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The kiss where he like kisses her for the first time when they're pulled over on the side of the road, adore that kiss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a good one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if it's like if we're talking in those terms, it's like, okay, our people, banjo stands, our people, spuffy, stand, like, where do people land on like the ultimate ship for them?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like the fact that Angel has been gone for so long and like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's so moody I just I never saw it for me as like OTP you know I mean they're not clearly like they're not specifically because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, they're on two separate shows to know the separate networks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're not OTP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't imagine Buffy ending up with really any of these schools.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't see it either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I just like, it's, but I know like people were obsessed with the bangle of it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we were not, like, I think that I think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: um, I tried the first season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And after the Angela's of it all, I was just like, all right, go spin off now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ta-ta, goodbye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, um, adios, um, I do think I'm more into the spike and buffy relationship than I am, the bangle relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had to choose between the two, but I still don't think that these two are

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[SPEAKER_00]: good together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I'm great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And always just so confused why I'm always being pushed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the best couple ever besides the fact that there's passion and it's hot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, of course, we have a season and a half left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There could be a lot of progress.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But these, and I've said forever, these two are hardly toxic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have been the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buffy shouldn't be in a relationship anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Spike is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Such a problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do feel bad for him all the time, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said that you don't feel bad for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad for him all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just see him as like a little sad puppy and Yeah, real problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think like he's had like hundreds of years to like

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[SPEAKER_00]: learn, but he doesn't have a soul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of a monster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's more so that like I think I really do think if we're making comparisons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think there is something to like buffie and is buffie an angel is Dawson and Joey and buffie and spike is like Pacy and Joey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a perfect matchup, but it's like banjo is like the OG.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the one that like people loved when it happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then it's like, oh, but we noticed the chemistry between these other two people and Buffy and Spike and Dawson and Ernst Hitting, Joey and Pacy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We noticed that we wanted to interrogate that a bit or both like beloved characters like fan favorite characters Let's push them together a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what happens So I totally understand that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's a little bit of a misstep again I'm not like that annoyed yet, but I'm the annoyed meter is spiking a bit was a fey

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't think that I, I don't get bothered by wishy washeness like you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think like that's bothering me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm just feeling very validated of like, oh, these two are your people like, these two like I've been saying for a while now that they're horribly toxic and I, it was hard for me to act and I just feel like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you're saying to me that they're hardly toxic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm like, yes, I've been saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I make it another comparison to another television couple who also appeared on this kiss list by the way and I'm not trying to upset anyone okay Veronica Mars fans don't be upset with me don't hate me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you can you kind of see like a Logan Veronica thing with like spike in buffy like the toxicity right like like the can't stay away obviously it's a little different I feel like they set that couple up like very very very early on but yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my stance on the Logan and Veronica thing at the end of it was they deserve each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, Veronica is actually kind of worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she turned, listen, if we're taking like the final season as can and like she definitely becomes worse than him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I do think there is something there and I think here, listen, the thing is is also we are 30 something year old women like watching this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are both married.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We both have had like long-term relationships, we're mature people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This probably would hit me differently if I watched it when I was a teen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like that's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a lot of people were watching this when it came out and they were younger than they are now and they have like those nostalgic glasses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, I don't know, like Pacy and Joey, they were never

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[SPEAKER_00]: verbally abusive to have won another and that's why they're like clearly a better couple to win another and like I can actually see them in a relationship it's not just sex so well yeah and one of them is not a vampire and doesn't have a soul and like there's a lot you know where it's a little episode orange is but yeah vampire out of the suit I think uh honestly I don't think it's pacy I think no it's fucking Joey Joey sucks the life force out of most of us yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, poor Pacy was just trying to get, like, through the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just trying to live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to get by.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else on Buffy and Spike before we talk about kind of the meat and potatoes of the episode with Willow?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think like it, it shows a lot that like Spike always steps up even after a fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he really does care about the summer

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[SPEAKER_00]: summers women in general.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't really think that there's anything that anybody can do to stop him from keep trying to help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he will always step up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's saying something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that is saying something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say I think just something I want to put a pin in that they and this argument they have when they're looking for Dawn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He says, now admit it you have you've had me by the short hairs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I got my rocks back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You felt something last night and she says not love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He says not yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm in your system now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to crave me like I crave blood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And next time you come crawling if you don't stop being such a bitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll bite you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she says, oh, I want you out of my life, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also a lot of toxic people use like I love you as like a either a manipulation tactic or way to keep somebody close to you or.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like saying I love you, especially for somebody like she never said it to Riley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is used as.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like a way to, it's just something that you can use again somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think that's just going to say I love you back to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe it'll be sweepingly beautiful and endearing and wonderful and maybe a lumpy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: who's to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's talk about what Willow has going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's been partying with Rhaeney.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They show back up at the house after like an entire night out in Portera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stayed there all night with Dawn fell asleep on the couch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She wakes up immediately as making Dawn pancakes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I just say, Tara is a sweet baby gem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I

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[SPEAKER_01]: door her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that we're getting the running bit of like the funny shaped pancakes like I just think she is the absolute sweetest and it tore me up that when Willow and Wrath of Amy come inside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't know that's right Amy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she assumes that Willow has just like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you notice that her stutter came back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought like that was an interesting touch as well to bring back the stutter and because she's like maybe to round her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it's like, okay, so she finds out this is right Amy, okay, great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then right Amy continues to talk about how like, oh my god, you should have seen Willow last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she was so impressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She does magic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can only dream of and immediately tear it's like, I got to get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I got to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care about my shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out of here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, poor Tara.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: My heart hurts for her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is so right in all of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's so wise and it breaks me up that in the process of losing Willow to magic and all this other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's also lost the scoobies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's lost her support system, her friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not checking in on her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It really just kills me because I think she's just the sweetest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is sweet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do feel bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like it's she's just like in this really bad situation where she's like half in half out they use her as a glorified babysitter like I've I've said this before and but also it's kind of sad because like Don doesn't have a lot of people in her life anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tara for comfort and company and like a pseudo family, as well as Willow and Buffy and the rest of Scoobies, but like, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to have that taken away from her after her mom was taken away from her and after Buffy was taken away for her for a while to also have Tara not be as present is another loss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's really tough for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really glad that Tara makes the time to spend time with Dawn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it they need each other, but also to be the person that loses the friend group because of a breakup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And still getting lingered like does buffie pay attention to Tara when she's there does

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[SPEAKER_00]: And nobody else besides Dawn reach out to Tara.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Tara isn't such a shitty situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is really upsetting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's so docile and submissive that she doesn't speak up and say, like, hey, like you guys were my friends too, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel so sad for her in that regard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then to see her in this really awkward situation

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buffy and Dawn were discussing Buffy and Willow were somebody was supposed to come back and relieve Tara of her babysitting duties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and if she wasn't there, then nobody would be there for, for Dawn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like the whole thing is like, we had to project Dawn, she's just a kid, blah, blah, but then nobody's showing up for her and they're not checking in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that there was text messaging at this place, but at this time, but nobody like chatting with fluffy or willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not necessarily willow's responsibility.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is buffy's responsibility to make sure that somebody is withdrawn, who is a child and a minor, and she's not a child.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's 15 years old, but still.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's still, she's still a kid like who lost her mom who doesn't have a support system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It also broke my heart for Dawn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That like she loves Tara, but like Tara's not her sister, like Tara leaves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she wants to hang out with either Willow or Buffy both of them are like all we're exhausted from like all night shenanigans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when she like is home later making

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[SPEAKER_01]: test fucking dinner I've ever heard of in peanut butter banana case adeas like fucking gag me that like she just wants to hang out with Dawn and so or excuse me with Willow and that entire night gets fucked and it is so upsetting like it is so upsetting to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That dawn finally gets like a one on one night with someone and they don't even get to go to the fucking movies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with Willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She did have a one on one night with Tara the night before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's pretty bonkers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's like talk about like the Willow situation a bit because after she gets home from her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, this was different because she did go when she gets home from her first night getting high on the magic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like super hungover from the magic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, this is after Ratt Amy introduces her to Rack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean, what were your thoughts about her just like breaking down in the shower?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how much do you think it has to do with like seeing Tara and her going through that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like really upset about the Tara situation, at least that's what she's coming off as.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, she, this is also the same scene after the shower is when she makes the like Tara out of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she makes one of those, like, inflatable boyfriends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cool girlfriends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, she like breaks down in the shower.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I've said this before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shower is like number two best crying place ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I need to ask you a question because as we talked about, I'm not really a shower cryer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, is this the way to do it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she is waterboarding herself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is face first in the stream.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I personally don't, but I know a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I gotta tell you, never my favorite thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if I'm doing that in the shower, it's just because I just put face wash on my face and I need to rinse it off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, I'm facing away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not facing the stream.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a deviated septum and I can barely breathe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't, I can't be doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I really can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you alone doesn't have a dv8, except I'm so sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, her nostrils are really clear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say once again, Allison, hand again, incredible cry actor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it was really impressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She probably just cried in the shower.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she probably just, you're like, just...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, okay, um, I think my problem with the storyline besides me repeatedly saying Willo sucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think my problem with this is we have made the jump from like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: magic is magic to magic is drugs in like a single episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we already did the like getting sucked off for Riley's drugs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we did that as addiction maybe I should say more so than drugs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just felt like we jumped to this so quickly and listen, I've said, I feel like they they put the bread crumbs, they've trailed the bread crumbs, they've laid the seeds of willow, needing power and like wanting more power and wanting to be more like a better witch and all of this, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've done all of that work brilliantly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know why we needed then rack to come in with his weird drug magic and like string her out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just felt like we were going way too far down the rabbit hole with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's because like we're trying to articulate like what rock bottom would be for her and rock bottom is

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[SPEAKER_00]: being, having, is, and honestly, I don't even think it's rock bottom for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's thing, but I think this perceived rock bottom is what's the worst thing that she could do, put Dawn and Danger, like break Buffy's trust.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think like the situation with

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[SPEAKER_00]: excuse me, in a dangerous situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that there's a lot of ways to do that with it having to do with magic, but like maybe it could have been a more interesting way would be like don, I want to train you to be in my oven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to teach you things and gain her into like a really

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[SPEAKER_00]: dangerous situation that way, but I think that they chose it's it's like a weird move like it was very strange for her to go to this like random house that's like hard to find and that moves around and then basically she

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[SPEAKER_00]: like goes on ecstasy and has like an online vendor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then get like comes out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still kind of is still like high and wonky and puts her into like a dangerous situation outside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They get attached.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the point was of it was we needed one to find out what

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I just, I, I don't think this is, do you think that this is Willow's Rock Bottom?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, if it's not, we're certainly, we're, we're getting there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the hanging thread, the like, the thing that I could think of that would,

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[SPEAKER_01]: be, make it worse is the fact that like, hey, right Amy is still around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it definitely seems like she is someone who is willing to go to that place with Willow and like not drag her down because I don't want to put this on right Amy, but like open her up to opportunities where Willow could then go further down to rock bottom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just didn't work for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's apparently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think like the story is a little like a little silly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's so, like it's so over the top of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so like we could have been so much more subtle with like and like a some sort of metaphor of addiction and drugs like we didn't need to be so overt with it was very like 70s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go on an acid trip.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think that for me, if the goal is to put Dawn or somebody in a place where she is in trouble and it's Willow's fault, I think that there could have been more creative ways to get there or more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: refined ways to get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I thought the whole thing was like, yeah, like pretty silly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am like, oh, Willow, you're so stupid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're such a stupid asshole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, like, why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think that Buffy had like the best

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why you would do this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like why would you get high off the magic?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then why would you bring Dawn in on it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what's the point?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to do that, do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like you don't have to why you bring my sister into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you dragging her to this place?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not even including her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like she got to see the action.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now she's left in the fucking waiting room for hours and then fucking willow in her infinite wisdom as she's high is like oh maybe I can just magic you home as we're working down a creepy dark ass alley and then she's like oh that guy's not even real turns out hey he is real she decides again in her infinite wisdom to get behind the wheel of a car start driving it with

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[SPEAKER_01]: just bad decision after bad decision and then like again they really make it so over the top with the like oh I can't please help me like I thought I had it under control and then I didn't it's why it's why Tara left if you she says if you could be you know plain old willow or super willow who would you be I guess you don't have it actually actually

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, like, I just feel like the show is really good at being subtle, and it doesn't need to do this in this way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't really work for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like, not, I don't want to say like character assassination because I feel like this isn't like Dawson's Creek where it was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: because it does feel like we've been barreling towards this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more so that I felt like we get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it didn't need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't need fucking rack, telling her she smells like strawberries, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have what, like 12 episodes left, I think it's going to get worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really, really do, I really do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that this is just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: this scene with Willow, I do believe, and I hear like this is the same thing with most people with addiction, especially like this first time of gang like found out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They genuinely believe what they're saying of, I, it got ahead of me, I didn't mean to do this, I'm like, so stupid, I can't stop it, and I do think like the first

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[SPEAKER_00]: X amount of times these people with these problems truly believe it and I give them so much grace for that because I've never experienced that I don't know what it's like and I think that nobody wants to be in a bad spot, however, the issue is is that once

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[SPEAKER_00]: the friend or the parent or whoever gives that I understand I've like I'm here for you once they start giving the love when it's when the people with these quote unquote addiction issues and I mean like I'm saying quote unquote is because like willow is a willow addicted to magic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know it seems a little silly but but now willow is like oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can get away with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is just like the time when I was in fifth grade and it was the first time that I didn't hand in homework.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was so upset about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt so bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my sister said, don't worry about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That clicks something for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That affected me for the rest of my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay if I don't do my homework.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, fuck homework then, fuck you homework, fuck you homework, no homework, ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm never going to do homework or thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's a given mouse to cookie.

01:01:47.494 --> 01:01:52.299
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, I think that this is like, oh, Willow gets the like, it's okay.

01:01:52.319 --> 01:01:56.784
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I believe you, you know, like, it's a mistake we can get through this together.

01:01:56.844 --> 01:02:01.608
[SPEAKER_00]: Now Willow knows that, oh, I can do this again and again and again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's when the people with the addiction start taking advantage in the manipulation comes

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got away with it once, they got away with it twice, maybe even three or four times.

01:02:11.900 --> 01:02:14.943
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's been the process just because we're peating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's genuine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a thing that happens all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know a lot of people have different thoughts and feelings about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, unless you're on either side of it, it's hard to judge because it's really

01:02:36.676 --> 01:02:48.189
[SPEAKER_00]: and want to give the sympathies in the support and it's really hard for people not to take advantage of that because they're hurting and they're looking for love and reassurance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that this is what in my interpretation is trying to depict I agree it's very heavy handed and I'm having a really hard time trusting Willow because I've seen how irresponsible she is since

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[SPEAKER_00]: for years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, Buffy has not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's been a little blind to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as in the top of the podcast, she's doing what you think a good friend would do and is defending her friend and being there for her, even though she did something really, really, really shitty to her sister.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my question is for the next few episodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did Buffy lose trust in Willow or is it actually forgiven because she let Willow back into the house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's not she's not done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's not done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is not kicked out of the group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that will be Willow's rock bottom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when she's finally kicked out of the Scoobies from Buffy and from Onya and Zander and whomever, I think that is going to be loads of rock bottom when she is absolutely isolated and alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And until then, I think it's going to get worse and worse and worse.

01:04:02.982 --> 01:04:03.663
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that with Raimi, kind of being a source of

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she's enabling the behavior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just going to get worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, we do see like that's what gives Buffy the heads up that like something is going on is when she gets home and no one else is there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Rahini, who's stealing things, like it's very, again, very like, go heavy handed with the like drug addiction stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do, the thing is is like,

01:04:40.015 --> 01:04:48.849
[SPEAKER_01]: not only does Don get mentally fucked up from this entire ordeal, she gets scratched in the face and she breaks her fucking arm.

01:04:48.889 --> 01:04:51.633
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she full on has a fractured arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Buffy, this is another reason why I really didn't care for Buffy making the like.

01:05:00.687 --> 01:05:19.911
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, for again, it being so heavy handed with Buffy equating willows addiction a magic or her her need to do magic and making mistakes with it with herself and spike because it, it feels like it's muddying the waters for me, um, and I wish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish Buffy could just focus in and be like, okay, I need to focus on the fact that Willow's not doing okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And not only is that bad for Willow, but it's unsafe for my sister as well.

01:05:32.354 --> 01:05:44.571
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Willow thus far has been helping me take care of Don and I can't, not only kind of not rely on Willow right now, but it's actively dangerous for Don to be around Willow right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's another reason why I really didn't like

01:05:48.680 --> 01:06:03.465
[SPEAKER_01]: like Buffy saying the line of like it's good to give it up no matter how good it feels like again it's like so heavy handed um yeah I just didn't really get why didn't really like it I just didn't think

01:06:03.597 --> 01:06:10.868
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I just feel like they were, they were trying a little too hard to kind of make these puzzle pieces fit together.

01:06:10.888 --> 01:06:14.132
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see that I can't, I definitely can.

01:06:14.213 --> 01:06:17.237
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is from what we're gathering.

01:06:18.980 --> 01:06:30.837
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the people that have critiques with Susan six, this is one of one of the issues that they have with Susan six, however, I think that there's probably a lot of people that

01:06:30.968 --> 01:06:51.292
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like what she was saying about like there is something that happens to you when you are picked on as a child or as a teenager or picked on or seen as less than or seen as pretty much invisible.

01:06:53.095 --> 01:06:59.322
[SPEAKER_00]: Something happens to your psyche and like I think that it's interesting

01:07:00.668 --> 01:07:01.849
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what would you want to be?

01:07:02.090 --> 01:07:03.411
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was a loser.

01:07:03.571 --> 01:07:04.612
[SPEAKER_00]: I was such a loser.

01:07:05.473 --> 01:07:14.223
[SPEAKER_00]: I had like no power in or belief in myself or talents or whatever, which is not sure.

01:07:14.283 --> 01:07:16.546
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she was so smart at computers.

01:07:16.906 --> 01:07:19.849
[SPEAKER_00]: She was a master hacker by using Google.

01:07:19.869 --> 01:07:19.949
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

01:07:20.250 --> 01:07:21.791
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she was very intelligent.

01:07:21.811 --> 01:07:22.672
[SPEAKER_00]: She did bone school.

01:07:22.732 --> 01:07:26.436
[SPEAKER_00]: She was like a TA for Jenny calendar.

01:07:26.657 --> 01:07:29.680
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was only like seven and a half years old.

01:07:29.660 --> 01:07:32.327
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not true, but that's how she was perceived.

01:07:32.447 --> 01:07:34.071
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what you tell yourself.

01:07:35.034 --> 01:07:38.603
[SPEAKER_00]: And now she is powerful.

01:07:39.245 --> 01:07:41.250
[SPEAKER_00]: Now she can do things.

01:07:41.772 --> 01:07:45.441
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think like she is just trying to

01:07:45.691 --> 01:07:49.639
[SPEAKER_00]: prove to herself and to the world that she has value.

01:07:50.520 --> 01:07:56.312
[SPEAKER_00]: And I sympathize a lot and empathize with that a lot.

01:07:57.073 --> 01:08:01.101
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hear what she's saying, it's just that,

01:08:03.224 --> 01:08:06.789
[SPEAKER_00]: It is, she's just taken the drugs.

01:08:06.869 --> 01:08:08.171
[SPEAKER_00]: She's taken the magic.

01:08:09.112 --> 01:08:10.134
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just no way.

01:08:10.374 --> 01:08:24.775
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing is, I like the idea of someone who is drunk on power, who had a taste of power and wants more, who literally brought someone back from the fucking dead.

01:08:25.175 --> 01:08:28.079
[SPEAKER_01]: And the ego that that would fucking give you, right?

01:08:28.400 --> 01:08:31.324
[SPEAKER_01]: That would really inflate your ego.

01:08:31.304 --> 01:08:38.417
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't like how then we jump to it being like a drug addiction, like it just doesn't, it doesn't work for me.

01:08:38.457 --> 01:08:45.089
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like we're going to that well now too many times, but the Riley stuff too, like it just doesn't work for me.

01:08:45.129 --> 01:08:46.832
[SPEAKER_01]: And so,

01:08:46.812 --> 01:08:58.630
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like there's a couple of reasons the storyline doesn't necessarily work for me and it's again it's it's been built up very nicely I feel like they've they've laid the ground work for it in a really great way.

01:08:58.670 --> 01:09:12.330
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wish I would have so much rather had the like evil evil willow storyline than this you know, they that there's potential to get there like I think that once.

01:09:12.580 --> 01:09:20.853
[SPEAKER_00]: She like I see what you're saying like what's annoying you is like it's the tears that come with that it's just like the the weepiness manipulation.

01:09:20.873 --> 01:09:41.625
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that once my prediction is that she's going to do something and she's going to get exiled by the scoobies and instead of trying to redeem herself initially, I think that she's going to become this like evil even more evil like I don't care.

01:09:41.605 --> 01:09:45.390
[SPEAKER_00]: type of character and maybe you'll like that better where she starts rambling in it.

01:09:46.672 --> 01:09:47.252
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:09:47.272 --> 01:09:48.574
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, I really don't know.

01:09:48.774 --> 01:09:50.697
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, obviously, I'm not supportive.

01:09:50.717 --> 01:09:51.258
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.

01:09:51.278 --> 01:10:02.272
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I feel like we're going to get more so like the rehab storyline of like, oh, she's trying not to not to do magic and terror comes back to her.

01:10:02.332 --> 01:10:03.053
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know.

01:10:03.233 --> 01:10:05.196
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I hope I'm wrong.

01:10:05.456 --> 01:10:06.718
[SPEAKER_01]: I just,

01:10:06.698 --> 01:10:12.323
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that they're gonna go full evil villain with Willow.

01:10:12.363 --> 01:10:20.751
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that would be a mistake because we saw how fun Vampire Willow was in like the other universe.

01:10:20.811 --> 01:10:23.654
[SPEAKER_01]: So like let Alice and Anakin be a villain.

01:10:23.734 --> 01:10:25.315
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I want that.

01:10:25.515 --> 01:10:27.317
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be really fun.

01:10:27.337 --> 01:10:34.984
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it definitely is like a wrinkle, a complication,

01:10:34.964 --> 01:10:43.414
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it would be fun, because we could get like a Tara versus Willow, like magic off kind of a thing like I think there's a lot there.

01:10:43.434 --> 01:10:47.039
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I just don't know, I don't know if the show's going to do it.

01:10:47.339 --> 01:10:58.272
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I just, I just can't with the like again, like the addiction thing just doesn't necessarily work for me and on top of that like it's so over the top and I.

01:10:58.252 --> 01:10:59.334
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just getting annoyed.

01:10:59.414 --> 01:11:02.259
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm just an, I'm annoyed with Buffy and her wishy washyness.

01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:10.873
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm annoyed with Willow, like I want on yet to like get to plan her wedding and fucking piece and for drials to come back and fix everything.

01:11:10.993 --> 01:11:16.041
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, if we're halfway through the season almost is it safe to say like you're not like driving with season six.

01:11:16.021 --> 01:11:16.422
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of.

01:11:16.802 --> 01:11:18.005
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the season.

01:11:18.025 --> 01:11:21.471
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's plenty of time for it to turn around for me.

01:11:21.511 --> 01:11:24.477
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot to like about it.

01:11:24.577 --> 01:11:30.047
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think the the dealing with the depression stuff is interesting to me.

01:11:30.087 --> 01:11:34.355
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's a very interesting way to go on a six season.

01:11:34.375 --> 01:11:38.603
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an interesting kind of foil for Buffy to be dealing with like internal shit.

01:11:38.583 --> 01:11:43.367
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think like the jial stuff didn't necessarily land for me very well.

01:11:44.068 --> 01:11:49.313
[SPEAKER_01]: I, the willow stuff, I just hate her now, like it's like that's just what it is.

01:11:50.153 --> 01:11:51.875
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and yeah, I don't know.

01:11:52.155 --> 01:11:52.856
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we'll see.

01:11:52.896 --> 01:11:54.197
[SPEAKER_01]: The spike stuff is interesting.

01:11:54.237 --> 01:11:57.340
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this Buffy stuff could work for me.

01:11:58.401 --> 01:11:59.622
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think there's time.

01:11:59.762 --> 01:12:08.590
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's time for it to work for me if Buffy stops being so fucking wishy-washy.

01:12:08.570 --> 01:12:37.125
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I I feel like I'm complaining a lot about the season, but I also feel like I'm enjoying it like I think that I'm like I'm enjoying the mess and I don't know if it's supposed to be so messy, but yeah, I'm I'm enjoying I'm enjoying the season like but also I'm like complaining a lot so I'm just like okay am I happy like I don't know I think it's more

01:12:37.105 --> 01:12:38.987
[SPEAKER_01]: critiquing and complaining.

01:12:39.028 --> 01:12:49.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like because we know the potential, like we know the good stuff and the thing is is I would argue like we had a really incredible run of episodes.

01:12:49.481 --> 01:12:50.062
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:12:50.082 --> 01:12:56.891
[SPEAKER_01]: Like once more with feeling, tabula rasa, like I feel like we really like hit a nice stride of episode.

01:12:57.792 --> 01:13:00.075
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see kind of where we go.

01:13:00.055 --> 01:13:18.199
[SPEAKER_00]: like we're writing at times like we're choices like they made a weird choice with the Giles situation that we didn't really like they made a weird choice with the writing about like how low is hitting rock bottom like it's just like sloppy plots.

01:13:19.141 --> 01:13:38.652
[SPEAKER_01]: could be I mean I don't know it's tough to say like we're almost at the halfway mark next episode makes halfway which also means it will be charactering anytime so sorry will know but for you like it's not going to be good girl it's not going to be good Grandpa Zander with his um

01:13:38.632 --> 01:14:04.032
[SPEAKER_01]: Grandpa Zander is rising baby rising he is rising star um let's talk about let's do a little bit of a courties corner here on dad um turns out we both had semi accurate predictions of I said maybe it'll be an Irish name you I feel like had like the biblical nature of Gabriel Connor though the

01:14:04.012 --> 01:14:05.074
[SPEAKER_01]: book Angel.

01:14:05.134 --> 01:14:06.175
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing?

01:14:06.596 --> 01:14:10.381
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember what Irish name that you guessed?

01:14:11.022 --> 01:14:11.543
[SPEAKER_00]: No.

01:14:11.563 --> 01:14:11.663
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:14:12.785 --> 01:14:16.169
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, my main complaint, such a complainer.

01:14:16.570 --> 01:14:27.205
[SPEAKER_00]: My thing is that like all I wanted to know was what the baby's name was and then and true angel fashion, the show, these bitches made me wait until the last minute.

01:14:27.385 --> 01:14:29.088
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was painful for me.

01:14:29.489 --> 01:14:31.251
[SPEAKER_01]: This fucking

01:14:31.231 --> 01:14:35.259
[SPEAKER_00]: I was even confused like, oh no, did I miss it?

01:14:35.299 --> 01:14:35.700
[SPEAKER_00]: No.

01:14:36.522 --> 01:14:50.370
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I am actually not hating the Connor thing because I do think that it makes sense that his, he goes with an Irish name, Connor's an Irish name, and sure.

01:14:50.350 --> 01:15:15.615
[SPEAKER_00]: I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I

01:15:16.878 --> 01:15:25.520
[SPEAKER_00]: guest more I like I think like your instincts were really good guessing an Irish name I wish you remembered what that name was but I know you guessed an Irish.

01:15:25.540 --> 01:15:27.806
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I fell on guessed an Irish name.

01:15:27.967 --> 01:15:33.621
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I said at one point like maybe it'll be Irish but I don't know that I even guessed an Irish name.

01:15:33.652 --> 01:15:34.214
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:15:34.234 --> 01:15:37.924
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think Connor Mason Lawson, I think it's of the age.

01:15:38.967 --> 01:15:41.754
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there was a lot of corners back then.

01:15:42.697 --> 01:15:48.673
[SPEAKER_00]: I even know a couple of corners that like my friends named their kid Connor.

01:15:48.653 --> 01:15:53.520
[SPEAKER_00]: So it continues to be not the most popular name.

01:15:53.720 --> 01:16:01.791
[SPEAKER_00]: Funnily enough, Liam is either the number one popular name, or the number two popular name with one of my best friends, just naming her son Liam.

01:16:02.732 --> 01:16:03.513
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there you go.

01:16:03.733 --> 01:16:08.059
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a heavily popular name right now for boys.

01:16:10.943 --> 01:16:17.732
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think I was very surprised by Connor.

01:16:17.712 --> 01:16:18.373
[SPEAKER_00]: Why not?

01:16:18.794 --> 01:16:19.355
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

01:16:19.375 --> 01:16:27.928
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I mean to me rude but like who's waiting nine months and then you have your child and it's Connor.

01:16:28.329 --> 01:16:30.773
[SPEAKER_00]: Like how do we, how does anybody really get there?

01:16:30.793 --> 01:16:34.759
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it just felt like so.

01:16:35.060 --> 01:16:37.964
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, it was like a letdown.

01:16:37.984 --> 01:16:42.070
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, it's just because like you said, we wait, I'll fucking episode for it.

01:16:42.451 --> 01:16:47.959
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, basically what happens this episode is that a bunch of people want to kill a baby.

01:16:47.979 --> 01:16:52.586
[SPEAKER_01]: And Angel has to take care of the baby and doesn't want anyone else to touch the baby.

01:16:52.606 --> 01:16:54.909
[SPEAKER_01]: That was so annoying.

01:16:55.010 --> 01:16:55.971
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I listen,

01:16:55.951 --> 01:16:56.872
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a parent.

01:16:57.072 --> 01:16:58.554
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I can judge.

01:16:58.835 --> 01:17:05.664
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure if it ever happens, I will be the anxious, most anxious mess that is ever anxious, messed.

01:17:06.805 --> 01:17:13.334
[SPEAKER_01]: But, I mean, I don't know about you, Sarah, but the whole time when he was struggling to feed the baby I'm like, I'm like, I can't even applaud.

01:17:13.754 --> 01:17:17.419
[SPEAKER_00]: See what happens, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it.

01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:21.466
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he I don't he did not he was drinking milk right he got milk.

01:17:21.486 --> 01:17:27.476
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he but I think it was like to sue the baby He did vamp face which was very funny.

01:17:28.017 --> 01:17:29.139
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so stupid.

01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:31.643
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was it was ridiculous.

01:17:31.924 --> 01:17:37.213
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like I tried everything and he he's crying And then the last thing that he tried

01:17:37.193 --> 01:17:46.922
[SPEAKER_00]: was putting vampires on, and then baby Connor is like, wow, daddy, and not even like a daddy sort of way, just in like, that is my father.

01:17:47.042 --> 01:17:49.044
[SPEAKER_00]: I am suits now by the vampires.

01:17:49.324 --> 01:18:07.200
[SPEAKER_00]: When he's never seen a fucking vampire in his life, because he's a day-year-old, a day-years-a-day, but a day-old.

01:18:07.180 --> 01:18:11.073
[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, but yeah, it was so, so silly.

01:18:11.113 --> 01:18:13.019
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, everybody wants to kill the baby.

01:18:13.059 --> 01:18:16.390
[SPEAKER_00]: We still have like 900 different people in the mix.

01:18:16.430 --> 01:18:19.620
[SPEAKER_00]: We have, we still have, we still have, we still have.

01:18:20.022 --> 01:18:31.517
[SPEAKER_00]: Angels old ops we still have some random guy that's kind of with angels old ops that winds up dead in this episode like there's so many different parts it's so hard to keep track of.

01:18:32.458 --> 01:18:48.578
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all so ridiculous and then on top of that he won't let Cordelia hold the baby which is like okay like yeah you don't want strangers to hold the baby but like Cordelia is like your most trusted person you won't let her be.

01:18:48.558 --> 01:19:17.839
[SPEAKER_01]: but I guess it all ends up like it all ends up fine because that's the whole that's the whole trickery is that it's like oh we're gonna make you think that Angel is a dumbass bitch who just carries a baby out doesn't put it in a car seat gets in the car and just drives the fuck away with like a ton of people chasing him in reality he had left the baby with the rest of the crew

01:19:17.819 --> 01:19:22.186
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm never gonna, I guess he got his shots and he got his shots.

01:19:22.506 --> 01:19:30.778
[SPEAKER_00]: Social security number, like, and but like the hospital is not going to question, like, listen, I don't fucking know man.

01:19:30.939 --> 01:19:36.186
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I feel like we have reached such a weird fucking place with this show.

01:19:36.287 --> 01:19:40.553
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I said this to a couple of our friends that it feels almost like,

01:19:40.533 --> 01:19:42.356
[SPEAKER_01]: We're pulling in cousin all of her.

01:19:42.416 --> 01:19:48.205
[SPEAKER_01]: We're pulling in like scrappy do we're like we're adding a member to the group.

01:19:48.245 --> 01:19:59.503
[SPEAKER_01]: We're having the woman who's in her 40s have a baby like why are we bringing a baby on to angel like why does angel have a baby.

01:19:59.483 --> 01:20:02.786
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, I think that's a good point.

01:20:02.806 --> 01:20:04.788
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, where do we go from here?

01:20:04.808 --> 01:20:07.090
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the baby just going to be around all the time?

01:20:07.150 --> 01:20:08.892
[SPEAKER_00]: That seems a little bit strange.

01:20:08.972 --> 01:20:10.914
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I'm saying the fuck.

01:20:10.934 --> 01:20:20.863
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are we doing with the baby in a couple of episodes is he going to decide that like, he's going to get the baby up for adoption?

01:20:20.883 --> 01:20:27.870
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's the whole thing is like, extremely, like, I don't see the end game here,

01:20:28.947 --> 01:20:33.435
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it seems like very peculiar.

01:20:33.575 --> 01:20:40.427
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like a season seven sort of move, not a season three sort of move, but here we go.

01:20:41.188 --> 01:20:46.818
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying, and it's just like, now we have a baby, like, what are we doing though?

01:20:46.838 --> 01:20:50.083
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, now we're gonna have to watch them care for a bit.

01:20:50.504 --> 01:20:54.010
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, and like,

01:20:54.884 --> 01:21:01.840
[SPEAKER_01]: people aren't just going to stop wanting to kill everyone still going to be trying to kill the baby.

01:21:02.731 --> 01:21:05.495
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so now we're just carrying a baby around.

01:21:05.515 --> 01:21:07.798
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know what this show is doing.

01:21:07.978 --> 01:21:10.161
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what am I doing?

01:21:11.242 --> 01:21:15.468
[SPEAKER_00]: It really seems like it was the last post-it on the wall.

01:21:16.590 --> 01:21:18.512
[SPEAKER_01]: And what if we gave Angel a baby?

01:21:18.592 --> 01:21:19.654
[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't that be funny?

01:21:19.674 --> 01:21:21.196
[SPEAKER_01]: What if he named it Connor?

01:21:21.696 --> 01:21:22.017
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:21:22.537 --> 01:21:28.165
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe they saw the success of three men in a baby and they were like, they felt like that.

01:21:28.567 --> 01:21:31.491
[SPEAKER_00]: like let's let's do this for Angel.

01:21:31.751 --> 01:21:48.735
[SPEAKER_00]: It's I'm curious about where it goes but if where it goes at the end of this is that he's like I I can't be the best father I can be he deserves a better home and he like gives the baby away to some like

01:21:49.390 --> 01:21:52.874
[SPEAKER_00]: sad little lesbian couple because they can't help.

01:21:53.395 --> 01:22:01.185
[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that he is like such a stranger a savior complex with women and there's a human that are sad and need something.

01:22:01.225 --> 01:22:04.449
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he's probably like, oh, let me help them.

01:22:04.630 --> 01:22:07.213
[SPEAKER_00]: They're double, double women for me to help save.

01:22:07.273 --> 01:22:08.234
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's my baby.

01:22:08.494 --> 01:22:09.456
[SPEAKER_00]: Please take care.

01:22:10.056 --> 01:22:12.780
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, like, is that we're heading?

01:22:13.181 --> 01:22:18.267
[SPEAKER_00]: And if so,

01:22:18.753 --> 01:22:20.439
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know what we're doing.

01:22:20.580 --> 01:22:26.603
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like Renes May and he grow rapidly and then we'll have like a little kid next season.

01:22:27.629 --> 01:22:31.073
[SPEAKER_01]: fucking hate that.

01:22:31.253 --> 01:22:33.095
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the show jumping the shark.

01:22:33.215 --> 01:22:35.458
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fucking out if that happens.

01:22:35.558 --> 01:22:45.950
[SPEAKER_01]: If they if they runes may this kid and the kid grows into a child that a rapid speed, I'm not going to be happy and I'm fucking done.

01:22:46.871 --> 01:22:49.294
[SPEAKER_00]: You heard it here first, folks.

01:22:49.314 --> 01:22:50.955
[SPEAKER_00]: We can finally stop watching it.

01:22:51.136 --> 01:22:53.779
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, if that happens, we definitely can stop watching.

01:22:54.259 --> 01:22:55.020
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:57.750
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but this is the best show ever.

01:22:57.810 --> 01:23:04.234
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's better than Buffy, even and actually the character development is incredible in this show.

01:23:06.357 --> 01:23:10.667
[SPEAKER_01]: There have been some times I've enjoyed it, but like, it's never been better than Buffy.

01:23:11.208 --> 01:23:17.101
[SPEAKER_01]: It's telling you that much right now for free, Moody Brewery Angel could never.

01:23:17.883 --> 01:23:22.072
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's let's mention what next week's episode titles are.

01:23:22.132 --> 01:23:26.121
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have season six episode 11 of Buffy Gone.

01:23:27.147 --> 01:23:30.252
[SPEAKER_01]: That's me gone for gone.

01:23:30.793 --> 01:23:31.995
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably Willow related.

01:23:32.836 --> 01:23:38.304
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, oh, I have fucking fantastic news for you, Sarah.

01:23:38.545 --> 01:23:40.528
[SPEAKER_01]: The Connor gets put up for adoption.

01:23:40.588 --> 01:23:43.833
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that no, I'm so sorry, don't know.

01:23:44.554 --> 01:23:47.839
[SPEAKER_01]: Season 3, episode 11, birthday.

01:23:48.595 --> 01:23:55.103
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this has a lot to live up to because we fucking love a birthday episode to famously.

01:23:55.123 --> 01:23:58.468
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the blues Dawson Leary.

01:23:58.648 --> 01:23:59.649
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a good idea.

01:23:59.669 --> 01:24:01.151
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be a nice setting us up for that.

01:24:01.171 --> 01:24:02.353
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be as good as that.

01:24:02.453 --> 01:24:05.637
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course it's not going to be as good, but let's say.

01:24:05.677 --> 01:24:13.607
[SPEAKER_00]: So wait, you're telling me, we were supposed to record an episode of this podcast called Buff Up Birthday.

01:24:14.161 --> 01:24:15.743
[SPEAKER_00]: on my actual birthday.

01:24:15.763 --> 01:24:17.406
[SPEAKER_00]: But now we're not.

01:24:17.526 --> 01:24:20.770
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because my birthday is on Monday.

01:24:20.790 --> 01:24:26.899
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have fun days, but we moved it because because it was your birthday because it was my birthday.

01:24:27.300 --> 01:24:30.204
[SPEAKER_00]: But I could have been talking about birthday on my birthday.

01:24:30.264 --> 01:24:32.647
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of my heart and wild.

01:24:32.667 --> 01:24:34.009
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my birthday is going to be so depressing this year.

01:24:34.029 --> 01:24:34.871
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm going to literally God myself.

01:24:34.891 --> 01:24:34.951
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:34.971 --> 01:24:35.031
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:35.051 --> 01:24:35.111
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:35.131 --> 01:24:35.191
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:35.211 --> 01:24:35.271
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:35.291 --> 01:24:35.351
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:35.371 --> 01:24:35.431
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:35.451 --> 01:24:35.511
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:35.531 --> 01:24:35.612
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:35.632 --> 01:24:35.692
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:35.712 --> 01:24:35.792
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:35.812 --> 01:24:35.872
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:35.892 --> 01:24:35.972
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:35.992 --> 01:24:36.052
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.072 --> 01:24:36.132
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.152 --> 01:24:36.212
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.232 --> 01:24:36.293
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.313 --> 01:24:36.373
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.393 --> 01:24:36.453
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.473 --> 01:24:36.533
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.553 --> 01:24:36.613
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.633 --> 01:24:36.693
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.713 --> 01:24:36.773
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.793 --> 01:24:36.853
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.873 --> 01:24:36.933
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:36.954 --> 01:24:37.014
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.034 --> 01:24:37.094
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.114 --> 01:24:37.174
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.194 --> 01:24:37.254
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.274 --> 01:24:37.334
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.354 --> 01:24:37.414
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.434 --> 01:24:37.494
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.514 --> 01:24:37.574
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.594 --> 01:24:37.655
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.675 --> 01:24:37.735
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.755 --> 01:24:37.815
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.835 --> 01:24:37.935
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:37.955 --> 01:24:38.015
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.035 --> 01:24:38.095
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.115 --> 01:24:38.195
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.215 --> 01:24:38.275
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.295 --> 01:24:38.356
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.376 --> 01:24:38.436
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.456 --> 01:24:38.516
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.536 --> 01:24:38.596
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.616 --> 01:24:38.676
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.696 --> 01:24:38.756
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.776 --> 01:24:38.836
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.856 --> 01:24:38.916
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:38.936 --> 01:24:38.996
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:39.016 --> 01:24:39.077
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:39.097 --> 01:24:39.157
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:24:39.177 --> 01:24:39.237
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:39.257 --> 01:24:39.317
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:39.337 --> 01:24:39.397
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:39.417 --> 01:24:39.477
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:39.497 --> 01:24:39.557
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:39.577 --> 01:24:39.637
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:39.657 --> 01:24:39.717
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:39.737 --> 01:24:39.798
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:39.818 --> 01:24:39.878
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:39.898 --> 01:24:39.958
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:39.978 --> 01:24:40.038
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:40.058 --> 01:24:40.118
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

01:24:40.098 --> 01:24:47.248
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, it's good we still can't have cake, I can't have the type who that I wanted, I can't have shit.

01:24:49.331 --> 01:24:49.731
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

01:24:50.052 --> 01:24:51.153
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine fortunate.

01:24:51.554 --> 01:24:54.358
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it all sucks, everything sucks.

01:24:54.378 --> 01:24:55.519
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.

01:24:56.501 --> 01:24:59.425
[SPEAKER_01]: At least you get to watch an angel episode about these things.

01:25:00.065 --> 01:25:04.231
[SPEAKER_01]: This is Connor's first birthday and he's already like rapidly grew.

01:25:04.552 --> 01:25:06.915
[SPEAKER_01]: I swear to God, I was stop watching the show.

01:25:07.075 --> 01:25:09.919
[SPEAKER_01]: You have no fucking idea of serious I am people.

01:25:09.899 --> 01:25:19.355
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but then don't you feel any like satisfaction about how stupid Stephanie Meyer is for completely copying.

01:25:19.676 --> 01:25:21.959
[SPEAKER_00]: We already knew that she copied everything.

01:25:22.360 --> 01:25:28.691
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for her to double down and then be like, I will continue to copy Buffy the vampire slayer.

01:25:29.332 --> 01:25:31.536
[SPEAKER_00]: That would just tickle me so much.

01:25:31.756 --> 01:25:35.282
[SPEAKER_00]: She's already like such a weirdo like yeah.

01:25:36.595 --> 01:25:37.156
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:25:37.356 --> 01:25:38.337
[SPEAKER_01]: People, I, you'll see.

01:25:38.418 --> 01:25:41.221
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on a fucking, I'm on a razor's edge right now.

01:25:41.241 --> 01:25:41.682
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:25:41.822 --> 01:25:47.090
[SPEAKER_01]: If we get fucking runes made and everyone has been like, Angel is the biggest mess.

01:25:47.110 --> 01:25:48.732
[SPEAKER_01]: I swear to God, okay.

01:25:48.872 --> 01:25:49.834
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't handle it.

01:25:49.974 --> 01:25:52.677
[SPEAKER_00]: I can only handle soul fucking much.

01:25:53.098 --> 01:26:01.690
[SPEAKER_00]: We're reach out to our friend and the PSR Discord, Marta Sparrow, and be like, yo, this is the show that you want us to watch.

01:26:02.071 --> 01:26:03.072
[SPEAKER_00]: This is your king.

01:26:03.092 --> 01:26:05.235
[SPEAKER_01]: This is your king.

01:26:05.215 --> 01:26:06.958
[SPEAKER_00]: No, um, it's fine.

01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:08.862
[SPEAKER_00]: You said trust the process with.

01:26:10.625 --> 01:26:11.186
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:26:12.108 --> 01:26:17.699
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, that'll be next week for you all a couple days for us because we are pre-recording.

01:26:17.859 --> 01:26:18.400
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa.

01:26:19.222 --> 01:26:21.526
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, anything else, Sarah, anything you want to tell the people.

01:26:21.546 --> 01:26:23.670
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we've rambled a lot.

01:26:23.731 --> 01:26:24.833
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this episode.

01:26:25.013 --> 01:26:25.434
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not.

01:26:25.714 --> 01:26:26.616
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe only a little bit.

01:26:27.271 --> 01:26:29.194
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I have nothing to say ever.

01:26:29.254 --> 01:26:30.176
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, great.

01:26:30.236 --> 01:26:30.817
[SPEAKER_01]: Me neither.

01:26:30.877 --> 01:26:32.439
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get out of here.

01:26:32.499 --> 01:26:42.816
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next week until then everyone here and if the lesson.