Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 5 Wrap-Up

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before It's just behind never ending windows All you need is a door Searching for something to put a smile back on your face Just remembering unusual times I can come from an unusual place

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[SPEAKER_04]: I need a partner for the ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word now be there Just ask

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's 20, 20 That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's 19, 19 There's a need to pretend I got a hand I can land Who's like you really need a friend Just ask

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[SPEAKER_04]: Shit 90's show start me!

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[SPEAKER_03]: Shit 90's show start me was not filmed before live studio audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready to slay another day?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So are we welcome back to shit 90 shows taught me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just erling here with my co-host Sarah Humphrey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sarah, how are you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jess, doing so well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another one bites the dust, another one in the books.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whoops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, like, what, she's going with a different phrase?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What it put out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, I, I think I just like my brain just spoke a little bit, you know, I want to fix myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, because the truth is, is that I'm Sarah bought and I'm not the real Sarah, I'm my pro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is not working real well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I totally, I, you know, my, whoever, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: program to me did a terrible job because I couldn't even get the one line that I've said about like 80 times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So many times we finished a season of any show we've covered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got it back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got it back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got it back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Reprogrant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another one in the books.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Part of the one in the books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have season five of Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have two seasons to go until

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm really excited to talk about this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have a chance to rewatch any of it, but I did kind of like re-familiarize myself with kind of the episodes in terms of, you know, looking, I was trying to figure out like, okay, which were my favorites, which were not my favorites, and kind of the overall story arc of this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This feels like, I know it's a lot of people's favorites, and it's up there for a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I understand that sentiment because it does feel like, for the most part, there was connective tissue between like every single episode, all of it felt like it was kind of not every episode, but most of them felt like they were serving a larger storyline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I we cannot say that for most of the past buffy seasons that we've watched.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't think we can say that for much of any of the television that we've covered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, let's cover our 90s show, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's be real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really cover prestige television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say our way is considered 90s prestige.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing that we would cover.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because Pranos maybe was that on in the 90s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 99.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It technically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's prestige.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what that was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but I was thinking like a little bit earlier, maybe, maybe like sex in the city would be like something that both we would cover and is considered prestige because it's on HBO.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well back then HBO was

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[SPEAKER_00]: the channel, right, but it's not on television and to HBO.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which doesn't make sense because it's television shows, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I absolutely agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that this is an excellent season of not only TV, but Buffy and there's not much to complain about here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you and I are going to have a lot of, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: really good things to say about season five of Buffet Vampires layer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a lot of the same overlapping opinions so we're not going to be fighting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like season four we fought a little bit because of Riley because of Riley because of the power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, how Dara's let a man get between us, how Dara's, how uncivilized, how not progressive at all, how we're inductive, the fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was horrible, but no, this was, this was so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a great time this season and I think that I, you know, I had said, like, oh, I don't think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to, I mean, we, we, I rated at least season four as my favorite season last season, and I think it also has to do with when you're covering TV, what seasons do you have the most fun covering?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that is where our season four like bump goes, but this is clearly the best

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wouldn't disagree with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think just between the storylines that we got, the big bad being actually really fun and entertaining and making sense, it didn't feel like they ever kind of dropped the ball in terms of the plot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or, and I feel like it was well-paced in that they revealed, they solved the mysteries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They gave us answers to questions that we had in dribs and drives, so it never felt like the well-ranned dry for doing wrong before we got another answer to a question that we had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also feel like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: we've seen Buffy's first really, really intensely difficult hardship that is going to take her longer to process and get through in her mom's death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I definitely think that this season elevated the show as much as we were hoping that her going to college last season would kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: progress the show in a certain way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like this is the season where that actually happened in large part because she ended up not being able to go to college because of everything that happened with her mom, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like it's kind of back to her slayer roots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a really great season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: chat through everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no worries, everyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think we can safely say this one ends up the top of our list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm interested to know if it will ever be dethroned with the final two seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and also that's such a funny take for us to

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[SPEAKER_00]: If somehow six and seven become ranked higher than five because then there's people that love the early seasons of Buffy like they think that they're like them to like them and you and I are sitting here being like, oh, but there's just like so much juice in this season and looking back on the episodes will get to our favorite episodes a bit later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But oh, there was just so many, not only good episodes, but really, really good moments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even in some of my least favorite episodes, there are certain moments that I'm like, but wait, like, this is such a good moment that, like, I can't, like, deny that it, like, led to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a good season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm so excited and you know if you've been with us before with how we do these things, we break them down, we do character breakdowns and rankings and villain rankings and fever episodes and blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we go through it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like a fun, a fun little episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's start by revisiting Buffy's storyline and her journey this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We start with like the whole Dracula thing, which like kind of makes the has no bearing on pretty much anything except for the fact that it feels like it kind of,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is the beginning of the end of Buffy and Riley's relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That feels like the only real purpose to that storyline, but we also start this season with Buffy having a sister just like mysteriously here she is now there she is and we spend a lot of the early season kind of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: working on the dynamics of that sisterly relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a completely new to the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they they spend quite a number of episodes, like Buffy's protective of Dawn, and she's also irritated with Dawn because she's a younger sister and younger sisters are irritating and and so on and so forth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I feel like up until it feels like kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: mostly say me say me until Buffy's mom dies or even I guess until Buffy's mom gets sick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I feel like things get real serious real quick for Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that there's definitely a kind of three different parts of like Buffy's story maybe for because there's the violin stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, breakups are significant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this was one of the more

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[SPEAKER_00]: serious relationships that Buffy's been and I know like she was in love with Angel, but also like how realistic was that relationship really, you know, seriously he was like 500 years old and a vampire and really evil and they couldn't even like go have a picnic together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, there's like the breakup aspect and like, no, like we didn't love moments with Buffy's storyline with like the Riley stuff because we, I don't think we enjoyed like some of the Riley stuff that we got this season and I remember like kind of hanging and

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[SPEAKER_00]: where Buffy's tensions lie, it ties into the like other segments of Buffy's storyline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the relationship with Don, as you were saying, I think that it was really interesting to watch the first couple episodes how I was reacting to this sisterly relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Needless to say, I was triggered as an older sister to a younger sister.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that was incredibly relatable and then when we get to, when we get to talk to Dawn, I mean, I have so much to say, but how quickly it turned for me at a certain point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have Buffy dealing with her mother's sickness and taking on that responsibility, everything going on her on her shoulders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It intertwines with her breakup with Riley because she's not able to put in any sort of

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[SPEAKER_00]: any sort of energy into a relationship, which is totally as I said a billion times very understandable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the aftermath of losing a parent, but also throughout this whole time, she's dealing with the biggest foe that she's ever dealt with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not like a vampire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not like some lowly demon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a God and she is being challenged to her limits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not only like emotionally, she's being challenged to her limits that she has to deal with her family and the fact that she figures out rather quickly that Dawn is a

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[SPEAKER_00]: a planted memory and having to keep that secret and then on top of that, having to deal with the fact that there is a enemy, a villain who for the first time ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: sincerely kicks her ass at every single attempt and gets the better of her at every single attempt which happens throughout the entire season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Glory is so interesting because she doesn't hide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not like Daddy Vams who has to suffer

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the in the underworld for three score, she's not like the mayor who gets to like pretend like he's like a good guy the whole time glory know she's bad to clear she's bad and then tawn spuffy at every single point that she can get to to be like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still here and I'm not going to kill you but you are pathetic and I'm going to psychologically to show you and everybody that you care about and I think like Buffy just had to go through a lot and then on top of all that any help that she gets from like the stupid order of the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you talking about the nice epitaphisium?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the watchers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The watchers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're now how the original slayer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's know how jiles is jilesing the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just joking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to pound on jiles, but yeah, very you know you would like to pound on jiles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, this is probably

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is very adult shit that she has to deal with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She has to drop us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, she has to worry about taking care of Dawn and let all the shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So very interesting stuff from Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's worse for Buffy that it like including the fact that Gloria is definitely the most difficult villain the most powerful villain she's ever had to face the fact that that person is also coming for her sister her only person left in her life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and that she is trying to defend a different person other than just herself, that brings its own challenges.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stuff that Buffy has never had to deal with before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think she this was the most that she's emotionally had to deal with in a single season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just felt like the hits just kept coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was never a moment where she could really take a breath.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that

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[SPEAKER_01]: it feels like season five is a lot of it's like the climax almost and then season six is almost like the falling at it's like everything that follows what happened in season five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we're going to be spending so much time in season six with Buffy just like

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[SPEAKER_01]: dealing with all of the fallout and the trauma and the stuff that she faced in season five, because when she will talk about our predictions for like how she's going to return from the dead, whatever, whatever, when that happens, she's going to then be able to finally process everything, process her mom's death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: process, what she had to go through with glory, process, dawn, and what all of that means.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's never had a single second to sit down and process any of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like season six is going to be a very like, heavy season if that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Buffy really went through a tough time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This season more so than any other season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I obviously, the loss of her mother being like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the biggest, got punched the biggest emotional, you know, things she's ever had to process, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, I think like the things that we've dealt with previously with Buffie is the struggle being slayer not being able to be a normal teenager, a normal girl,

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[SPEAKER_00]: falling in love with like a forbidden love and having to accidentally murder them so that yeah, totally normal stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally normal things, but yeah, it was just it was adult stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she is an adult now and we had to deal with adult stuff, um, real things that all of us as adults have to go through like death of a family having to take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: care of your loved ones, having to sacrifice your own dreams for the greater good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I know most of us don't have to worry about saving the world, but I think like her having to give up college to take care of family could be something that's a little bit more relatable than some other things that she has to go through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just yeah, I mean, it was the kind of parent basically overnight to dawn and really take on that role of a guardian that she wasn't prepared to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she was just it was thrown on her plate and she had to deal with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think it's interesting thinking about I feel like we talked a lot last season and maybe even this season before about like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Scoobies, the Scoobies, the Scoobies, like found family and like her friendships and those relationships being like the center of her universe and kind of like the main, you know, the main relationship that she had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this season was just so much more about family, like love family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, then it was about her friendships with the Scoobies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And with that being said, I want to talk a lot about Dawn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I feel like this is a good spot to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And her story because good God, like such an incredible addition to the cast, like just in a way that is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: too seamless like in a way that it's like, you know, we joked, we were like, oh, yeah, she has a sister.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The show just wanted to like read, write the history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were so complacent in that, um, embarrassingly so, because we watch 90s TV, we're used to them just inventing new kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We really didn't question it at all,

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[SPEAKER_00]: definitely not love at first sight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I saw her and I saw how she responded to Buffy and I saw kind of how she acted and my initial impression was like, God, this isn't annoying character, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of hate her like I don't know why we're doing this like I guess they really leaned into the little sister tropes is the thing yeah and I think that really leaned heavily into that to cause strife and to make you be like yeah of course they have a little bit of a contentious relationship that it was like intentional they didn't want us to like absolutely adore on at first you know

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm glad that they did it that way too because at least for me, I, um, I feel like I have, I had such an organic coming around to this character, uh, which it started with and it's kind of funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like how how like you endure yourself to somebody because that first she was annoying and I wanted to give her

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[SPEAKER_00]: like a noogie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was protected over her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, like, I don't like the buffy said this thing about her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't like that they're not including her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was like, oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she is like really coming to her own into her own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm really, and then I started getting like, hey, like, no, Don is right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buffy is in the wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: my perception of her change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a big part of that is Michelle Trackenberg as an actress and how good she is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just says like both Michelle Sarah Michelle Geller as well as Michelle Trackenberg just how like well she

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[SPEAKER_00]: everything was acted and you kind of see her and like the way that she responds with her facial expressions and you just I felt so endeared to her and like protective over her and I started to really like appreciate her and by the end of the season I'm like wow like yeah like she's a phenomenal addition

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[SPEAKER_00]: And no place like home when we find out the twist, I, that is an incredible twist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was really gagged by it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And from that point onward, my negative opinions of Don evaporated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it was so, it was just so good how they introduced that twist

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[SPEAKER_00]: I truly, like, from, it was almost like an instant, like, oh, I get it now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I get, like, how, it was so satisfying, how she was so fucking annoying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the instant, it was like, the instant that I found out that all had a purpose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, never mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I understand why they had to do it where you introduced the character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, well, this is fucking annoying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, why are we doing this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, oh, of course, there's a purpose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, I totally agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I, I think I always was I had a little bit more sympathy for Dawn in the beginning, just as a younger sibling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I connected

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think both the choice to make her such an emotionally complex character as well as the fact that Michelle Trackberg is just handles these scenes like a true professional, like an adult, like you would think that, I mean, obviously she had to hear it this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was acting for a while, but like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like truly we're this is next level acting from such a young actor that I love that they did put so much on her plate because she was able to handle it right like if you think of someone else in this role it falls flat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't quite measure up to what the writers want it to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like having SMG and Michelle Trachtinburg opposite each other in these scenes really, really elevated the emotional stakes in a way that you couldn't if you didn't have those two actors in those roles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Donna's just like an incredible character with such a complicated kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to say decision to make, but like she is so confused, it's already difficult enough being a teenager, let alone like finding out all this other shit that's going on and then your mom dies and like there's just so many beats that they do such a good job with and also the other thing about John is

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[SPEAKER_01]: them giving her a lot of scenes with spike.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think was also just ingenious, not only to like further cement her kind of outsider status in a way, but also really in dearest more to spike too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we got to see this other side to spike that

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this season specifically did a great job with and using her in that way was so smart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just I absolutely adore this character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have been really devastated if we lost her at the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was fully expecting that to be the case too, especially when you started talking about, oh, like sacrificing herself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It made it less sense, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes a lot of sense like this is a character that in an isolated situation, you know, she is brought to this Earth to be the key.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We kill glory slash Ben.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We no longer need a key.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then we don't we no longer need a dawn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I honestly thought that it made the most sense that Dawn sacrificed herself at the end to eliminate Ben and Glory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we were going to wrap up the storyline of Ben and Glory, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which we wound up doing, which I wasn't even fully convinced about either, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that I was fully expecting it to be a one off season with Don.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious like how we're going to utilize her in the next season because I think that she almost has less of a purpose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm worried in a way of like, oh, is she, she was such a pivotal

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, person or like a pivotal plot point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was a key.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was the key.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, is she just going to be like an extra from now on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of, I haven't thought about it until now, but like now I'm like a little concerned about it, because I mean, we're just like buffing needs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bobby needs a family kind of yeah I mean we we can talk more about this in our like predictions sections but I do think Dawn is going to play a very interesting role in the next season so I'm excited to like dive into that and also I can't wait to watch season six and like actually see what she ends up doing yeah like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just think such a lovely addition to the cast like truly in a way that I mean you're coming into a show five seasons in like that is a difficult things really do especially in such a role that is like important to central to the plot central to the emotion of the season like it's integral to everything and she does such a lovely job with this role and gosh, I freaking loved on so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so happy she's on the show and that, you know, seemingly she'll be in season six as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody else could have done it like her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that they talked a lot about initially wanting somebody younger in that role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they first thought that Michelle Shrekenberg was too old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted more like of a child.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they seriously made the right choice of hiring Michelle Tryngenburg because nobody else could have done it on level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a no brainer when you see the emotions and how well the two actresses play off each other and when Joyce was alive, how well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that mother daughter bond seemed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the spike and don't stuff is phenomenal and some of the times where I enjoy spikes character the most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and yeah, I, I'm very, very curious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, who do you want to bounce to next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to talk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's take with Scooby's and talk about willow who.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Truly such a rough, a rough season for Willow, and I feel like the last season was a little rough for her at times as well, although I think, no, no, no, maybe I'm thinking of this season for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Either way, this season, I,

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[SPEAKER_01]: had a really hard time with Willow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think like, she's still dating Tara, so that's like a thumbs up, you know, that's the thing in the plus column, but a lot of time was spent with her at odds with Ania and like not being welcoming to Ania in the group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And right that whole episode with Ania's ex-boyfriend, it's like they're at each other's throats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Willow consistently being kind of the worst and like fucking up the magic she's supposed to be good at and getting into fights with Tara for like no reason like it all just didn't work well for Willow like she's I feel like the show keeps telling us that she is like the most powerful which she has so much untapped power and potential and blah blah blah blah blah

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we just see her fuck up like constantly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I guess I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's like my quibbling with the show so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of feels like I am where it's like, you keep telling us that she's so powerful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like show us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have so many instances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, we've seen a lot of different things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the where she like gets Tara's brain back like probably nobody else could do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are some big things that she's done, but it just feels like time and time again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She does should that is like so unhelpful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think it's because she

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[SPEAKER_00]: has very little she's I think like what Tara what makes Tara different have a wish is that she recognizes like

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[SPEAKER_00]: the old Spider-Man thing with great power comes great responsibility just because you can do something you have a moral obligation not to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like everything in the universe has a balance, like Tara's much more of like an organic witch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's because Tara, maybe like grew up with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like her mom was like a secret witch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have that great episode family where we got to learn about Tara's background and the fact that like

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very much like a witch hunt within her own family, but I think like she has like more of like that organic like wicka magic and I think it reminds me a lot of of American Horror Story Coven where the Lily Rape character

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[SPEAKER_00]: is like more like a hippie organic witch and she is great power, but then you have somebody like the Emma, not Emma Roberts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Emma Roberts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Emma Roberts character who is super super powerful, but then takes advantage of that power and does things that she's not supposed to and like takes things without really thinking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the issue with

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[SPEAKER_00]: she's just like such an instant gratification girlie like she doesn't know impulse control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's not every now and she doesn't it's not like she doesn't care about the consequences, but she acts on impulse and it's like I'm going to do what I think is best right now without thinking about

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[SPEAKER_00]: the counter reaction that you put out in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think that we've seen a ton of an impressive magic from her, the season that was actually helpful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that she's improved greatly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that she has a raw anatomy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought she is so self-centered at times and I think that she is so unapologetic at times and I think that she's, did I say self-absorbed?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it the first thing that I said?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I didn't, that she is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just think that she is not

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's just like this type of person that I would want as a friend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the problem is that I wish her emotional maturity was as like advanced as her magic seems to be like it feels like you know go all the way back to last season with us being concerned that she's like doing magic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: she's going to try to like push and push and push and do more and more difficult magic more advanced magic and maybe she's not ready for that and there's a difference between being able to handle advanced magic but like also being able to like emotionally handle it right and like not able to be mentally ready for that I do agree with you but on the flip side I just watch the season two finale's like the parts one and two and she's been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: told the same is actually it since season two of like hey like I think that this is too much for you I think like you are you're trying stuff that's like above your reach so in a way I'm like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn, maybe if Willow has heard this for like three years now, four years, maybe she's just done with the bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe she's just like, fuck you and fuck you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do what I want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've been doing this for what she feels like is a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in a world, like when you are 20 years old, four years is like a fifth of your life, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a chunk of your life, four years for you and me is like a fraction of our life, like, you know, so back back when we were a teenager, we were like, damn, that's like, I've been doing this for as long as I can remember and in a way she has been, but yeah, I think that she, she's going to be at herself in trouble and it's going to be bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be so, so, so bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she already, like, she took such a huge risk in trying to confront glory alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was so amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very lucky Buffy came in to save her ass because she was not in a great position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say on the on the positive side of things because I don't want to make it seem like I hate willow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't hate her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are times where I find her to be very frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like on paper,

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[SPEAKER_01]: queer witch character should be one of my favorites.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like she isn't because she makes impulsive decisions that I feel like it like you said a bit selfish at times, but I will say on the positive note, I personally feel like whenever Buffy is down and out unable to be in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is able to kind of direct people where they're best suited very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she thrives in that particular role where it's and again, this goes well with her being a bit impulsive sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, she can like adapt and adjust very quickly on the fly when she's needed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really do like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wish it didn't take Buffy not being there for her to be able to like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: be able to, I don't know, have a better like more clear vision, like not miss the forest for the trees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's, will those issue a lot of the time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I also think it's just like how bulldozy she is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I can't forget that episode where her and Tara gone to that fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were in that one particular argument.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she just like would not hear what Tara was saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it also kind of reminds me of like, yeah, like how she was with like Ania or I think that she just gets like very set in her ways and doesn't really want to hear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: other things that people are trying to tell her at times and I honestly think like it could stem from the fact that she was a pushover for most of her life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like once she got her voice, she's not going to be silenced anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that like true wisdom and maturity comes with having that balance, like being a leader when you need to be one, but a good leader,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my opinion is that somebody listens to their peers and other people's needs as well and like let's other people Be heard and like say what they need to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think that she's

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's interesting, like she really did piss me off a lot this season and I still think that her which skills are questionable, but it's undeniable how powerful she's getting and how much she is able to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then finale alone, we saw her, you know, restore Tara's mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was able to like talk to Spike telepathically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was so new thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of which are obviously super useful things to be able to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't like the command spell where she was like stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she like, I think it was the ender in Spike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she stopped the fighting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she pushed them apart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was like a lot of like really cool things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting once again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like so funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like unlimited her, like different shows do different things, like their different shows or media do different things with like which is or whatever kind of like how vampires like note like a true blood vampires not the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because like it seems like her powers are like limitless where something like charmed it's like well this which specializes in stopping time and this which specializes in seeing the past present and future and then this which specializes until like nieces like willow can do

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[SPEAKER_00]: everything at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is like once again, like that's a lot of power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's scary for one person to possess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, when one other small thing that Willa did to piss me off was the stuff with Dawn this season of like giving her the book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

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[SPEAKER_00]: Completely bulldozed and I think if she was in a relationship where she felt like I think she loves willow and I think willow really does love her, but I think that this is something that like they'll need to work on if they're going to work out for the existence of time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like if with somebody that has such a strong personality, you, you can't take advantage of somebody that covers at the confrontation and it's so easy for willow to do and I feel like if Tara.

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[SPEAKER_00]: felt a little bit more comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She would also be a little bit more comfortable calling Willow out in her bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she probably doesn't because when she does, she gets yelled at and eventually told that she thinks that she doesn't, she thinks that her girlfriend's evil or some shit like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's probably scary for someone like Tara who also coward at her family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about Tara because we're kind of already on on the subject that there is a very intertwined lie I mean I I did like Tara I think I liked her I think I was more excited about her and season four I feel like

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[SPEAKER_00]: She felt a little meek and not that like exciting and entertaining and I think that like a lot of her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the the family episode was phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that it told a really interesting story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked those series of episodes where it was like, you get back story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get a backstory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get a backstory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was really fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it was around the same time as Spike's backstory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was back to back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Tara's was family and Spike's was full for love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a really fun couple of episodes because it felt like, oh, we're getting context with all the sides.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I kind of love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But besides that, and I think like a part of it, like she spent a couple of episodes at the end being mind-melded by glory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She got bulldozed a bit by her partner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I felt like she,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like I didn't get as much from her as I was hoping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel about Tara this season?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kind of agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it difficult because from Episode 19 to 22 is when she has lost her mind because of glory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a couple of episodes right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and we did get the family episode which are also really enjoyed in terms of getting to find out more about her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember us predicting very early on in the season that we thought Tara and Dawn would connect so much because of kind of being outsiders, not really being of true part of the Scoobies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Tara would be welcoming Dawn in in terms of the witchiness and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a little disappointed that didn't

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[SPEAKER_01]: really happened at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like that was like an interesting thing we could have explored more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot you could do with Tara.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's unfortunate they didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were really focused elsewhere this season, which is fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think there was an opportunity to really utilize her more as a character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I was more excited about her in season four because she was new and interesting and the biggest thing I will say coming away from this season that I, you know, that I feel like they did invest in with Tara was her backstory about also losing her mom and being able to connect with fluffy on that I think that is both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: really interesting and an interesting character beat for for Tara to have and something that no one else in that group is able to connect with Buffy on, but also could be a seed planted for the future, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We could see a future conversation between Tara and Buffy about that very subject.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully we get that because I agree with you, it does feel like

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a little non-existent or not even non-existent, but just like, not as important of a character for some of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even when she was integral to the story, like in the last chunk of episodes, there wasn't as much active.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was more passive, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's also, I think it's a couple things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the writers are like, yeah, we can use all these great things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: between Tara Don or we can give that material to Allison Hanigan who is an established main character and somebody, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They could have connected on the witchcraft stuff but they're really going to make like Willow, the one that kind of tries to include Tara

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[SPEAKER_00]: Willow's the bigger character like let's not forget Tara still doesn't even is not even in the open and credits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, like she she like she's a I don't I mean she's part of the main cast yes, but I suppose like

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[SPEAKER_00]: In a way, she might just be like a recurring role or something like I don't know how she's credited, but she's credited as I would assume or curing yeah, which means that she has to be limited in content material and she has been limited in lines or also have to credit her as a main character pay her more this than the other things so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so I think it's that and then I also think that there's like a little bit of like

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting, because Tara never seems bothered that she's not a part of the Scoobies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she wear dawn as like, I feel left out or like, they're like excluding me or like, they're putting me on the sidelines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tara never seemed to complain once.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, in fact, like there was times where the Scoobies did stuff without her and she was just like, yeah, like that's what they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she does not seem bothered by it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that is

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of like part of her personality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, like I think that she is has a milder personality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's very much people out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not everybody gets phomo or wants to be included in the group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people want to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're indoor cats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to hang out with princess fluffy nutter or whatever the fuck that cat's name is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just be like a home body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's okay with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't really want to fight the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean to be honest with you, Tara, I was probably like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: just wanted like the pussy and I wanted to do a couple of magic tricks here and there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not sign up for saving the world and all respect to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would be like, yeah, like I didn't sign up for for this shit either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what season six brings for Tara.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope she gets a little bit more to do, but I'm not, you know, who knows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see, I'm not holding my breath for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about Zander and what might be his best season yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a very strong Zander season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a great job now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's working as like a carpenter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he has that one episode dedicated to him, which like, wasn't my favorite, not because of anything he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it was just like whatever to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, if you have a twin like that, you got to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No way that you can't utilize that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has like a new apartment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Things are very strong with onions at the point where he has proposed at the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And basically we think she's going to say, yes, none of the world isn't over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is a really strong Zander season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think part of it is on your really elevates him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're very complimentary characters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they work very well together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes him more bearable because he's not just like hitting on girls and being like a sleaze ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's really matured in that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really like the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he didn't have a ton of like

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[SPEAKER_01]: solo storylines for himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I did get from him and onya, you know, in their relationship and all of that, I really did enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he serves two purposes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, he and onya are the comedic relief and there were a lot of funny moments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that we're really my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on young moments of the season was when Zander is trying to teach her how to be like a human, like a normal person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, and in those scenes where in season four and previous, I thought that onya was like the strong part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of that duo in those comedic scenes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in this season, I think it switched for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Zander was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love his patience with her, too, because like, yeah, like some of the stuff is like really grading, like in the episode, the body, like the questions that she was asking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just like, you have to be very patient with her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that he is, like he's very patient and loving, and he wants to help her understand and learn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that this relationship made him better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that there's that, but also he was a phenomenal sounding board to most of the characters throughout the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the buffy conversations that he had throughout the season, whether it be just like the way to the world of responsibility or talking to her about Riley or like him having the conversation with Riley in the very beginning, like I think that he he's doing a good job of being the gentlemanly, where generally, which is a therapist, which is few of the therapists

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I think like I'm understanding the trope of Zander is the heart of the group because I think that he spends a lot of time nurturing everybody else and also being there for like everybody else's drama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like yeah, it's supporting character literally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is interesting, I think, especially in the body, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he, it's almost like he's trying, he's trying to help Willow, he's trying to help on you understand everything and it just becomes so much, he has to like punch a ball, because he himself is also dealing with the grief of everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree, I think there's a lot

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[SPEAKER_01]: going, I like him having that conversation with Buffy about relationships.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you know, he knew how Riley was feeling earlier in the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't tell Buffy, blah, blah, blah, whatever, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's grown a lot and this season is proof of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think part of it is, he's gotten older, he's gotten more mature, whatever, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I think part of it is like, on your just makes him a better person, he makes like you said, he makes it, it makes him more patient.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never such a fun couple that you want to root for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So therefore you're also rooting for Zander to succeed because you're rooting for them as a couple as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he had a really great season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested to see what his role is specifically at the beginning of next season with Buffie not seemingly around how he is going to step up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we've already seen in most situations, if Buffy's not there willow is the one who kind of takes control and takes that leadership role and I'm really intrigued to see where Zander falls and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, great great season for Zander truly has best so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we kind of we kind of talk through on you, but we can kind of finish her up as well, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mostly, I mostly like Donia this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love her working for trials at the magic shop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It ended so fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love her like obsession with money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Buffy Bot being like, Oh, how's your money?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for asking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I really laid that to or like, so funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or when she's explaining to Tara how.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She I don't know if it was investments or stocks stocks and bonds or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She took money and made into money money money like I really liked that as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like yeah, like I agree with you like I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: really lighter I want to get like it's good to have a purpose it's good for her to be like excited about something I like that she's like I'm trying to be like a good member of society I'm trying to be a good American um I believe in the capital of something didn't work for me obviously we were in the 90s it was a bit of a funny time funny it was funny it was very funny it's just like oh honey a why but I like her finding the bunny in the finale was really great

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she has some good stuff and I really liked, really liked the, um, and when her, with her arguing with Willow, I really like the conclusion that she comes to where she's like, I'm not going to hurt Zander.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, are you kidding?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I would never do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think she's, she's growing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's maturing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like figuring out what it means to be mortal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really, really

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[SPEAKER_01]: like her voicing the questions that it's too uncomfortable for other people to ask, but everyone is kind of wondering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think she really did have a good season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know we hit certain points where you were wondering if like is it too sticky, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like are we are we doing too much of this stick with Ania?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm curious to see if season six leads away from that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she is great comedic relief, but I think that Zander is a good example of you can be the comedic relief and the heart and you don't have to be the clown the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just think that it's dark, it did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From the second half of the season on, probably from like after the body on, I felt like

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just became a little too redundant for me and I just felt like, okay, like, this is a funny gag, but like, what's next?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what else can you do with onya?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess like I was starting to get concerned of like, this is just going to be like one note and how it's going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I like the idea of her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: growing and adapting and still being funny and trying to figure out like how the world works, but you know, I want layers essentially.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think like we're more likely to get those layers from Ania than we are from Tara as like a secondary character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mainly because she is treated like she's a main character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's in the opening credits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So of course she's going to get more

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about Giles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giles has the magic shop this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that really helped him in a way that he has a character suffered last season with not really having anything to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that we addressed, does Buffy even need him anymore?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's thinking about going back to the UK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was all really great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really loved him stepping up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: after Buffy lost her mom and that really like cementing that parental role that surrogate father role with Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, all of what Giles did worked for me this season specifically, Ripper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then glass is gone cleaning them bitches off and then fucking strangling Ben.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was just so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was such a sick moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's it was funny also

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[SPEAKER_00]: because I mean like he struggled with Buffy as a 16 year old like Don is 16.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We when we meet Buffy she's 16 but like no matter how much he had issues with with Buffy like he didn't have to spend time with like a pure teenage girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Buffy is a teenage girl

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[SPEAKER_00]: plus a slayer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was funny being like, oh, like, I had to sit there and listen to boy problems and like paint our nails and this end of the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was like a really funny moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: all of the fatherly moments that he had with Buffy were phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love them together as like a mentor-manteed father daughter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just really works especially because Mr. Hank Summers is who the fuck knows where I think he's dead but who the fuck knows where he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she knows what we'll

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that, um, yeah, like I think that jiles definitely came around for me, uh, because of having that purpose, stupid mistakes, stupid, stupid, stupid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He made some really dumb mistakes with Dawn, like, and the magic shop and with selling the things to glory that he shouldn't have sold to glory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he made some really,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, dumb errors or too smart for this, but also maybe we just need to implement some protections.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we don't have to leave all of the forbidden books.

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[SPEAKER_00]: very close to access high access those dangerous folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we can lock them up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we don't put our secret diary in a very accessible place that a 16 year old girl can observe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where you spill all of your juicy secrets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's worst case scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't find out from that diary was not even worst case scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Worst case scenario was that glory and she really should have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like destroy the entire space, topped bottom and she found the journey, the journal because it's not like it was magic clothes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just in a hidden compartment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Gloria took an ad to the cash register area, she could have found it and then there was no code or anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she could have read it and the whole jig was up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it should have been.

57:38.731 --> 57:47.720
[SPEAKER_00]: Once again like magic clothes or like in some sort of encrypted language like what the fuck Giles that was so stupid.

57:47.740 --> 57:49.602
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so unnecessary.

57:49.742 --> 57:54.868
[SPEAKER_01]: Such an unnecessary error Yeah, and his part that he was very frustrating.

57:54.888 --> 57:58.331
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like he's smarter than this He's more than that.

57:58.351 --> 57:59.452
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's annoying.

57:59.533 --> 58:03.376
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then on top of that the like selling He wasn't paying attention.

58:03.457 --> 58:06.780
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't know a glory look like but also

58:06.760 --> 58:14.693
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he should have knowledge if this ingredient plus this ingredient is sold together, that is bad.

58:15.094 --> 58:26.372
[SPEAKER_00]: If he's going to sell these dangerous magic ingredients, then he needs to have the knowledge that

58:26.352 --> 58:28.376
[SPEAKER_00]: Who cares if it was if it wasn't glory?

58:28.817 --> 58:31.423
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody should be buying those two materials together.

58:31.803 --> 58:34.108
[SPEAKER_00]: It should not be allowed to be sold together.

58:34.128 --> 58:36.433
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, that's that's my point.

58:36.453 --> 58:44.530
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I understand that he didn't know who glory was or what she looked like, but we they shouldn't be sold to anybody at the same time at the same place.

58:44.510 --> 58:46.736
[SPEAKER_00]: or from the same client.

58:46.776 --> 58:47.157
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

58:47.197 --> 58:52.731
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just there was some stupid mistakes, but I think like that's the worst of Giles.

58:52.791 --> 58:58.626
[SPEAKER_00]: At least like last episode last season, we were like, Giles has no purpose and he's literally doing nothing.

58:58.686 --> 59:00.651
[SPEAKER_00]: He's in his underwear the entire time and playing guitar.

59:00.951 --> 59:01.573
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

59:01.807 --> 59:03.210
[SPEAKER_01]: At least he had purpose this time.

59:03.230 --> 59:04.472
[SPEAKER_01]: He now has the magic store.

59:04.512 --> 59:11.386
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like kind of mentoring on you in terms of, you know, having her on as an employee.

59:12.568 --> 59:15.875
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really enjoyed enjoy enjoy, enjoy jiles the season.

59:17.237 --> 59:22.127
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's briefly touch on Joyce because she died this.

59:22.107 --> 59:30.129
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought what we did with her was interesting.

59:30.230 --> 59:37.129
[SPEAKER_01]: We have the whole brain thing happening, you know, that was very mysterious in terms of what is it is it is it is medical.

59:37.109 --> 59:53.955
[SPEAKER_01]: as it, magical as it, whatever, whatever, whatever, everything with Dawn, I really enjoy getting to see her be a mother to Dawn and kind of how that caused strife with Buffy and, you know, the inequity she felt in their relationships.

59:54.896 --> 01:00:05.192
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, obviously, I think her death impacts the show

01:00:05.172 --> 01:00:06.133
[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy.

01:00:06.934 --> 01:00:09.797
[SPEAKER_01]: It forces her to grow up in a way she's never had to do before.

01:00:10.497 --> 01:00:18.305
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, and you know credit to the actor for being a dead body for like 10 hours and not blinking.

01:00:18.325 --> 01:00:19.146
[SPEAKER_01]: I was rough.

01:00:19.166 --> 01:00:20.668
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the shoe is dummy.

01:00:21.589 --> 01:00:23.150
[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, we both did.

01:00:23.190 --> 01:00:24.932
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, there's no way she would have blinked.

01:00:25.032 --> 01:00:25.893
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way.

01:00:25.913 --> 01:00:28.676
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did not move in a millimeter.

01:00:29.537 --> 01:00:30.538
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that.

01:00:31.497 --> 01:00:46.269
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I think that before this season, Joyce wasn't really a character that I, I literally said, uh, because I would forget what her name was and I said, oh, Joyce, because she does not bring me joy.

01:00:46.290 --> 01:01:01.082
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just because of at times how she literally found out that Buffy was a

01:01:01.298 --> 01:01:21.265
[SPEAKER_00]: and like how like oblivious she was to her daughter, which is kind of maddening when we go back to how present she seemed but don, which is my whole point of how the inequity is and how

01:01:21.245 --> 01:01:24.570
[SPEAKER_00]: absolutely like batshit annoying it is.

01:01:25.271 --> 01:01:31.619
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that I think that her death was needed for buffet.

01:01:31.659 --> 01:01:33.342
[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about this a lot throughout the season.

01:01:33.362 --> 01:01:42.414
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that a true every single hero that I've ever seen has experienced this sort of hardship or loss.

01:01:42.494 --> 01:01:43.135
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that

01:01:43.469 --> 01:01:47.556
[SPEAKER_00]: it makes the stakes a lot higher for our hero.

01:01:47.576 --> 01:01:52.305
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I asked the question, like, is there like a happy hero out there?

01:01:52.345 --> 01:01:59.377
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, I don't remember, I think somebody was like, oh, Superman, I'm like, that bastard is not that big.

01:01:59.718 --> 01:02:02.643
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't even hang out with a rock before the rock gets him.

01:02:02.683 --> 01:02:03.705
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

01:02:03.685 --> 01:02:04.707
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

01:02:05.028 --> 01:02:11.359
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like I think that she, I think I don't think that this is the last time we're going to see her.

01:02:11.419 --> 01:02:24.023
[SPEAKER_00]: I won't be surprised if we see her in, I don't know, either flashbacks or like buffies and some sort of,

01:02:24.391 --> 01:02:27.575
[SPEAKER_00]: after life seeing her in some intensity there.

01:02:27.995 --> 01:02:35.725
[SPEAKER_00]: I went up his prize of his year, but for my understanding, she, um, the actress did not want to be on the show anymore.

01:02:35.865 --> 01:02:41.572
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think that we're going to see her that much, but I went to be surprised if we saw her like one more one or two more times.

01:02:41.972 --> 01:02:42.332
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:42.352 --> 01:02:47.058
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and yeah, we saw her after she died this season in the like, uh, whatever.

01:02:47.078 --> 01:02:49.521
[SPEAKER_01]: The comma, the same or whatever.

01:02:49.501 --> 01:02:50.203
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:50.223 --> 01:02:52.449
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it was important.

01:02:52.950 --> 01:03:00.710
[SPEAKER_00]: I think her character ultimately was important because of what's to come for our our buffy.

01:03:00.991 --> 01:03:02.374
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

01:03:02.394 --> 01:03:04.540
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:03:04.520 --> 01:03:09.949
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's do we want to do we want to talk about Riley or Spike next?

01:03:10.009 --> 01:03:17.842
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about Riley because I think it's going to be a quick one too and I've talked about Riley to death as if like this man was actually my boyfriend.

01:03:18.483 --> 01:03:27.237
[SPEAKER_00]: So I also say that like I still think that Riley is a character and um

01:03:27.217 --> 01:03:31.971
[SPEAKER_00]: To me is interesting and endearing and somebody that we haven't seen before on the show.

01:03:31.991 --> 01:03:33.034
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's different.

01:03:33.776 --> 01:03:41.479
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think that he would have made a very good partner for Buffy and I think that.

01:03:42.657 --> 01:03:45.783
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that shit got the better of him.

01:03:45.843 --> 01:03:54.521
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he was in Sunnydale with no purpose, kind of like how Giles was in Sunnydale with no purpose.

01:03:54.541 --> 01:04:01.375
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, we see Giles debating if he wants to leave as well because he's essentially there for,

01:04:01.355 --> 01:04:24.008
[SPEAKER_00]: a girl, Buffy, that doesn't really need him, and I think Riley felt something very similar and while Jiles did find that purpose with him without Buffy, Riley felt like he needed to move on and go back to the military, and I think that that was the right choice for him.

01:04:24.609 --> 01:04:26.271
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I think about Riley.

01:04:26.311 --> 01:04:28.054
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand,

01:04:28.034 --> 01:04:49.258
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the weird vampire stuff like I really hated that that was like really annoying and really gross and I I didn't like it when he got all pissy that like Buffy was like stronger than him and like got all like upset about the angel shit all that was like really really really annoying.

01:04:49.278 --> 01:04:52.742
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was plot devices to get his character out of here.

01:04:52.975 --> 01:04:56.701
[SPEAKER_00]: because we didn't see flavors of that in season four, really, in my opinion.

01:04:56.741 --> 01:05:03.453
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it was, we had to kill his character a little bit for him to break up.

01:05:03.914 --> 01:05:07.520
[SPEAKER_00]: I blame the show, I don't blame my boy.

01:05:07.540 --> 01:05:09.924
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I have to say about Riley in that day.

01:05:09.944 --> 01:05:14.271
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not talking about Riley ever again, I'm not gonna talk, I'm not gonna say the name Riley, ever again.

01:05:14.311 --> 01:05:16.435
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I have to say about Riley.

01:05:16.415 --> 01:05:27.366
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I largely agree in terms of the vampire stuff with him getting his own blood sucked was annoying and dumb and whatever and the whole cheating as a cheating as it whatever.

01:05:27.426 --> 01:05:36.456
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was like it did feel utilitarian, like let's just do this so that we can move him off of the show and have focus on other things.

01:05:37.217 --> 01:05:42.422
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think it is interesting to have him serve a purpose of

01:05:43.263 --> 01:06:04.309
[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy paying the dues of having so much on her plate that something's got to give and, you know, paying attention and giving, giving attention and time to a relationship is going to be difficult when she has so much on her plate and I think that it made sense at least that that was a part of their story.

01:06:04.289 --> 01:06:12.622
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because of everything Puffy had going on, but yeah, I mean, the way in which Riley went off the show was annoying with the vampire stuff specifically.

01:06:12.722 --> 01:06:14.885
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mind the military stuff that made sense.

01:06:15.607 --> 01:06:20.955
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so the the stupid helicopter, go run to him, Buffy, why anyway, that was all.

01:06:22.057 --> 01:06:29.248
[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, she was like, you know, I don't really think that I can care about him by will run my will run to me for yeah, because it's I have to.

01:06:29.949 --> 01:06:32.052
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so that's not really.

01:06:32.032 --> 01:06:36.959
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't hear because the helicopters through loud too far too far away.

01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:37.300
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:06:37.500 --> 01:06:38.642
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:06:38.662 --> 01:06:39.944
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a little dumb, but.

01:06:40.144 --> 01:06:47.415
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, let's let's talk about Spike because I think that's my is super interesting because.

01:06:47.435 --> 01:06:51.360
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, we, I mean, we get a lot from him.

01:06:51.441 --> 01:06:54.445
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he is.

01:06:54.982 --> 01:06:56.985
[SPEAKER_00]: We we we see him.

01:06:57.025 --> 01:07:02.334
[SPEAKER_00]: He's he did he come back this season or was he back last season.

01:07:02.394 --> 01:07:05.999
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he was back lacks last season because that was the chip that was the chips.

01:07:06.080 --> 01:07:07.422
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he's still chip.

01:07:07.442 --> 01:07:14.593
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still dealing with that and he's he's found himself having a little crush on Buffy and

01:07:14.573 --> 01:07:17.238
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it starts all the way back in episode four.

01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:27.437
[SPEAKER_01]: When he has that dream about her, he does try to get anti-chipped for a while, but then it's like, he kind of forgets about it.

01:07:27.477 --> 01:07:30.523
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he kind of just moves on.

01:07:30.503 --> 01:07:40.445
[SPEAKER_01]: And I loved getting the full-for-love episode where we got to see Spike's origin story, specifically everything with Drucilla and Angel and Darla.

01:07:40.886 --> 01:07:45.897
[SPEAKER_01]: It was so interesting and really gave

01:07:45.877 --> 01:07:46.338
[SPEAKER_01]: him.

01:07:46.778 --> 01:07:52.144
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like really dimensionalized him in a way and just made him way more rootable.

01:07:52.164 --> 01:07:54.587
[SPEAKER_01]: I love spike this season.

01:07:54.807 --> 01:07:59.052
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought his relationship with Don, which we already touched on was really fascinating.

01:07:59.112 --> 01:08:07.221
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously some of the stuff he does is like very creepy, the shrine was so creepy, the buffy bot stuff was really gross.

01:08:08.823 --> 01:08:11.846
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I love his crush on buffy though.

01:08:11.986 --> 01:08:13.588
[SPEAKER_01]: I think

01:08:13.568 --> 01:08:14.029
[SPEAKER_01]: cute.

01:08:14.249 --> 01:08:20.778
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love his relationship with Joyce, listening to her stupid stories and bringing her flowers after she passes.

01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:29.451
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, and obviously we both loved the, in the finale, the, the line of, you know, you treat, I'm a monster, but you treat me like a man, right?

01:08:29.491 --> 01:08:31.033
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, that was great.

01:08:31.213 --> 01:08:33.737
[SPEAKER_01]: I think by this spike is such a fun

01:08:33.717 --> 01:08:42.546
[SPEAKER_01]: addition to the Scoobies because he has complicated like it's not he's not straight forward He's not a good guy.

01:08:42.566 --> 01:08:43.006
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.

01:08:43.046 --> 01:08:49.233
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a good guy, but he does feel like he's trying to be And I'm along for that journey.

01:08:49.333 --> 01:09:03.707
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's really fun and interesting and I love his relationship with Don I really hope they do more with it next season I hope that we don't just drop that completely because I think there is some there's a lot of stuff to mind

01:09:03.687 --> 01:09:05.190
[SPEAKER_01]: there between those two characters.

01:09:06.031 --> 01:09:10.740
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with a lot of what you're saying.

01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:24.565
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that well, if you know anything about me, you know that one of my greatest talents in life is that I am a expert, grudge holder, and I have been holding a grudge against

01:09:24.545 --> 01:09:29.269
[SPEAKER_00]: angel and all of the spuffy fans out there because Ruffy was right there.

01:09:29.730 --> 01:09:31.211
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I've appreciated it.

01:09:31.952 --> 01:09:53.792
[SPEAKER_00]: And I am ready in this in this stage of my life, I'm ready to let go of the grudge against Spike and just enjoy him and enjoy the character that he's going to become because

01:09:53.873 --> 01:10:11.390
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, took care of Joyce and Don and he was there at the final battle against glory and it was very like once again like was like very protective of Don and he I do.

01:10:11.410 --> 01:10:18.576
[SPEAKER_00]: I really do love that moment finale where Buffy lets him through them metaphoric and physical door.

01:10:18.717 --> 01:10:20.218
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that was.

01:10:21.008 --> 01:10:32.003
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really good, and I think that's only going to get better, and I really do, but I think we need to get harming out of the way.

01:10:32.023 --> 01:10:35.668
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he needed to get drew out of the way.

01:10:35.708 --> 01:10:44.299
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's such an interesting thing that he had drew and buffy tied up in his layer and was like,

01:10:45.173 --> 01:10:50.458
[SPEAKER_00]: because he's been obsessed with Drew once again since season two.

01:10:50.758 --> 01:10:58.205
[SPEAKER_00]: And like all he wanted was Drew to be his, because Drew was all over Angel Sloppy deck all over it.

01:10:58.245 --> 01:11:02.929
[SPEAKER_00]: And was like I, and he was like, he's like, I want my girl back.

01:11:02.949 --> 01:11:04.430
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was part of the deal.

01:11:04.811 --> 01:11:05.671
[SPEAKER_00]: That was part of the deal.

01:11:05.832 --> 01:11:06.993
[SPEAKER_00]: I will help you, Buffy.

01:11:07.473 --> 01:11:15.180
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you tell that I just watched the season two finale, like literally like yesterday

01:11:15.160 --> 01:11:22.131
[SPEAKER_00]: I, it's like, but a lot happened and that season finale that actually has to do with what we're talking about today.

01:11:23.753 --> 01:11:30.123
[SPEAKER_00]: But basically, he was like, and but he had them in the position and it was like, I am choosing you, Buffy.

01:11:30.243 --> 01:11:34.510
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I will kill Drew right, and I think he would have because he's fucking crazy.

01:11:34.550 --> 01:11:39.818
[SPEAKER_00]: No, man, he's literally a monster, but also he's.

01:11:39.798 --> 01:12:03.443
[SPEAKER_00]: So pathetic at times and such a was and I love love love seeing where he came from In this season in full for love seeing his backstory about like being this like pathetic little poet boy who writes a poem for a woman who is like

01:12:03.625 --> 01:12:04.447
[SPEAKER_00]: You're disgusting.

01:12:04.467 --> 01:12:05.870
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think about you.

01:12:05.891 --> 01:12:20.065
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Buffy literally says the same exact things and then seeing him like throughout the years with like the slayers that he's slayed I think that episode did a lot for me because.

01:12:20.045 --> 01:12:42.120
[SPEAKER_00]: I've said over and over again, my favorite spake moments are when he's like the underdog or like kind of like being a little bit pathetic like I find it funny and then once again kind of like done by the end of the season I get protected over spike I'm like I am in dear to him like I feel bad for him like there's things that like I don't like when

01:12:42.100 --> 01:12:47.770
[SPEAKER_00]: the Scooby's tree him this way or we're in like a feast being mean to him like it makes me sad.

01:12:47.810 --> 01:12:55.604
[SPEAKER_00]: So I I feel I I'm like a bleeding heart like I just like just felt for these like little idiots.

01:12:55.784 --> 01:12:59.912
[SPEAKER_00]: But um yeah yeah that is that's spiked story.

01:13:00.032 --> 01:13:00.733
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm

01:13:01.253 --> 01:13:05.168
[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, I'm very excited to see what comes of next season.

01:13:05.188 --> 01:13:09.987
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that things are going to be different.

01:13:10.128 --> 01:13:12.276
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a whole new world.

01:13:12.408 --> 01:13:19.279
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm really interested to see where they go with Spike if he'll ever get de-chipped, probably not, um, but I don't know, we'll see.

01:13:20.360 --> 01:13:22.764
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that concludes our character breakdowns.

01:13:23.105 --> 01:13:25.709
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get into our rankings.

01:13:26.229 --> 01:13:33.060
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm going to remind people where you stood midway through season five with your character rankings.

01:13:33.080 --> 01:13:33.561
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, boy.

01:13:33.961 --> 01:13:38.348
[SPEAKER_01]: Starting from the top down, you had on yet at number one.

01:13:38.328 --> 01:13:51.262
[SPEAKER_01]: Riley at number two, Zander at number three, Buffy, all the way down at four, Don at five, Tara at six, Giles at seven, Spike at eight, Willow at nine, and Joyce at 10.

01:13:53.124 --> 01:14:01.132
[SPEAKER_01]: At the very end, we decided we're not putting Riley in the character rankings for the second half because it doesn't make sense too, he's not there.

01:14:01.193 --> 01:14:05.237
[SPEAKER_01]: So, why don't you tell us you wanna go bottom to top?

01:14:05.357 --> 01:14:08.200
[SPEAKER_01]: Who is your least favorite of this season?

01:14:08.180 --> 01:14:34.812
[SPEAKER_00]: like Joyce obviously right like it's just like she's not really part of the show she's a pivotal part of the show but she's not really part of the group it's kind of unfair to rank her as well because well this is the last time we'll have to do it so true um i then have Willow for all the reasons that we've spoken about like she i think like i also kind of got a little

01:14:34.792 --> 01:14:54.623
[SPEAKER_00]: ruffled by the bulldozing because as somebody that like I don't I it made me feel uncomfortable to hear her speak to Tara and bulldozer bull bulldozer over her because I I feel like I I

01:14:54.788 --> 01:14:59.292
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I could have related to Tara in that situation.

01:14:59.352 --> 01:15:09.702
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very grateful my husband is not confrontational because if I was with somebody that was, I, excuse me, my husband's not confrontational with me.

01:15:09.742 --> 01:15:15.507
[SPEAKER_00]: Specifically, if you've listened to him on podcast, it's not the case, but he's not with me.

01:15:15.527 --> 01:15:22.213
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a gentle little soul and my good friends and my husband, you know this, you would never treat me like that.

01:15:22.193 --> 01:15:27.922
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't be taught to that way, but he annihilates everybody else.

01:15:28.203 --> 01:15:29.465
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand that.

01:15:30.767 --> 01:15:33.431
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I have Tara because of once again.

01:15:33.631 --> 01:15:35.254
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't dislike her at all.

01:15:35.334 --> 01:15:40.883
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she's like an interesting and dear and character, but they don't give her that much.

01:15:41.223 --> 01:15:42.345
[SPEAKER_00]: And

01:15:42.325 --> 01:15:45.331
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like the way the way it is, you know what I mean?

01:15:45.351 --> 01:15:53.088
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, now I might be like a little delusional and once again, like am I matter her probably.

01:15:53.108 --> 01:15:54.010
[SPEAKER_00]: I have on here.

01:15:54.050 --> 01:15:55.854
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's like necessarily fair.

01:15:55.934 --> 01:16:02.528
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I just like I'm thinking of the second half of the season and just getting like

01:16:02.508 --> 01:16:04.131
[SPEAKER_00]: tired of the of the bed.

01:16:04.311 --> 01:16:05.032
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

01:16:05.713 --> 01:16:08.477
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want I want more from Ania, but I love her.

01:16:08.578 --> 01:16:09.138
[SPEAKER_00]: I still do.

01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:11.963
[SPEAKER_00]: I really really do like she's a great character.

01:16:12.063 --> 01:16:16.109
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like kind of over her spiel at this moment of my life.

01:16:17.231 --> 01:16:18.052
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I have jiles.

01:16:18.353 --> 01:16:24.162
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he probably got the bump because of the of the

01:16:24.142 --> 01:16:34.321
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, plus like, since you did the last rankings, like he had all the stuff with Buffy, really coming in, like, and helping her a lot emotionally, and then the Ripper stuff.

01:16:34.362 --> 01:16:35.905
[SPEAKER_01]: So it makes sense that he would have moved up.

01:16:36.245 --> 01:16:42.437
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have zander next because I think that once again, like I think that.

01:16:42.417 --> 01:16:57.186
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all of his moments, I think that he is either actually funny, making jokes that actually I think are pretty funny, or he is everybody's support system and goes around he's he's very caring.

01:16:57.467 --> 01:16:58.709
[SPEAKER_00]: I like what he's doing.

01:16:58.829 --> 01:16:59.891
[SPEAKER_00]: I like his growth.

01:17:00.934 --> 01:17:04.240
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, once again, I think that this is like,

01:17:04.220 --> 01:17:23.437
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I am on something, but I put Spike in my third position and I think it's people who are thinking I'm crazy, but because I am, but also, like, come on, he's turned that doorway and he was like, Buffy, you see me as a person.

01:17:23.537 --> 01:17:26.620
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody else has ever seen me as a person in my life.

01:17:27.241 --> 01:17:34.227
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, even even my girlfriend from my 500 years ago told me

01:17:34.207 --> 01:17:36.770
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I feel so bad for Spike.

01:17:36.850 --> 01:17:47.743
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to hold him and be like, you are your dirt bag, but like you're like my dirt bag, you dirt bag, but also he's a terrible boyfriend, really awful.

01:17:48.444 --> 01:17:52.469
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hate that he throws tombstones, not many.

01:17:52.509 --> 01:17:53.570
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really bad.

01:17:53.610 --> 01:18:01.480
[SPEAKER_00]: We shouldn't be doing that.

01:18:01.460 --> 01:18:06.806
[SPEAKER_00]: He does not do that in season six, despite very well might be my number one favorite character.

01:18:07.367 --> 01:18:07.968
[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows?

01:18:08.208 --> 01:18:09.950
[SPEAKER_00]: The world's anything's possible.

01:18:09.970 --> 01:18:10.451
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's possible.

01:18:10.691 --> 01:18:11.452
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I have Buffy.

01:18:11.712 --> 01:18:12.313
[SPEAKER_00]: Buffy's great.

01:18:12.453 --> 01:18:17.639
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, she's, like, too bad she's dead whenever she again, but like she's great.

01:18:17.660 --> 01:18:28.432
[SPEAKER_00]: She, like, saves the world such an important and powerful female character for, like, people my age and older and younger to see on our TV screens.

01:18:28.953 --> 01:18:30.555
[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing to see like a female

01:18:30.535 --> 01:18:32.378
[SPEAKER_00]: hero in this capacity.

01:18:32.459 --> 01:18:48.088
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't really think of anybody else that I think is as cool as her and that in that capacity nobody's going to share about Wonder Woman nobody nobody ever has and then finally I have done number one for all the reasons that we talked about phenomenal character from nominal actress

01:18:48.068 --> 01:18:50.292
[SPEAKER_00]: such an interesting twist in storyline.

01:18:51.133 --> 01:18:55.821
[SPEAKER_00]: We really should have glory in here because honestly, glory was phenomenal in the season.

01:18:55.841 --> 01:19:00.849
[SPEAKER_00]: And very well could have been my favorite character at parts and times.

01:19:00.949 --> 01:19:05.016
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was so cool, such as, whatever, that's it.

01:19:05.076 --> 01:19:05.777
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my rankings.

01:19:06.218 --> 01:19:10.465
[SPEAKER_00]: So Dawn, Buffy, Spikes, Andorjao, Zanya, Taro, well, Joyce.

01:19:10.445 --> 01:19:22.428
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, biggest biggest takeaways from your the changes are obviously spike jumping up in the rankings and uh, and yeah, I mean, on your dropping quite a bit.

01:19:23.310 --> 01:19:29.702
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, so previously for mine, I had on yet at the top then Buffy Xander spike.

01:19:29.682 --> 01:19:34.086
[SPEAKER_01]: Giles, Don, Tara, Willow, Joyce, and Riley.

01:19:34.667 --> 01:19:40.052
[SPEAKER_01]: And our list looked remarkably similar this season, which I think is interesting as they usually aren't.

01:19:40.492 --> 01:19:44.977
[SPEAKER_01]: So similar, at the very bottom, I had Joyce for all the reasons you mentioned.

01:19:45.097 --> 01:19:46.618
[SPEAKER_01]: She's more of a plot device.

01:19:46.819 --> 01:19:52.884
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say, then like a full on Scooby-Member, Willow is second to last.

01:19:53.385 --> 01:19:55.487
[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, I really want to love Willow more.

01:19:55.467 --> 01:20:00.918
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish she would stop doing things that made me dislike her to make me put her all the way at the bottom of this list.

01:20:01.379 --> 01:20:08.033
[SPEAKER_01]: Then Tara largely because she's more of a supporting role, she doesn't have a ton of agency all on her own.

01:20:08.474 --> 01:20:11.400
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of forced to have her in this position.

01:20:11.380 --> 01:20:14.726
[SPEAKER_01]: The next two are very much waffled with where to put them.

01:20:14.746 --> 01:20:18.393
[SPEAKER_01]: I ended up going with Zander at this spot and I know that seems low.

01:20:18.433 --> 01:20:19.134
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing.

01:20:19.335 --> 01:20:20.577
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't hate Zander.

01:20:20.958 --> 01:20:23.102
[SPEAKER_01]: I just really loved the other characters more.

01:20:23.142 --> 01:20:27.550
[SPEAKER_01]: And as much as I thought this was Zander's best season.

01:20:27.530 --> 01:20:30.753
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think the other characters, I enjoyed more.

01:20:31.775 --> 01:20:35.519
[SPEAKER_01]: So I had Onya right above Zander, but I really could go either way with them.

01:20:35.559 --> 01:20:38.842
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I really could swap them back and forth.

01:20:38.982 --> 01:20:53.638
[SPEAKER_01]: I ended up putting Onya over Zander because probably solely because of the body and Onya's little speech in that episode, I just adored it, I thought, I just really was related to her strongly in her,

01:20:53.618 --> 01:20:56.444
[SPEAKER_01]: her kind of grief and how she was dealing with it.

01:20:57.487 --> 01:20:58.328
[SPEAKER_01]: Next I have Giles.

01:20:59.411 --> 01:21:01.816
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Reasonsy bias because of the Ripper of it all?

01:21:02.257 --> 01:21:05.003
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably, but I make no apologies.

01:21:05.103 --> 01:21:06.346
[SPEAKER_01]: He's fourth on my list.

01:21:06.406 --> 01:21:06.847
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.

01:21:08.070 --> 01:21:09.433
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I have Spike.

01:21:09.413 --> 01:21:10.535
[SPEAKER_01]: I love Spike the season.

01:21:10.815 --> 01:21:13.059
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ruining for Spuffy all the way baby.

01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:15.623
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, I just love him.

01:21:15.963 --> 01:21:20.310
[SPEAKER_01]: I love a cheeky little villain that is trying to be a reformed body.

01:21:20.490 --> 01:21:21.552
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what can I say?

01:21:22.473 --> 01:21:23.455
[SPEAKER_01]: In second, I have Buffy.

01:21:23.475 --> 01:21:28.603
[SPEAKER_01]: I think from the loss of her mom on like,

01:21:28.583 --> 01:21:32.250
[SPEAKER_01]: just 10 to 10 in terms of acting in terms of everything she's going through.

01:21:32.270 --> 01:21:35.557
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she's so, there's so much she has to deal with.

01:21:36.038 --> 01:21:38.843
[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be insane to not have her near the top of the list.

01:21:39.404 --> 01:21:40.326
[SPEAKER_01]: And number one I have done.

01:21:40.346 --> 01:21:46.719
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like both as a newly introduced character of the season, there is just like so much it.

01:21:46.739 --> 01:21:50.406
[SPEAKER_01]: She really is like fighting an uphill battle.

01:21:50.386 --> 01:21:54.233
[SPEAKER_01]: and Michelle Trackhamberg does such an incredible job as Dawn.

01:21:55.095 --> 01:21:55.996
[SPEAKER_01]: I adored her.

01:21:56.016 --> 01:22:03.069
[SPEAKER_01]: I could not love her more and I'm really happy she didn't die at the end of the season because I get more of her in season six.

01:22:03.249 --> 01:22:08.499
[SPEAKER_01]: So Dawn number one, which like for both of us to have Dawn number one is wild.

01:22:09.381 --> 01:22:13.508
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, look how much we agree when

01:22:13.488 --> 01:22:16.011
[SPEAKER_01]: that our word is non the mix.

01:22:16.031 --> 01:22:16.552
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that.

01:22:16.692 --> 01:22:17.393
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that.

01:22:17.774 --> 01:22:17.934
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:22:18.635 --> 01:22:34.336
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, we probably should have, I mean, we never include the villains in our rankings, but we do have our own separate villain ranking, um, which currently, uh, we are almost, almost, no, almost didn't have to go.

01:22:34.376 --> 01:22:34.756
[SPEAKER_01]: Not quite.

01:22:35.437 --> 01:22:41.565
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I've daddy van sclery Drulu and jealous the mayor spike Adam and the anointed one.

01:22:41.585 --> 01:22:42.887
[SPEAKER_01]: So I ended up

01:22:42.867 --> 01:22:45.958
[SPEAKER_01]: at number two underneath.

01:22:46.107 --> 01:22:49.932
[SPEAKER_00]: the one and only daddy and they know when can dethrone him nobody.

01:22:49.952 --> 01:23:06.214
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter how interesting and powerful and hot attractive and scary and evil and amazing and all the adjectives that are created you are.

01:23:06.254 --> 01:23:10.320
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not tiny bumps.

01:23:10.761 --> 01:23:15.507
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have for a punch mouth,

01:23:15.487 --> 01:23:24.897
[SPEAKER_00]: villain that I've ever seen in my TV screen and that at times I wanted her to win because Daddy Bams is number one because we made it a lion's a very long time ago.

01:23:24.917 --> 01:23:25.338
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.

01:23:25.358 --> 01:23:26.099
[SPEAKER_00]: He's number one.

01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:26.679
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:23:26.699 --> 01:23:36.430
[SPEAKER_00]: And we won't we won't turn our back on Daddy Bams number like Angela's did and never I would never just respect him in that one.

01:23:36.450 --> 01:23:37.071
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

01:23:37.391 --> 01:23:39.794
[SPEAKER_00]: We are his true children.

01:23:39.854 --> 01:23:40.895
[SPEAKER_00]: We are his children.

01:23:40.915 --> 01:23:43.038
[SPEAKER_00]: I have the same.

01:23:43.458 --> 01:23:45.240
[SPEAKER_00]: I

01:23:45.220 --> 01:23:47.762
[SPEAKER_00]: a second to worst villain.

01:23:47.782 --> 01:23:49.664
[SPEAKER_00]: You haven't below Adam, but just crazy.

01:23:49.864 --> 01:23:52.567
[SPEAKER_00]: No, the reason is, because Spike is not a villain.

01:23:52.647 --> 01:23:53.507
[SPEAKER_00]: I refuse.

01:23:53.628 --> 01:23:54.969
[SPEAKER_00]: And he more, not anymore.

01:23:55.009 --> 01:24:04.477
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't then either, like even in season two, he was just fucking around the whole time in his wheelchair, like, come on.

01:24:05.018 --> 01:24:07.740
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I refuse to be like, he's a villain.

01:24:08.201 --> 01:24:09.582
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, glib globs.

01:24:09.742 --> 01:24:15.227
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a very good time with the glib globs.

01:24:15.207 --> 01:24:16.309
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

01:24:16.469 --> 01:24:17.712
[SPEAKER_01]: We're so fun to make fun of.

01:24:17.832 --> 01:24:21.098
[SPEAKER_00]: They were probably my favorite minions if we had a minion ranking.

01:24:21.619 --> 01:24:22.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, interesting.

01:24:22.922 --> 01:24:24.585
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't have to think about that.

01:24:25.286 --> 01:24:26.308
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the minion.

01:24:26.328 --> 01:24:27.450
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're great minions.

01:24:27.551 --> 01:24:27.851
[SPEAKER_01]: I did.

01:24:27.871 --> 01:24:28.753
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Darla though.

01:24:28.853 --> 01:24:31.538
[SPEAKER_01]: Darla, I think is technically a minion of daddy games.

01:24:32.881 --> 01:24:34.043
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh-huh.

01:24:34.445 --> 01:24:36.048
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she would be my number one minion.

01:24:40.237 --> 01:24:42.742
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's a surprise to anyone we both have done here.

01:24:43.223 --> 01:24:44.505
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

01:24:44.525 --> 01:24:45.247
[SPEAKER_00]: She's incredible.

01:24:45.708 --> 01:24:50.277
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, you know, great new addition.

01:24:50.257 --> 01:24:52.680
[SPEAKER_00]: And the season, I mean, she was the key.

01:24:52.740 --> 01:24:54.662
[SPEAKER_00]: The season wouldn't be the season without her.

01:24:55.363 --> 01:24:57.806
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, LVP of the season.

01:24:58.688 --> 01:25:01.091
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Willow, but I'm not sorry, because stopping a dick.

01:25:01.611 --> 01:25:03.173
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we both had her there.

01:25:03.594 --> 01:25:06.197
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a feeling that, like, it won't be the last time.

01:25:06.217 --> 01:25:06.798
[SPEAKER_00]: But she's her LVP.

01:25:06.818 --> 01:25:07.499
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you share together, Willow?

01:25:07.519 --> 01:25:14.307
[SPEAKER_01]: Willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow, willow,

01:25:14.287 --> 01:25:18.453
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do that, but like stop being a dick.

01:25:18.473 --> 01:25:20.055
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, stop being a dick.

01:25:20.175 --> 01:25:20.937
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop being a idiot.

01:25:20.977 --> 01:25:23.460
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop doing bad things and I'll put you higher on my rankings.

01:25:24.161 --> 01:25:26.645
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.

01:25:26.725 --> 01:25:30.650
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like she's she's just bad bad to the bone.

01:25:31.151 --> 01:25:31.772
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:25:32.174 --> 01:25:34.497
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, least favorite episodes.

01:25:34.537 --> 01:25:42.489
[SPEAKER_01]: We both, we were kind of chatting about this offline and we both kind of said like, we don't disactively dislike any of these episodes.

01:25:42.629 --> 01:25:45.193
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just they're not as good as everything else.

01:25:45.233 --> 01:25:54.867
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there isn't of the pack, you know, like there isn't an episode where I'm like, fuck, booze, you know, it just, yeah, yeah, something.

01:25:54.887 --> 01:26:00.696
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's episodes that we probably wouldn't watch again, but not because of the same reason as the packed.

01:26:00.862 --> 01:26:01.162
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:26:01.383 --> 01:26:07.249
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a triangle, which was the one where like, uh, Ania's exploit friend comes out.

01:26:07.669 --> 01:26:07.910
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:26:07.930 --> 01:26:11.173
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a fight between Ania and Willow just because I was so over at that point.

01:26:11.193 --> 01:26:13.636
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, go stop being mean to Ania, stop it.

01:26:13.676 --> 01:26:14.737
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like her into the group.

01:26:15.038 --> 01:26:22.826
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a two, but I also said like, however, the hammer that was introduced in that episode.

01:26:23.287 --> 01:26:23.927
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:26:24.268 --> 01:26:30.835
[SPEAKER_00]: And later showed up in the finale and was one of the main reasons why Buffy was able to defeat glory.

01:26:30.815 --> 01:26:34.239
[SPEAKER_00]: made all the difference, like a made it worth it.

01:26:35.921 --> 01:26:42.989
[SPEAKER_01]: I also had Buffy versus Dracula, which was the premiere, because I was like kind of met on it when I was thinking about it, and like this was like kind of a whole hum premiere.

01:26:43.770 --> 01:26:48.456
[SPEAKER_01]: And I also put the replacement, which is one of two zanders, because again, like I couldn't be ours, like I just I couldn't care.

01:26:49.677 --> 01:26:56.265
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was my list of least favorites, which again, it's not like offensive episodes, it's just like whatever, you know, whatever.

01:26:57.916 --> 01:27:00.621
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, you had the triangle.

01:27:00.822 --> 01:27:04.208
[SPEAKER_01]: You had the body, which is interesting.

01:27:04.228 --> 01:27:04.328
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:27:04.368 --> 01:27:07.094
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is this is like, um, it okay.

01:27:07.114 --> 01:27:08.156
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not about episode.

01:27:08.176 --> 01:27:12.324
[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people say that this is their favorite episodes or one of the best episodes.

01:27:12.825 --> 01:27:14.608
[SPEAKER_00]: I just it's it's it's.

01:27:14.588 --> 01:27:15.189
[SPEAKER_00]: too hard.

01:27:15.530 --> 01:27:16.371
[SPEAKER_00]: It's too hard for me.

01:27:16.471 --> 01:27:17.253
[SPEAKER_00]: It's too uncomfortable.

01:27:17.293 --> 01:27:18.335
[SPEAKER_00]: It's too hard for me to watch.

01:27:18.876 --> 01:27:21.681
[SPEAKER_00]: I did a twice and I just can't.

01:27:21.841 --> 01:27:22.582
[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't.

01:27:22.723 --> 01:27:24.566
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just too much for me.

01:27:24.807 --> 01:27:28.413
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's once again, I acknowledge it's not a bad episode.

01:27:28.934 --> 01:27:32.260
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the question is, what is your least favorite episode?

01:27:32.240 --> 01:27:34.184
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my favorite episode.

01:27:34.324 --> 01:27:35.106
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very fair.

01:27:35.246 --> 01:27:39.094
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I also love your note of for out of my mind, rude to Riley.

01:27:40.116 --> 01:27:40.677
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're good.

01:27:40.757 --> 01:27:41.840
[SPEAKER_00]: They were rude to Riley.

01:27:42.040 --> 01:27:44.405
[SPEAKER_00]: It was also the start of his very bad behavior.

01:27:44.505 --> 01:27:46.609
[SPEAKER_00]: He was very ill episode.

01:27:46.870 --> 01:27:51.379
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like at the end, it's like spike wakes up and it's the.

01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:52.641
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

01:27:52.741 --> 01:27:53.943
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the question of the question.

01:27:53.983 --> 01:27:54.844
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, Oh, no.

01:27:55.084 --> 01:27:55.786
[SPEAKER_00]: This is bad.

01:27:55.826 --> 01:27:56.426
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:27:56.446 --> 01:27:58.029
[SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah.

01:27:58.109 --> 01:28:03.958
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like my last least favorite episode is the penultimate episode, the way to the world.

01:28:04.138 --> 01:28:08.344
[SPEAKER_00]: And mostly because it like just slow down the excitement and the rhythm.

01:28:08.384 --> 01:28:18.299
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, which I think it was intentional, like I think they did on purpose, but also like I did not like the loop that we were stuck in with Willow and Buffy.

01:28:18.419 --> 01:28:19.881
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like very.

01:28:19.861 --> 01:28:21.564
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's very annoying?

01:28:21.624 --> 01:28:23.448
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm with you on that.

01:28:24.149 --> 01:28:34.769
[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of favorite episodes, we had a lot of the same full for love, which was Spike's origin story, no place like home, which was finding out about the Dawn Key twist.

01:28:35.690 --> 01:28:41.481
[SPEAKER_01]: And you had family, the Terrabak story, one, which was really lovely.

01:28:41.461 --> 01:28:51.551
[SPEAKER_01]: And I obviously have the body, but I put a note of obviously I don't ever need to watch it again, but I thought it was like incredible storytelling, but I don't ever want to see it again.

01:28:51.571 --> 01:28:57.677
[SPEAKER_01]: I also had the Buffy Bot episode of Intervention, and we both had the finale.

01:28:58.017 --> 01:28:59.619
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, it's an incredible finale.

01:28:59.639 --> 01:29:00.480
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the finale.

01:29:00.780 --> 01:29:02.842
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think it's probably the best finale.

01:29:02.862 --> 01:29:07.067
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't watched rewatch all the finale's to confirm that.

01:29:07.487 --> 01:29:10.590
[SPEAKER_00]: I obviously I only made it to season two.

01:29:10.570 --> 01:29:30.418
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was, I was the only thing I was managed to, um, to reference, but I have, um, full of love just so, it was so fun, um, to see that spike backstory and, uh, like, when I was like, oh, spike was a dream,

01:29:30.398 --> 01:29:32.302
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I get it now.

01:29:32.342 --> 01:29:33.364
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:29:33.425 --> 01:29:34.346
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm in it.

01:29:34.387 --> 01:29:37.253
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was great.

01:29:37.453 --> 01:29:42.825
[SPEAKER_00]: No place like home, just like the twist, funny out about Dawn.

01:29:43.005 --> 01:29:45.470
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that was like so mind-blowing.

01:29:45.490 --> 01:29:46.813
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I have family.

01:29:47.014 --> 01:29:49.960
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think like the thing about family.

01:29:49.940 --> 01:30:00.384
[SPEAKER_00]: I said it's like it's almost more so a moment rather than an episode and it's at the end where everybody comes together and Buffy is like, we are her family.

01:30:00.424 --> 01:30:01.567
[SPEAKER_00]: We are Tara's family.

01:30:01.748 --> 01:30:07.982
[SPEAKER_00]: We as a group are united for Tara and I thought that that was just such a

01:30:09.380 --> 01:30:24.705
[SPEAKER_00]: like important moment, a really good moment, especially seeing kind of like buffies and difference towards Tara previously to then and like it being a strain on her and Willow's relationship almost for Willow was like

01:30:24.685 --> 01:30:36.145
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like you don't acknowledge like my relationship with Tara, but you know, like I that my answer is I don't think that Buffy acknowledges her relationships with anybody's relationship.

01:30:36.285 --> 01:30:39.992
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's very focused on her own shit at times because she has a lot of shit going on.

01:30:40.633 --> 01:30:44.279
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think that there was like a lot of good episodes.

01:30:44.299 --> 01:30:46.643
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have anything else that you want to talk about?

01:30:47.298 --> 01:30:55.475
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, I also had crush on my list because that was when Rululu made her return and Buffy finds out about spikes crushed and all that.

01:30:55.495 --> 01:30:56.637
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought it was a fun episode.

01:30:57.940 --> 01:31:04.454
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's get into the predictions that we each made for this season and see if any of them came true.

01:31:04.474 --> 01:31:06.538
[SPEAKER_01]: I did very well.

01:31:06.518 --> 01:31:07.240
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.

01:31:07.460 --> 01:31:08.202
[SPEAKER_01]: Sarah, you said.

01:31:08.282 --> 01:31:10.287
[SPEAKER_01]: Giles finally gets a job at the university.

01:31:10.327 --> 01:31:11.670
[SPEAKER_01]: No.

01:31:12.392 --> 01:31:12.572
[SPEAKER_01]: No.

01:31:13.193 --> 01:31:17.964
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, he gets into his riberness becomes a badass that happened in the last episode, I guess.

01:31:19.187 --> 01:31:24.780
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to try and have it all in dates and maybe become serious with someone, which no, did not happen.

01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:27.645
[SPEAKER_01]: Zander gets into sunny daily university.

01:31:27.786 --> 01:31:29.769
[SPEAKER_01]: Onions of said he's not paying more attention to her.

01:31:29.809 --> 01:31:32.434
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody does find a good career path.

01:31:33.336 --> 01:31:34.278
[SPEAKER_01]: Onions, Zander break up.

01:31:34.398 --> 01:31:35.981
[SPEAKER_01]: Onions wants to get back into vengeance.

01:31:36.001 --> 01:31:36.862
[SPEAKER_01]: That did not happen.

01:31:37.544 --> 01:31:40.008
[SPEAKER_01]: Willow and Tara progress in their relationship and move in.

01:31:40.088 --> 01:31:40.970
[SPEAKER_01]: They do move in together.

01:31:41.431 --> 01:31:42.533
[SPEAKER_01]: So that happened.

01:31:42.513 --> 01:31:47.440
[SPEAKER_01]: Onya and Buffy are rumies to mirror Buffy's dream on you goes to school too.

01:31:47.480 --> 01:31:48.141
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.

01:31:48.161 --> 01:31:48.221
[SPEAKER_01]: No.

01:31:48.862 --> 01:31:52.848
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember what Rumi, like what dream?

01:31:52.988 --> 01:31:53.529
[SPEAKER_00]: I was right.

01:31:53.549 --> 01:31:55.752
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it the one with like her in faith making the bed?

01:31:55.772 --> 01:31:57.655
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.

01:31:58.296 --> 01:31:59.778
[SPEAKER_01]: We find out who is making the bed.

01:31:59.798 --> 01:32:01.120
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the making the bed for?

01:32:01.320 --> 01:32:06.327
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, but also I like they No, they were making the bed for faith

01:32:07.387 --> 01:32:09.010
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they were making no, never mind.

01:32:09.350 --> 01:32:10.892
[SPEAKER_00]: They were making the bet for Dawn, I'm sorry.

01:32:11.273 --> 01:32:14.458
[SPEAKER_00]: She was making the bed with faith or Dawn.

01:32:14.498 --> 01:32:15.059
[SPEAKER_00]: We're sorry.

01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:20.067
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Buffy and Riley break up midseason or before differences in worldviews.

01:32:20.107 --> 01:32:25.636
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll make me sad, but it'll probably be time for a Buffy to be more interested in a toxic relationship and wine and cry when it sucks.

01:32:26.337 --> 01:32:27.859
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's an ex-sasem, yeah.

01:32:28.700 --> 01:32:33.349
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, Tara's secret is revealed and it's not as bad as she thinks it is.

01:32:33.770 --> 01:32:34.632
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's true.

01:32:34.652 --> 01:32:35.433
[SPEAKER_01]: I was that happens.

01:32:35.473 --> 01:32:36.255
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it happens.

01:32:36.275 --> 01:32:37.057
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Tara's secret.

01:32:37.077 --> 01:32:38.479
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't even have a secret.

01:32:38.580 --> 01:32:40.283
[SPEAKER_01]: No, she thought she was demon and she wasn't.

01:32:40.764 --> 01:32:41.545
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, her secret.

01:32:41.786 --> 01:32:42.648
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fizzled.

01:32:42.668 --> 01:32:43.409
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:32:43.429 --> 01:32:45.533
[SPEAKER_01]: Willow comes out to her family question mark.

01:32:45.553 --> 01:32:48.479
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, dark willow or dark buffy.

01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:49.762
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been waiting for this.

01:32:50.183 --> 01:32:50.944
[SPEAKER_01]: No.

01:32:50.924 --> 01:32:53.090
[SPEAKER_01]: Do we even end the season in college?

01:32:53.130 --> 01:32:55.676
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this will be our last college season snaps.

01:32:56.278 --> 01:32:56.960
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

01:32:57.040 --> 01:33:00.148
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, obviously left college.

01:33:00.950 --> 01:33:03.777
[SPEAKER_00]: Willow still in college, but I don't think that you get willow at college.

01:33:03.818 --> 01:33:04.580
[SPEAKER_00]: She loves school.

01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:05.362
[SPEAKER_01]: She loves school.

01:33:05.402 --> 01:33:06.244
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that's not going to happen.

01:33:06.324 --> 01:33:06.705
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:33:06.685 --> 01:33:08.968
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, for me, give me an ooze demon.

01:33:09.028 --> 01:33:11.811
[SPEAKER_01]: I did get a demon that had ooze, but he was a chaos demon.

01:33:11.871 --> 01:33:16.497
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, Buffy breaks faith out of jail because she's her only hope against a big bad.

01:33:16.617 --> 01:33:17.418
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish that it happened.

01:33:17.959 --> 01:33:19.982
[SPEAKER_01]: Courty makes an appearance on Buffy, no.

01:33:20.022 --> 01:33:23.666
[SPEAKER_01]: We are seeding Buffy in spike, and they kiss at least once.

01:33:24.387 --> 01:33:25.709
[SPEAKER_01]: Chitching, chitching.

01:33:26.550 --> 01:33:30.515
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, completely tear a centric episode where we learn she used to be an evil witch.

01:33:30.535 --> 01:33:31.996
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, partly right now.

01:33:32.177 --> 01:33:32.457
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of.

01:33:32.437 --> 01:33:34.341
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, please God fix rat Amy.

01:33:34.682 --> 01:33:35.564
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not devastating.

01:33:35.744 --> 01:33:36.385
[SPEAKER_01]: Devastating.

01:33:36.405 --> 01:33:37.247
[SPEAKER_01]: That didn't happen yet.

01:33:38.029 --> 01:33:39.612
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Giles gets a job as a professor.

01:33:39.852 --> 01:33:42.518
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Tara and Willow get a third which in their crew.

01:33:42.538 --> 01:33:43.360
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish.

01:33:44.181 --> 01:33:46.146
[SPEAKER_01]: Zander fucks things up with onion temporarily.

01:33:46.326 --> 01:33:48.049
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely not to Riley gets recruited.

01:33:48.070 --> 01:33:49.753
[SPEAKER_01]: It's some government thing.

01:33:49.733 --> 01:33:52.435
[SPEAKER_01]: That was correct, and leaves within the first three episodes, incorrect.

01:33:52.916 --> 01:33:55.538
[SPEAKER_01]: Greek life for Chersey's buffy pledges, no.

01:33:56.099 --> 01:33:58.020
[SPEAKER_01]: Zander starts watch her training, no.

01:33:58.200 --> 01:34:00.042
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone polymorphs into an animal.

01:34:00.863 --> 01:34:01.163
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no.

01:34:01.984 --> 01:34:04.126
[SPEAKER_01]: Big bad is someone spike has a history with.

01:34:04.466 --> 01:34:06.307
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a vampire, but something else immortal.

01:34:06.388 --> 01:34:07.428
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's correct.

01:34:07.989 --> 01:34:08.970
[SPEAKER_01]: Ferry's finally, no.

01:34:10.091 --> 01:34:16.156
[SPEAKER_01]: Onya and Spike kiss very briefly, but onya thinks Zander is a better kisser.

01:34:16.176 --> 01:34:16.576
[SPEAKER_00]: We're Zander.

01:34:16.596 --> 01:34:17.777
[SPEAKER_00]: We're Zander on each day at the wall.

01:34:17.797 --> 01:34:18.458
[SPEAKER_01]: I was.

01:34:18.438 --> 01:34:20.701
[SPEAKER_01]: Zander family backstory episode.

01:34:20.782 --> 01:34:23.526
[SPEAKER_01]: No animated episode where they get high accidentally know.

01:34:23.686 --> 01:34:25.449
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think you were just high in your life.

01:34:26.090 --> 01:34:27.752
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever, just throw one shit out of the wall.

01:34:28.053 --> 01:34:29.956
[SPEAKER_01]: Miscafe and Tastico as an anime guest.

01:34:29.976 --> 01:34:31.518
[SPEAKER_01]: That also did not happen.

01:34:33.341 --> 01:34:35.905
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, all in all neither of us did very well, I would say.

01:34:36.746 --> 01:34:38.989
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to walk us through your season six?

01:34:39.009 --> 01:34:39.951
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, prediction.

01:34:40.231 --> 01:34:41.433
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is curated.

01:34:41.713 --> 01:34:43.416
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually thought

01:34:43.565 --> 01:34:44.326
[SPEAKER_00]: about this.

01:34:44.626 --> 01:34:47.630
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great, not to be an asshole.

01:34:47.890 --> 01:34:50.974
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, Buffy's not dead, duh.

01:34:51.475 --> 01:34:58.143
[SPEAKER_00]: She's probably in purgatory or the medium place if you are a good place, watch her and has to fight her way back.

01:34:58.303 --> 01:35:05.252
[SPEAKER_00]: Another idea is that we see all the layers of the past in one place and she gets more insight in how the

01:35:05.232 --> 01:35:14.621
[SPEAKER_00]: or their downfalls and gets like more insight and learns, they tell her that she's different and special, and she has to go back and fight and save the world.

01:35:15.382 --> 01:35:20.106
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, back to a previously idea that I had, she can't be killed.

01:35:20.446 --> 01:35:29.335
[SPEAKER_00]: She is something different, and wherever she is, another dimension, an underworld, a purgatory, like it just can't kill her.

01:35:29.835 --> 01:35:34.800
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's back to Sunnydale by episode five.

01:35:34.780 --> 01:35:38.006
[SPEAKER_00]: I say five because five is safe.

01:35:38.286 --> 01:35:41.792
[SPEAKER_00]: Willows magic gets out of control and gets power hungry.

01:35:42.193 --> 01:35:50.508
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty much been building since season two, where I watch the season finale of season two, and I am apparently a season two expert as of today.

01:35:50.548 --> 01:35:56.518
[SPEAKER_00]: And evil willow, big bad of season six, question mark.

01:35:56.498 --> 01:36:26.218
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and then I had another idea, maybe, just maybe, she's partially possessed for years from a spoke on wrong because we know she's a shitty witch and she is like possessed by an evil entity magical force and that's why she sucks so badly at all times like why she's like so mean at times and like bulldozes people and like we have to like exercise those demons out of her like what do you think about that that's a rhetorical question you don't have to answer.

01:36:26.198 --> 01:36:34.792
[SPEAKER_00]: Tara and Willow break up, set face onya and zander fight over the wedding because onya wants it to be like super extra and zanders a poor.

01:36:34.853 --> 01:36:43.287
[SPEAKER_00]: And I say I think that there are these two were going to continue being like the lightness comic relief in an otherwise dark season.

01:36:43.327 --> 01:36:51.801
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I say does it on a does the onya die by the end of season of the season for the stakes sake.

01:36:52.338 --> 01:36:59.969
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I have another Jiles Ripper backstory flashback plus more cool bat as repersuff in situations like the Ben killing.

01:37:00.609 --> 01:37:02.051
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's time Jiles because it's girly.

01:37:02.332 --> 01:37:03.574
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a repeat thing.

01:37:03.594 --> 01:37:05.837
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't read like my previous predictions.

01:37:05.997 --> 01:37:09.342
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just very focused on Jiles finding love.

01:37:09.362 --> 01:37:13.407
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that his endgame was going to be Joyce, but obviously that did not happen.

01:37:14.028 --> 01:37:15.510
[SPEAKER_00]: Or.

01:37:15.490 --> 01:37:16.431
[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of sad.

01:37:16.972 --> 01:37:21.038
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very in tune with like whenever we see Jiles on his own.

01:37:21.078 --> 01:37:29.349
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like always like drinking a whiskey in a corner of a room like sad and I'm like does he develop British?

01:37:30.290 --> 01:37:34.116
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess so does he develop like a drinking issue because of the death of Buffy?

01:37:34.216 --> 01:37:38.882
[SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe he goes down a bad path, hopefully not, but I was just worried about that.

01:37:39.875 --> 01:37:42.418
[SPEAKER_00]: Dawn is devastated over Buffy's death.

01:37:42.659 --> 01:37:43.560
[SPEAKER_00]: She blames herself.

01:37:44.161 --> 01:37:49.948
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's going to try to step up as a slayer, but she just can't because she's not the chosen one.

01:37:51.070 --> 01:37:56.337
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll lean on Spike for big brother, family, safety, but she was supposed to be taking care of by-giles.

01:37:56.777 --> 01:38:04.407
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, I actually think that she might wind up going into foster care or something because she has no mom or Buffy and she's like a minor.

01:38:04.447 --> 01:38:08.953
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like when Buffy comes back to sunny day,

01:38:08.933 --> 01:38:16.005
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's new like that she gets sent off because there's no one there for her and then Buffy's back and she's like, Hi, I'm back.

01:38:16.025 --> 01:38:16.827
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really dead.

01:38:16.947 --> 01:38:18.710
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry about that confusion.

01:38:18.750 --> 01:38:24.340
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, excuse me, but you are like a zombie dead person.

01:38:24.380 --> 01:38:25.682
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't take this child.

01:38:26.023 --> 01:38:26.644
[SPEAKER_00]: Something like that.

01:38:26.764 --> 01:38:27.465
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:38:27.445 --> 01:38:32.374
[SPEAKER_00]: And then a huge spike redemption, this would be his most endearing season.

01:38:32.414 --> 01:38:36.000
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be a spuffy simp, like the rest of you by the end of the season.

01:38:36.040 --> 01:38:41.890
[SPEAKER_00]: And my final note is I just want more spike backstory, pull these.

01:38:43.072 --> 01:38:43.213
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

01:38:43.233 --> 01:38:45.657
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're specifically where he's being pathetic.

01:38:46.278 --> 01:38:47.299
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great.

01:38:47.319 --> 01:38:48.801
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to see him being a badass.

01:38:48.821 --> 01:38:52.285
[SPEAKER_00]: I want him to be just pathetic, so that he can feel bad for him again.

01:38:52.325 --> 01:38:54.828
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is my predictions.

01:38:54.908 --> 01:38:55.609
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.

01:38:56.130 --> 01:39:01.877
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hey, for mine, I have Buffy is quote-unquote dead, but only for the premiere.

01:39:02.237 --> 01:39:07.123
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she'll be back from the dead after one episode, or I guess two if it's two for premiere.

01:39:07.904 --> 01:39:10.086
[SPEAKER_01]: I also have Uzbomster because I'm manifesting.

01:39:10.627 --> 01:39:14.091
[SPEAKER_01]: Ferry's finally happening because we're also manifesting that.

01:39:14.071 --> 01:39:19.342
[SPEAKER_01]: Spuffy, that's happening, spike in buffet or kissing for realsies this time, it's actually happening.

01:39:20.023 --> 01:39:23.971
[SPEAKER_01]: Onions and her get married, on your pace because she's made all that money on the stocks.

01:39:24.352 --> 01:39:24.773
[SPEAKER_01]: She's rich.

01:39:25.033 --> 01:39:25.835
[SPEAKER_01]: She knows what she's doing.

01:39:26.617 --> 01:39:30.224
[SPEAKER_01]: No more crossovers between Buffy and Angel because obviously they're on different networks now.

01:39:30.244 --> 01:39:32.248
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not doing that anymore.

01:39:32.228 --> 01:39:34.951
[SPEAKER_01]: Faith is finally, I'm manifesting this too.

01:39:35.011 --> 01:39:36.573
[SPEAKER_01]: Faith is actually the big bad this season.

01:39:36.653 --> 01:39:37.314
[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to return.

01:39:37.434 --> 01:39:38.115
[SPEAKER_01]: She makes a return.

01:39:38.275 --> 01:39:38.856
[SPEAKER_01]: She's big bad.

01:39:39.597 --> 01:39:47.586
[SPEAKER_01]: Tara and Willow briefly break up due to Willow being an overpowered witch or like whatever that becomes another argument and they briefly break up but I do think they're going to get back together.

01:39:47.626 --> 01:39:51.411
[SPEAKER_01]: Dawn gets her first boyfriend and that'll be fun.

01:39:51.451 --> 01:39:53.293
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a fun season.

01:39:53.794 --> 01:39:55.175
[SPEAKER_01]: May your case of the grief ease.

01:39:55.436 --> 01:39:58.219
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be spending a lot of time sad, I think.

01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:02.927
[SPEAKER_01]: I also had one of the big characters dying and I also said maybe it's on you.

01:40:03.047 --> 01:40:03.649
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on you.

01:40:03.909 --> 01:40:04.730
[SPEAKER_01]: Or it's Tara.

01:40:05.271 --> 01:40:06.554
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's one of those two for sure.

01:40:06.574 --> 01:40:06.734
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:40:08.277 --> 01:40:10.340
[SPEAKER_01]: Dawn wants to die and asks why.

01:40:10.360 --> 01:40:11.883
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, oh my god.

01:40:11.923 --> 01:40:19.055
[SPEAKER_00]: What happens if like Willow goes like crazy evil like powerful witch and then accidentally kills kills Tara.

01:40:19.256 --> 01:40:20.097
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fucked.

01:40:20.117 --> 01:40:20.919
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

01:40:20.939 --> 01:40:21.900
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it could happen.

01:40:21.921 --> 01:40:23.363
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see that.

01:40:23.343 --> 01:40:28.730
[SPEAKER_01]: Don wants to dye an aspect to do it, someone gets a terrible haircut, my money's on Don.

01:40:28.770 --> 01:40:32.956
[SPEAKER_01]: Harmony shows up and she's a badass, and that would be so fun.

01:40:33.496 --> 01:40:40.586
[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting another like you mentioned, another like alternate world episode where we you know, like the evil, we get evil willow, evil buffy, whatever.

01:40:40.766 --> 01:40:42.629
[SPEAKER_01]: I want evil Don, I think that would be fun.

01:40:43.510 --> 01:40:47.355
[SPEAKER_01]: Zander family backstory episode, or manifesting that as well, because it didn't happen last season.

01:40:47.535 --> 01:40:51.240
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I manifesting that rat, Amy, poor rat, Amy gets fixed.

01:40:51.220 --> 01:41:01.676
[SPEAKER_01]: Don, and maybe it's Don who does it because she is going to very much mature while Buffy is gone and when Buffy returns, maybe maybe there's like maybe she's been gone for longer.

01:41:01.716 --> 01:41:05.101
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like the mortal world has moved on longer than Buffy is actually gone.

01:41:05.121 --> 01:41:08.165
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Buffy's like, it's been a day and they're like, it's been two years.

01:41:08.446 --> 01:41:20.704
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Don has really matured in that time and is now a witch in the Coven with the other girls and maybe she's living with Giles, maybe she's living with Willow and Tara

01:41:20.684 --> 01:41:26.893
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or like they she's living with like Steve Francis and his wife and like seven foster children.

01:41:27.013 --> 01:41:32.000
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we very much it takes to be as like, it takes to yeah, they're working in a dump.

01:41:32.361 --> 01:41:36.527
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, Giles is going to really like lean into the ripeness.

01:41:36.587 --> 01:41:39.010
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like something is going to happen.

01:41:39.191 --> 01:41:43.637
[SPEAKER_01]: And like it's going to like trigger something in his brain and he's going to be losing his men.

01:41:43.617 --> 01:41:51.632
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm now I'm all in on I need to write this one down because I came up with it on the fly.

01:41:52.013 --> 01:41:57.203
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all in unlike a buffy returns and more time has passed.

01:41:57.243 --> 01:41:57.984
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a cool one.

01:41:58.024 --> 01:41:59.888
[SPEAKER_01]: I like them then for her.

01:41:59.868 --> 01:42:03.715
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we don't, we know like, kind of is different in like, I said, I said something.

01:42:03.735 --> 01:42:04.436
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you type it?

01:42:04.456 --> 01:42:11.348
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember what it was, but I'm sorry, you want me to type something that you don't remember what it was.

01:42:11.789 --> 01:42:12.831
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was the Tara thing.

01:42:12.891 --> 01:42:15.235
[SPEAKER_00]: Willow kills Tara because she's too powerful.

01:42:15.596 --> 01:42:16.437
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

01:42:16.457 --> 01:42:17.319
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

01:42:17.359 --> 01:42:18.360
[SPEAKER_00]: That's some good stuff.

01:42:18.380 --> 01:42:21.606
[SPEAKER_01]: Willow kills Tara because she's too powerful.

01:42:21.586 --> 01:42:27.058
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are our predictions for season six, which we will be getting to as a reminder in two weeks.

01:42:27.098 --> 01:42:28.521
[SPEAKER_01]: We take a week off in between seasons.

01:42:28.561 --> 01:42:30.244
[SPEAKER_01]: So next week, nothing.

01:42:30.685 --> 01:42:37.620
[SPEAKER_01]: We after we will be back for episodes one and two of the season six bargaining parts one and two.

01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:39.423
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so that will be really fun.

01:42:39.803 --> 01:42:39.904
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:42:39.924 --> 01:42:41.807
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, probably do a little bit of angel talk.

01:42:41.827 --> 01:42:47.015
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what ends up happening with angel because we're going to be pre-recording, as we mentioned previously.

01:42:47.035 --> 01:42:52.022
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, coming up very soon, starting in February, we're going to be recording two episodes a week.

01:42:52.223 --> 01:42:55.428
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll still hear them normally, but on the back end, we're recording twice a week.

01:42:55.448 --> 01:42:59.734
[SPEAKER_01]: So getting to the angel stuff probably won't be top priority, not going to lie.

01:42:59.754 --> 01:43:06.004
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I was still not going to attempt to keep up with it and we can have courties cornering

01:43:06.575 --> 01:43:13.986
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we did get a brief, we got an email from Sophie who first of all wanted to congratulate you on your good news.

01:43:14.386 --> 01:43:14.887
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

01:43:15.388 --> 01:43:20.315
[SPEAKER_01]: And then also wanted to briefly ask how we felt, I thought this was an interesting question.

01:43:20.756 --> 01:43:26.564
[SPEAKER_01]: How did we feel about the season five finale if it would have been the series finale?

01:43:26.604 --> 01:43:31.912
[SPEAKER_01]: Because as we know, like they got moved networks and it could have been a series finale and blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:43:31.932 --> 01:43:36.278
[SPEAKER_01]: How would you have felt if this was the series finale?

01:43:36.511 --> 01:43:43.871
[SPEAKER_00]: I think sad, but I also don't think that I would have had a lot of a ton of remaining questions.

01:43:45.295 --> 01:43:52.073
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I would have wanted like a epilogue episode to see what the rest of the characters are up to.

01:43:52.053 --> 01:44:15.360
[SPEAKER_00]: years later, but I feel like in terms of the buffy of it all especially because of how much time we spent with her this season talking about how like tired she was and like how she's like sick of the rat race and always going like I think that it could have been a like

01:44:16.218 --> 01:44:20.443
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it would have left me who we're disappointed.

01:44:20.503 --> 01:44:24.608
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like I would have really been in my fields if that was the finale.

01:44:25.689 --> 01:44:26.651
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I agree.

01:44:26.691 --> 01:44:29.394
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there would have been a few things that I would have been disappointed.

01:44:29.414 --> 01:44:31.096
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, we never got faith back.

01:44:31.216 --> 01:44:33.539
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there were certain things that I would have been sad about.

01:44:33.599 --> 01:44:36.242
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, yeah, it was an end.

01:44:36.262 --> 01:44:42.850
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been a satisfying way to end, and I honestly think that faith is a angel entity now.

01:44:44.450 --> 01:44:45.191
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.

01:44:45.312 --> 01:44:45.953
[SPEAKER_00]: I really do.

01:44:46.073 --> 01:44:47.696
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I don't want that to be true.

01:44:47.997 --> 01:44:53.568
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't either, but I think that like she's like she belongs to the Angel universe now.

01:44:53.628 --> 01:45:00.061
[SPEAKER_01]: Also speaking of faith, Sophie also mentioned that Buffy's was always going to die at the end of the season.

01:45:00.121 --> 01:45:06.053
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was foreshadowed in the season three finale when Buffy and Faith were talking in their dreams and they were making the bed.

01:45:06.033 --> 01:45:14.845
[SPEAKER_01]: And Faith says little mismuffet counting down from 730, which is approximately two years, slash seasons from when Buffy dies.

01:45:15.727 --> 01:45:26.522
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, also in the season four finale when the clock read, 730, and Tara says that is completely wrong since a year had already passed, but and the time had to be changed.

01:45:26.502 --> 01:45:26.943
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:45:27.083 --> 01:45:28.565
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.

01:45:28.605 --> 01:45:30.748
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it 730 days?

01:45:31.008 --> 01:45:31.669
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I get it.

01:45:31.689 --> 01:45:32.430
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:45:32.911 --> 01:45:33.271
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:45:33.291 --> 01:45:36.095
[SPEAKER_00]: 730 days is like two years.

01:45:36.155 --> 01:45:37.857
[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.

01:45:38.098 --> 01:45:38.478
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:45:38.799 --> 01:45:40.461
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was always going to happen.

01:45:41.182 --> 01:45:49.253
[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess there's conflicting reports as to when the show knew it was coming back versus when if they thought it was going to be done done.

01:45:49.734 --> 01:45:50.755
[SPEAKER_01]: Some say,

01:45:50.735 --> 01:46:00.686
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they knew a little by past the midpoint other say they only got confirmation after filming it ended so there's conflicting reports about like when they actually found out.

01:46:00.847 --> 01:46:06.173
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, just like we already had we already knew that like Joyce had been predestined to die this season.

01:46:06.553 --> 01:46:09.236
[SPEAKER_01]: It was also going to be buffy was going to die at the end of the season.

01:46:09.316 --> 01:46:13.001
[SPEAKER_01]: So regardless of whether or not the show got picked back up interesting.

01:46:13.561 --> 01:46:13.661
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:46:13.681 --> 01:46:15.163
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you so much for letting us know.

01:46:15.183 --> 01:46:16.645
[SPEAKER_01]: So if that was really that was interesting.

01:46:16.685 --> 01:46:19.408
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know any of that.

01:46:19.388 --> 01:46:33.089
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so that's that's that's the season five wrap up and it will be back in two weeks for season six, which I'm excited because now I get to watch it and I haven't been able to watch it.

01:46:34.912 --> 01:46:37.736
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know anything else there, anything else you want to tell the people.

01:46:39.459 --> 01:46:40.941
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, no, I don't think so.

01:46:41.242 --> 01:46:42.806
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, great.

01:46:42.826 --> 01:46:45.434
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll be back in two weeks' time, everybody.

01:46:45.474 --> 01:46:49.124
[SPEAKER_01]: So until then, here and if the lesson.

01:46:49.144 --> 01:46:51.371
[SPEAKER_01]: Just ask.

01:46:51.391 --> 01:46:51.832
[SPEAKER_01]: Good night.

01:46:51.852 --> 01:46:53.597
[SPEAKER_01]: Good night and show start me.