Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 5 Episode 5 - No Place Like Home

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before Just be how never ended with those All you need is a door Searching for something to put a smile back on your face Just remembering unusual times I can come from an unusual place

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need a partner for a ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word now be there Just ask

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's 20, 20 That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's 19, 19 There's a need to pretend I got a hand I can land Who's like you really need a friend Just ask

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shit 90's show start me!

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shit 90's show start me was not filmed before live studio audience.

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[SPEAKER_05]: are you ready to play another day?

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[SPEAKER_05]: So are we?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome back to shit 90 shows taught me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just arling here with my co-hosts.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're hungry.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're how are you?

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[SPEAKER_05]: You're not my podcast partner.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Who are you?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I've been I've I'm just a figment of your imagination.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to do a video effect where I start fading in and out, but just imagine that I did.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I imagine.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't believe it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're talking about season five episode five, no place like home.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, we're not alone today.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We are joined by the one the only great friend of the podcast, how the librarian taught how are you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm feeling we can

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I can't wait to talk about all of the ruffy stuff's, um, but I mean, I feel like the mean spuffy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What did I say?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You said ruffy don't know ruffy, Riley and Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, is that what you want to talk about?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought you were going to say something else.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, of the like we're calling him kidney.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Love.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, but there's there's certainly a bigger headline than that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This episode, which I presume is the reason that Todd wanted to come on and talk about this episode, which is that Sarah Susie, they weren't trying to gaslight us.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Susie wasn't here the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Susie has been an implanted memory key trapped in a human body.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She had no actual powers.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'll be pissed.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She does then.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She's not.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, the guy said the monk guy, the religious figure said that she was a human.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So whatever around the key is energy, it opens the portal.

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[SPEAKER_05]: For centuries, it had no form at all.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Then the abomination found us, which

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[SPEAKER_05]: If that lady is an abomination, I want to be an abomination okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Wow, this had to be a lot of people's like bisexual awakening.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She was gorgeous.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm so excited to talk about her.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The abomination found us gave it a form molded flesh, made it human, dawn is the key.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, Todd, obviously I want to know, do you recall when you watched Buffy for the first time?

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[SPEAKER_05]: What you made of Dawn's appearance on the show, like starting in season five, I'm trying to say she'd been here all along.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'm not an arm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I, I mean, I, I didn't guess she was the key, but my thought was, okay, there's some supernatural shagans that going on that have like inserted this person into their life, a little kuku being inserted there and we're going to find out eventually what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't really worry about it, but a lot of people at the time like losing their minds kind of like you were like, why?

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[SPEAKER_03]: is going on here, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're just kind of like, yeah, we're going to find out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's going to be something, it's cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was pretty chill waiting for I was surprised whenever I was doing my rewatch that the reveal happened this early in the season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And my mind lasted a lot longer before we found out about being the key.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, oh, this is pretty early on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of surprised, but I'm glad because now I don't

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, you know, don't you don't remember the time I'm on before I was not looking forward to trying to guess like you To guess a parent so I was like yeah, this is what called dawn reveal has happened and then I'll come on

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Sarah, we are a bunch of dumbdums.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We were like, okay, the show just wants us to believe that she's always had a sister, that's fine, we'll play along.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And you know what I'm gonna blame this on, Sarah?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna blame this on the fact that we are first of all, our podcast is about 90s television.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And 90s television is classically does this to us all the time where it's like,

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's this person's been here all along.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Don't you remember this person had a sister.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We talk about continuity issues in like boy meets world where Sean has a sister and then he does it and then he has a brother and that, you know, they do this to us all the time and 90 shows.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, Buffy is like better than that, okay, whatever, but like I feel like we can't be blamed for just going along with it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're just too, too, go with gals.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to just let you go with gals.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's funny because I am after watching this episode, I was actively frustrated with myself for not using any sort of critical thinking or anything to question, or, or, you know, and, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I, I didn't question it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I just like truly didn't.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was just like, okay, this is what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was just going on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, it just like all science point two, I'm very likely to join a cult, which is, yes, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think like the thing is, is that I think you're right, like I think that like I'm just used to television doing some sort of like switch up and like us having to adapt.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, like this is season five, it goes on to seven or eight seven seven seven so like.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, there's a world where like, oh, like, this is the show's been around for a while.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We really should mix things up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't think that's very wild to like assume that they would bring in somebody younger to just like spice things up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I am frustrated myself that we spend time at times, like, looking into theories or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't even, I truly didn't question it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, I just think that I am just letting shit happen to me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm going along for the ride.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's, it's concerning.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: To be fair, it is like there is a lot of work that goes in by the monks or whomever is the one actually putting this into the works, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: whomever is making Susie a key in the form of a human.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They are like, they're changing literally everyone's memories.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're like photographs, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like peaceful.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's been like, there's a lot that you can't just invent a human.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like there's backstory.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There is so much that has to happen for the monks to be able to pull this off, that I don't know that I would have ever been able to guess anything like this because of just like how much would have to go into it to make it work.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just want to remember never yet on Antonio on for the Jonathan episode super star we haven't gotten really writes all over reality so that he's always been the hero and ever just kind of say and yeah, this episode is going to be kind of important down the road.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We are down the road down for this is like my like the testing waters of like the type of magic that was used for dawn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not just be growing me like he said like

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[SPEAKER_03]: it created this whole not just memories but also her room and her clothes and all this other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They basically rewrote reality so that she was for everyone else always being the biggest power.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We've ever seen like this rewriting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: an entire reality where, like, another full human being exists in this world, human is this, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Todd, like, Don is a person that exists in the world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But they created now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She is the

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[SPEAKER_05]: They created her.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They created her to be the key.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The reason they created her, correct me if I'm wrong on any of this thought, the reason they created her is because they wanted to protect this portal from the abomination.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And they knew the safest way to do that was to create a human that would hold the key be the key that Buffy would protect.

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[SPEAKER_05]: with everything and what kind of person is that?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's a family member.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She would protect her sister with her own life.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So they had that, that's why in their minds, they had to make it a human being and then to make it work, they had to change reality to have Susie exist.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And at the same time, Todd, Susie doesn't know that she's the key.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She thinks Buffy is my sister, like she's implanted with memories as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the the mom's basically took the key, took the energy and changed it and formed it into a human and then plot the human down and then rewrote reality and Primarily it's just memories.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Primarily did like a big memory spells that everyone who ever encountered Buffy now has like dawn stuff implanted in but also to rewrite really enough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: to create her room and her stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But basically, like, prior to this two months before this, she never existed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So at this point, two months ago, whenever they cast the spell, they create her, they add the stuff and they rewrote everyone's memories so that from this point onward, they remember her being there even if she was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We just based on what happened with Jonathan, like, the rowdy changed at that moment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't like they went back and beverage memories of what had been before changed as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: you know, I thought I got a handle on this shit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought I did, but now my mind is blown because I thought that we just snatched like an orphan off the street.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, this she's an entirely created human being for this purpose.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know, talk about the air in the spare, like Susie is literally just like a spare meat sack who is like, oh, uh, just

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, now I need to know, cause Susie, again, I don't know if I'm reading into this too much, but now I personally feel like you can't ever read too much into Buffy, you know?

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just like they want you to do it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: When Susie is like, oh, she has no idea what I'm capable of.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, well, she doesn't know she's the key.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So what the hell is Susie talking about?

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[SPEAKER_05]: A liar, she lies in her diary.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'll be pissed off, sir.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You have no idea if this bitch has been lying in her diary and I'm like waiting for her to have special powers on the so-man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't have to say it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Why would they give?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, if they literally made this human out of...

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, like, an eye of new and a sprinkle of sass, like, I, there's no way that they would be like, let's give her, see, you know what, like, it's a great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Can you shut the fuck up and let me finish my sentence just one second for goodness sake.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the whole point is that she's a key, they need to protect the key in order for the portal not to open.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're not going to complicate it by giving her more shit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's just like, so that would screw that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Increases the chances that things will get fucked up and it sounds like I don't know like if we're we're not like if we're going to set off to like create the perfect human we're not going to give them like.

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[SPEAKER_04]: you know, 500 boils on their face, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that we just made the perfect human, like why would we do that?

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think they're setting out to create the perfect human.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I certainly don't think Susie qualifies as the perfect human on on top of that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's just the analogy, it was a analogy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't mean that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Who's he was perfect.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just meant that they're creating something, then they're not going to, like, complicate things by giving her extra powers that I think they could give her a fail safe though, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like let's pretend, right, if she is the key, if she is so important, she is this portal, the abomination, they don't want the abomination to get.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, well, yes, Buffy is there to protect her, but also like, what if Buffy isn't around, like what if something happens, don't they want a backup plan, plan B and the plan B would be, she's a failure.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She explodes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She has some sort of like, um, I'm trying to think of what the, what the comparison would be.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Todd, you know, I feel like you know what I'm thinking of and I can't

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[SPEAKER_05]: you have a choice to like self-implode, self-destruct, if something were to like, if something was about to kill you, you then self-destruct so that you fail, that person fails to like get ahold of you, do you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like there has to be some superhero reference there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm certainly to think of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I definitely have like seen things like that, but I think I understand like the thought process there, but I think here like the monk is very clear.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She is human.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's just a child.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She knows nothing about what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We say him to you protect her because probably the problem is like the spell,

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, to create a human, it's already incredibly, you know, a powerful thing, but to create a human with super powers, feels like something that might be even beyond the pale of what you could do with a simple spell, not even simple but complex spell, and also they set her to Buffy to protect.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They want her to blend in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want anyone to know that she is the key.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you give her super powers and things like that, like the more special she is, then the less likely she's going to be able to blend in.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's fair, I just think, I also wonder, I mean, this is, cause it's an insanely powerful thing to even be able to create her to be able to change everyone's memories to accommodate for this entirely new person.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like they could have made a mistake somewhere, where then she has maybe not necessarily like an innate ability, but like something like Willow where she can learn to be a witch or like she has

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[SPEAKER_05]: She has the innate ability to be better at some sort of magic because of what she's made up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think everybody has an innate power in this universe to do magic if they set forth to it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I can see a world where Willow and Tara bring her in in order to

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[SPEAKER_04]: do magic with them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that she would be really into it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We see her interested in like Buffy doing magic.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I can definitely see that happening.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I also think, you know, they didn't create like the perfect person.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're right, because Don is really fucking annoying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And if we were going to make a person that was supposed to be low key and not make a big ruckus, then we wouldn't make her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: because she's so annoying and she gets into everything and she doesn't mind her own fucking business.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So they didn't succeed in that way because that they did, then they would create a person that just actually shuts up for once and just keeps to herself.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So they failed Jessica, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They did fail.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They messed up a little because Dawn's annoying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And she's the most annoying little sister ever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She, I would be her up so much if she was my little sister.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I, I wanted to punch her in the nose and I would have in my day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I really would have my sister who listens to his podcast, nose, she knows.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I might be six inches shorter than my sister and a lot of people, but I would punch you in the nose if you're that annoying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You do not have involuntary empathy for Dawn like Willow does.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's only because I see so much of what Buffy sees and what she experiences as an older sister and

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[SPEAKER_04]: even so much of it, honestly, so much of it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I, there is no reality where like, I'm just not buff it back in Buffy and every single scene where she is either annoyed or affected by how her mother,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Joy, Joyce, I still don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Joy, Joyce, Joyce.

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[SPEAKER_04]: OK, I will remember because she does not bring me joy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I will, like, every, the intern, oh, this, OK, I'm sorry, we have, I don't know if you want to like set up and we get there eventually, or if we just, like, I don't know what you want to do, Jessica.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But if you want me to go on a rant, how I think it's complete bullshit, the affection that Joyce,

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[SPEAKER_04]: gives to her youngest daughter versus buffy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It just sets me off.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's fair.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But my question would then be, and how is that?

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[SPEAKER_05]: How is that dawns fault?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because I don't think it is.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the important second, you know, not her fault.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That is a good point.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And that is something that I still struggle with in and out of therapy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because I am with you,

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[SPEAKER_05]: For Joyce to be like, oh, my little pumpkin belly or whatever the hell she calls dawn.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then when Buffy is like, oh, did I have like a little affectionate nickname?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously reaching out to be like, love me, mom, pay attention to me, mom, for her to be like, no, you're just Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like fuck you, Joyce, like fuck you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because, truly, and this is what Joyce is doing is really fanning the flames of like a sisterly rivalry by like showing so much favor to Don because she's the baby, because she's the younger sister, like it's fucked up what Joyce is doing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: However, I don't blame Don for literally any of that because I think for Don,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Imagine living in your sister's shadow.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Your sister isn't just your older sister.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She's all fucking slayer.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She's the fucking slayer.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And you grew up, you know, not really, but you know, you're all not knows.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You think that you did?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you grew up in this woman's shadow.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, that is your entire existence is in her shadow.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She just wants to be included.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She just wants to help, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Can I help with the magic?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, can I help with the spell?

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[SPEAKER_05]: She just wants to be included.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's all any of us ever want is to be included.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And she is constantly excluded, constantly treated, like a baby.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It is so irritating as a younger sibling who is four years younger than my brother.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He always treated me like because I'm younger.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I know nothing because I'm younger.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't do XYZ and sometimes it's true.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes you can't do XYZ.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Have you ever wondered if you were just being really fucking annoying?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think Dawn was being annoying.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think she was.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think she's trying to be helpful.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so I obviously we all know I'm an older sister,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I we need a non biased opinion like we really really do because there is never going to be a world where like I'm not on buffy side and just doesn't see Don's point of view like we can't we just can't get there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just not how we're in great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I do understand what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just about like it's not Don's fall.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a great point.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a point that I did not learn until well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was after eight I was older than 18.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a thing that I still struggle with with being like a 30 something

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just think that like we as a kid you are like the you don't have the capacity to realize that it's your issue is with the parent and not with your sibling.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's just you just can't understand that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're not emotionally intelligent for that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I do agree with that and I think like once again my anger stems from

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[SPEAKER_04]: being so ingrained in my head thinking that it was like my sister's issue and not a parental issue.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I hear you, I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's still hard for me, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But Todd, let me circle back around.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I kind of got on a little tangent.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Non biased.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You do not have a younger sibling or an older sibling.

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[SPEAKER_04]: How do you see this situation?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Who are you sighting with?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It reminds

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it reminds me, I was a little kid and I really wanted a little brother.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was always on my mom.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want a little brother, one little brother, one little brother, and then I went to stay the night at a friend's house and he had a little brother and I came home.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, mom, you can forget the little brother.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want one anymore that breath was so freaking annoying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so Donna noise me, I'm on the Don is annoying camp.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like, yeah, some of that you can place on Joyce's shoulders and some of it is like a reaction to being above your shadow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But reacting above the shadow doesn't excuse the fact that she still is freaking annoying at times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you might understand why she's being annoying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but doesn't solve the fact that she actually can be annoying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just even the thing like, you know, oh, but they help me make this breakfast just like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Come on, you know, it's like, also, it's like, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think the age is also the big factor here because obviously she's younger sister, so she's going to be younger.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But the maturity level is just so vast at the ages they're currently at that it feels like, what, what, and this I feel like very strongly and Todd, I don't know if you have this with any like family members, like cousins or like friends or anything, but like,

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[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like if you grew up with a bit of a competitive back and forth of like against each other for your parents affection or just against each other because you compete with who you're you know who's in your general vicinity, even when you're older that's still there that baggage is like still there you know what I mean.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I think they're like, again, like reasons why she's way, but just from a vacuum, just looking at how she's acting, how she reacts to everything, just constantly kind of like, oh, what was me, poor me?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, it's annoying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It just really grinds my gears, and I feel like most of the fandom felt the same way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that there was definitely some anti-dawn sentiment in the fandom at the time,

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[SPEAKER_03]: the most.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Gosh, you know, um, I just, I like, I, I like her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: individually, but I just, especially when the joist stuff comes in, it just like so or something.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I could have been triggered.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think I was triggered.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think the nickname thing really sent me over the edge and like just like the the cuddling on the stool and like this is just some shit that like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was not like the warmest little child like I didn't want to be like hugging all over, but like when and because of that, like when I saw my mom like cuddling with my sister, I was I got angry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like what the fuck?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I didn't get that shit like or and half of it's probably me and like I was rejecting it, but also it was like hey like what the fuck?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like what is this?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and I got mad.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So like, I, I just think that like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, I can really relate to Buffy about all this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it was frustrating to watch at times.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that, I think it's just like the older siblings plight.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is just the struggles that we deal with, especially when it comes to mom's little baby.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I also think like, yeah, it's the ages that they're at, like they're both like young and immature, 18.

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[SPEAKER_04]: or 20, 20, 14, and I don't know, but I think there's a five year age difference.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just say that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I, but also, I think you're right, Jess, like I think that if you put yourself in a house with your brother and your parents for two weeks, I guarantee you those, those, those,

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[SPEAKER_04]: The same dynamics that you were experiencing with as a teenager will come out and I think that it's just like you reverber back to it and I just think it's just like that dynamic about siblings.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think there's parents out there that like very much do it well and the kids are not jealous with each other and they're not competitive.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that I've seen it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But.

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[SPEAKER_04]: it's not really what I've experienced.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well it's I also think yes you can improve things by being good parents like you cannot make mistakes that Joyce is making here, but also I feel like I had pretty darn good parents and that still doesn't necessarily mean that I mean

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[SPEAKER_05]: At the end of the day, you and your siblings are still just human beings and that you're still people, you're gonna clash at times your personalities may not always gel like that's just life that's what happens, but yeah to to kind of bring it bring it all back here like.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think Buffy, a lot of the times, she has a lot of responsibility on her.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I give her credit.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She has a lot going on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She's in college.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She's maintaining friendships.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She's the freaking slayer.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, she has a lot to do.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think she also sees Dawn as somewhat of a burden at times.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And especially being that they're in a single parent household.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, she has bound to feel the weight of that responsibility as well.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now especially with Joyce being sick, which we'll get into.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I think that like she then takes the fact that she feels that burden out on Dawn when Dawn really has no control over the fact that she was born.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I loved the conversation that they have at the end when Buffy goes back to her after learning all of this after learning about the portal and the key and all that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And she goes to Don Todd and she says, like, and they have the conversation about, like, one of them being adopted by, like, how were monkeys and that was so real, like so siblingly that that comparison of like I was dreamed you were adopted.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that my favorite dawn sequence in this whole episode is like, Gevertay you that I sometimes think that you're adopted in that moment, Dr. from a shoebox hole, how they're monkeys and she never told you because you're a big baby feelings.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That whole thing even though it's a bratty way to say it's just really correct me up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that you really feel like the sibling rivalry stuff there, but one thing I want to bring up as well is

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[SPEAKER_03]: a few episodes ago.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know exactly where I'm, but like, sometimes this season after Dom was introduced, there's a point where both of these like being like rough on dawn, and I think like Riley says something about it, and stuff's like, I know, I just like, Dom's always been, you know, a little bit of crap, but just recently, it's really bothering more than before, and that's because

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[SPEAKER_03]: she just started to exist.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I've always read that as Buffy as the Slayer, even before she does this whole trans thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen Buffy can sense when things are wrong.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She knew her roommate was a demon and no one else believed her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She could like sense things and people like have learned to trust Buffy's instincts on staff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think deep down on some level that the Slayer in her is going

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[SPEAKER_03]: something is not right here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This person does not belong here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think a lot of what we're seeing here is yeah, all the other stuff is definitely part of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think that the reason why Buffy is now being even harder and harder on dawn, it is because on some level she knows that someone has messed with her mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's related to dawn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that she is like being more and more annoyed by dawn because dawn is always around, which is that

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[SPEAKER_03]: not use the around because she was never around before.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think then just kind of amplifies whatever sisterly rivalry there might have been otherwise.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a really good point.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I'll be interested to see now that we've reached this point where Buffy knows Dawn is a key, didn't exist before.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Dawn doesn't know that, but Buffy knows it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: How that affects their relationship moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because she's bound to protect Dawn

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[SPEAKER_05]: but also now Dawn is realistically even a bigger burden on her in terms of, well now I've really got a protect her because not just she's my sister and I care about her I love her whatever, but there are actively people trying to get to her, to try to like use her, use the portal, we'll get into all of that because I don't know if we're supposed to know what's going on there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I want to stick with the joist stuff, Sarah, because

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[SPEAKER_05]: We spend Buffy is very like distracted this episode with Joyce still being sick from when she had that like, uh, uh, when she asked oh, okay, just Don't tell me literally on the podcast when she says who are you, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like it's like

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like the trance was broken for a second.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She goes to the hospital.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They've put her on some sort of meds, but she's still getting headaches.

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[SPEAKER_05]: A lot, which is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're like brain stuff.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Again, memories stuff, brain stuff, and she's getting scripts.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Buffy's having to go run out and get them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't seem to be helping.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And now that we know that Buffy has done this trance, and nothing seems to be affecting Joyce on the magical side of things.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What do we think is going on?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, what is she afflicted with?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Ah, you know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: as a card carrying member of a dead parent club, I am telling you that Joyce is a dead.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'll tell you why.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that it makes so much sense for Buffy to like basically be an orphan.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I think like we need her to like really lose somebody soon.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think we're killing off Giles and I don't think we're killing off the Scoobies.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that Joyce is the one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that we're going to lose.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that I don't think it, I did think it was supernatural until we realized that was not supernatural.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And now I think like, early pop has sadly like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: brain cancer or something.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that she's a dead.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think we're going to lose her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that is going to be really, really, really, really, really hard on buffet because she already feels super alone.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I slated, but like I just feel like it's, well, it's like when Harry Potter lost serious black.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He needed that to happen, but then he also needed Dumbledore to die.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like when Harry Potter lost every single person in his life, you know, but we wouldn't kill Harry and Hermione, but we had to kill like a parental figure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that is what I think.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What do you think about that, Jessica?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I, I, under, like, I totally get where you're coming from, but I, I don't think I would go so far as to say she's immediately going to be dead.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do think.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If she doesn't end up dying I think we're going to reach a like she gets sicker and sicker and sicker as the season goes on and eventually is like on the verge of death, but like I have a question for Todd specifically about this trance thing that she does right like Buffy performs this magic.

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[SPEAKER_05]: the idea of which it is supposed to like see traces of magic.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So theoretically Todd, if a demon were to have made Joyce ill in some way, that would be a parent via some sort of like energy dust, whatever, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Buffy would be able to see it after the trans.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the the theory.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what the whole idea of the trans music there was and use her spell cast on joys there'd be some sort of trace magic that would let them know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah going by what they think the trans is at this point your the show is telling you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's nothing magical going on with her illness.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, because I think there's like a backdoor loophole here, right, like, and I'm only saying this simply because Joyce saying to Don who are you having that like revelation and then passing out and also the constant headaches.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It feels like there is something going on where her brain is fighting against, again, it must not be a spell if they can't see it with the trans, but it is fighting against the implanted memory of dawn.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I can see that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can like go down that pack.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can combine that with my theory.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they both are true.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like whatever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like she's fighting against it, which is like giving her migraines, which is making her sicker, which is giving her some sort of mystery illness that is something or other.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think like that could definitely I think like maybe.

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[SPEAKER_05]: it is connected.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and the reason I think she gets sicker and sicker, again, I don't know that she's going to die, but she's definitely going to get sicker is because when I'm buffing, goes back to the hospital, the pig on this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, who do we see?

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[SPEAKER_05]: But, Jack, do you been?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Why is he here?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Why are we like focusing so much on like because he's dreaming and now he's a back for a second time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There are vibes Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There are vibes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, you're strong.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Did you get bit by I'm you and spider.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's making spider man references Todd.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Don't you love him?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you love Dr. Ben?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, saying a radioactive spider is like definitely like a way to call the X heart.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's making some.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Some in Roach there, but he's no

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I also think he's very kind like I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not a doctor I don't I don't know how their lives work, but like he recognizes Buffy from like at oh how's your mom like he's like so kind of checking in

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just saying that they're bad.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just love how you're so into the bare fucking minimum.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, now this doctor who asked how your mom is after he treated her, he must be the best guy ever, not Riley, he did something really, really amazing in this episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm forgetting right now, but like he did something.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, he needed to do something amazing, because he was an insecure piece of shit last episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So he was due to do something amazing this episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He was being a piece of shit.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He wasn't being a shit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to talk everything that he said is let's absolutely do to him being horribly ill and on the verge of dying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That messes with your brain.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I've given him a pass never he's like on the verge of death.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I want to know Sarah what your thoughts were on on the buffy not wanting him to go out slaying with her calling him fragile, calling him kidney.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like he's fragile.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like I wouldn't want.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like just like protecting your partner, like if Adam like broke like her

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[SPEAKER_04]: And he needed some time to rest.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't want him to go out and play pickle ball the next day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's just protecting your partner.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, do we know who long it's been?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like because he had heart surgery.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like how long has it been since that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, time is a weird soup.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they really address like the timeline of the all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's really hard to say, I think this show kind of handwaves a lot of stuff and it has to do like medical recovery and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been long enough that he's like able to go and work out in the danger room in the back, after, at the game called Week in Kidney.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But probably not enough that he is really fully healed enough to be able to go out and fight vampires.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it just feels like we are very much nearing the end of this relationship simply because one of the big things they bonded over once they were out to each other as like I'm an initiative, I'm a slayer, blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Was the fact that they did go fighting together?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like it was like an Afro-Disiac for that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And like that was there like four play was being people up and now that he's like more human.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just also,

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[SPEAKER_04]: them being having something in common and like them doing something together having a common mission.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I do think that like we're on if we like are on if there's like a a a hill we are on the other side of the hill with the world for the climax.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No pun intended.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: AO that you know what the climax was?

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[SPEAKER_04]: that episode with the vines.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I forget where the wild things are.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We look at that episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That was I was piece for sure, but now we're in the valley I think and I think that it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like honestly, like obviously, I don't think that variety is Buffy's end game.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think like the relationship is like running as course I'm going to

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[SPEAKER_04]: certainly miss him, but um and I think it like makes sense sometimes like couples especially couples in college like they search a drift apart.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's okay, it's just like let's like give like some random hot doctor a ton of flowers for just existing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: you know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I just think he's cute and I'm planted my flag last episode that I think he's going to be coming back and I'm maintaining that flag in that position of I think he is going to be a potential love interest.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But he'd be single.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Why do we have to like jump?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'd be single.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I would love for her to be single.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think the show wants her to be single, but I would love for her to be single.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I also think Todd, it was, it was so unsuttle.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was so clear when Buffy's like, oh, do you want to help me do this trance?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, here, pour this dust into this bowl.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was like so clear she was just pitying him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I glad that he realized it and was like, listen, I appreciate what you're trying to do, but I think this Riley is the Riley that I like not the Riley that was like on deathstored acting like an ass last last time, but this, he's like, you know, look, it was borrowed power.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was going to go away some time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, Todd.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's exactly the line that I really, really like when I was like, oh, he did something really incredible this episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think like that that's exactly and that's I totally agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's why I like rightly because I think that he's a good partner, except when he's like writing out, you know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, while we're already on the topic of Buffy's love life, let's just do the quick hit of spike this episode because he after the last episode where he has the dream about kissing Buffy, he is spying on Buffy, like he's just loitering outside her house smoking nonstop, like just like a chimney, um, the comedy, though, Todd, the comedy of her being like, what are you doing here?

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, I'm just, what is he say?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Five words, I don't know walk.

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[SPEAKER_05]: bitch.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because he doesn't look like a like a thing out for a walk.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I have no work.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Bitch.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so bad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then is he storming away after you find you need some place one life other than checking Captain cardboard and and I've never liked you anyway and you have stupid hair.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like

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[SPEAKER_05]: Captain cardboard is just incredible.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was like spike was what I have to assume was like most of the fandom Again, I don't know for sure if everyone hates Riley, but like I get the vibe that most people at least think he's boring Well, I'm we can't I don't think hardware is incredible hates Riley.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if I'm apathetic Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel better.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing's me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel good about that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's like let's not throw the age

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[SPEAKER_05]: Port is perfect right like cardboard is nothing cardboard does nothing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just cardboard like he's bland He's a little bit toast.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah Captain cardboard is perfect

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[SPEAKER_05]: What does he do?

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[SPEAKER_05]: What is spike?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_05]: What do you do?

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like telling her she has stupid hair.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just so funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just great hair.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Stop it, spike.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know you know you like.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's very much like, I like you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to pull your pig tails like kindergarten style, which don't do that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like we raise our children not to be like, I like you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let me physically assault you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's not do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Can we just be like, talk about our feelings a little bit, spike?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, obviously he's been a lot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's been unalive for a very long time at this point.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I'm excited to see where this is going to go.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Mostly because I think the the banter between the two characters is so fun and spike having to reconcile this dream that he had.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Again, love and hate is a fine line.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And he is right in that line.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you have a question?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think, do either of you, you both are my good friends?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, do you think that after Riley's out of the picture, do you think I'm gonna come around to the, the spike?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, no, to the spike in the, the buffy in the spike?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it would take a lot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it would take,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I think if you were going to come around on spike, he would have to have a massive redemption arc in terms of, again, I think he's very funny, but in how he treats people, especially Buffy, he would have to have a massive redemption story for you to then get on board.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's impossible.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I just think what they'll do with the character is probably not going to,

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[SPEAKER_05]: wants you to come around, lead you to want you to come around.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Does that make sense?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, tell me what you think.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's kind of where I would land as well, I think.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think like a lot of your complaints with them, Sarah, if he keeps in behind the same way he is, then it's going to be hard to get past that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, you didn't true blood, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, because there's a character that I think is spike-esque in some ways.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Todd, did you true blood?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I am talking about Eric because Eric played by what remind me what the hell who is he or Lord.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's a star's guard.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, played by a I'll something else.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Alexander?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, is it maybe?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, tall blonde, you know the deal very nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's all the scars.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he fits the spike profile and that he is like this massive villain in the beginning like really nasty mean awful

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then he has this like really interesting character arc where he gets this like redemption story.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I love Tim, but I also think I'm more prone to liking a villain gets redeemed storyline.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I like that sort of a thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But it gives me that vibe.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They give him Nisha.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you think you do that to spike?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And Nisha.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I came around on Dawson Leary, and he was a villain at first.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't even have the same birthday as me or something like that, it's like me, Dawson and like Julie from Felicity, on the same birthday, it's really fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're actually, you know, I think they're the day before me, the two of them, or maybe Dawson's very close, that's very close.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I guess I mean, I can ever, everybody wants it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Then I guess like, and come around to it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But we'll see, but you know, we're not in there yet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: At the bare minimum, can we just like not throw tombstones at your girl?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like at the very, at the bare minimum.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe like not throw your girlfriend's dolls into the fire and call her a stupid fucking idiot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like maybe like that's what we could do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not quite sure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about the magic shop because they are open for Bidness.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And Giles is looking so freaking cute.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Why did they really Let us linger in that pause, Todd, and Buffy walks in the store?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of my favorite dags.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: cutting to him in the robe and the hat, they kind of bet the kind of him, they kind of hurt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just back and forth and neither one of them sang a word until he thought he was just wordlessly just takes it all off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he realizes how goofy he looks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's such a dope great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love it so much.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Dorcus, that was the same costume that the Dumbledore on Stillt's War at my bot mitzvah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he was really was.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He at first is not getting like any business.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's starting to worry.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then they get insanely busy, which is great, lovely.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But he's all, it's like exhausting for him.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I, I was just saying this error.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, like two episodes ago, Anya, what is on his job?

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[SPEAKER_05]: What does she do?

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[SPEAKER_05]: What is she up to?

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[SPEAKER_05]: She found the perfect job first of all, knowledgeable about the products, love that, getting better at the customer service, saying hi.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is like the perfect scenes of which like we put on yet in of like, okay, leave me now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You paid me and the zander has to be like, okay, honey, like we have to like tell people to have a good day and she's like, why I got the money.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the long tradition of raging in sincerity was one of the better lines of

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[SPEAKER_04]: this episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then she's like, okay, have a good day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for your money or whatever she said.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I, it's just like the perfect onion beats.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's, it's so good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It, it constantly brings me joy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Not joy, joy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I also like that she was like, so, you know, mad, she first comes and it's like, I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm running out of money.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've never had to afford things afforded.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's making me bitter.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So like, how did she get her money before and where did it go?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did she just, did she have like a savings, like a savings?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then she has recently since being fired and forced to human, like got cut off and then she's just been living off of her savings for the last year or so, is that what happened?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the implication that before she was magical and grant people's wishes and so she probably used her magic to just like never someone would make a wish.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She kind of gave herself some sort of like really cushy existence, but now she doesn't have the wishes to profit off of anymore.

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[SPEAKER_04]: man, it kind of it makes me think of the great 90s, maybe too close and how like everybody had like, you know, there was like the tooth fairy, but the Easter bunny and like they all worked for like this like staffing agency.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm just like thinking of Ania working for like a staffing agency in each time she cursed a man.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like she gets like 200 like golden the blooms into her bank account is like score.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So on your work on commission is what you're that's what I'm envisioning I would be fun.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's what I'm seeing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just happy that now she has employment and honestly she does like did you see that gift wrapping that she did like she's actually really good at it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do think she has the sort of like

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[SPEAKER_05]: snarky, snippy attitude that you could appreciate from like a young retail employee, you know, especially at a magic shop, which is kind of quirky in and of itself.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love this and I love that everyone else has exhausted.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Everyone is like laying down their laid up, they're so tired and miss business sets on ya.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, you need any marking these up more.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like they

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[SPEAKER_05]: Just by this, it was very proud of her and happy for her on the same episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Good for you on you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She needs a job.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She just used one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now she's so happy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She has her job.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, painfully employed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I also like her telling Willow that Willow's gift wrapping looks like she wrapped it with her feet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it looks like garbage, Willow.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It looked horrible.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You should be a little ashamed of how that looked.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just a girl after my own heart with a passion for gift wrapping, which I too share.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, you do love a gift wrap.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, okay, we we've waited so long.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I need to talk about this woman and read.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I need to talk about her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, the abomination.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So is that her name is that that's what the monk culture and abomination.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So they refer to her as the beast and the abomination.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then whenever we're talking about the day gone sphere, it's supposed to keep way things that I know have no name.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So is that her?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we don't know this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we don't know this often, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a whole time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Isn't she asking the monk the whole time?

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[SPEAKER_05]: The reason she's interrogating him is to find out where the portal is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The key is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, she wants a key.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She tells me she needs it is what she tells them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She says, I don't want to be here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just talking about the city.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This, you know, country, this planet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean the whole mortal coil.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I need to be out of here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want the key.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Another mismuffet reference.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So a reference.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the mismuffet thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You all remember a back in season three during the faith and upbeat dream.

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[SPEAKER_03]: One of the things that faith says is they're making the bed is a little mismuffet counting down from 730.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we have the cards of my reference before.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now we have this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And 730 happens like in a season 3, 730, that's like two years worth of days.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's like 365 days times two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So almost, you know, I mean, this is like, you know, couple seasons after that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's, you know, something to think about there that we're definitely being discussed in the fandom at the time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Todd, do you know what the abomination, as I'm done, refer to her as, or I'll just call her the one in red.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love her red lip, and my God, she was serving.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She was serving, when she grabs, I think it's the janitor, I don't know, they're guy, not the monk, but the other guy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: When she grabs his head,

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[SPEAKER_05]: is what she says make this birthing stop is that what she yells and then like her hands glow make this birthing so okay that's what I thought she said but it's like birthing like giving birth birthing yeah yeah like giving birth birthing is what yeah it was very strange because then she her hands glow she like squeezes his head almost like she's like orgasming it's very much like again like climax sort of like release situation

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, but also before she does that she is like gone full manic mode is completely awful plot is like the whole thing I just did is her just like completely rambling rambling rambling and then she does that and he's like, oh, that's better.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love her.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I assume because I know Sarah something that we knew going into season five is the people who love it are like the big bad though, the big bad is incredible.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We love the big bad.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I first, you know my theory, Sarah, I was like it's harmony, she's going to actually turn into the proper villainous that she was destined to be, but I think she's a little too goofy for that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, Leobamunma, tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I can get on board with this bitch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think we got to get out and I love her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think when you and I are both craving is like a really powerful female villain.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think like the last time we got like a dash of that is Butcher Lulu, who of course we haven't seen in a good amount of seasons.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Even a little bit with faith, a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but thank goodness because Angel is redeeming her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Good for you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: After all of thank goodness for his hard work and his hard work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody could do it like him, not Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No one redeems like Angel.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Angel is our savior.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He saves us all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I mean, yes, faith.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just think that having

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[SPEAKER_04]: a female villain and like they try to do it with professor wall wall and like obviously we lost her like I think like the show wants like seeing the fight between

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[SPEAKER_04]: the abomination and buffy, like steam them, you know, almost on the same level, I feel like that's what we're like really wanting to see is like some like female.

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[SPEAKER_04]: on female like powerhouse fighting, no, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I lends, but you know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I feel like that's what's this craving.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I plus they had the enter, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, when was when Buffy fights, she's always growing in one lineers.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I loved that the woman in red was like, bitch, I'll come right back.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I actually was here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think she's a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that if she's our big bad, I think that I'm really excited.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She's definitely like Kuku Kuchu, like I taught like really good well done about the monologue.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure that you like brought that to drama school so that you can get the part in like the vagina monologues or whatever you try to do.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Why would Todd try to be in the vagina monologues?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Here's a good man Charlie Brown.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what you want me to say.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is a good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just a piece for a good man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Charlie Brown.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: One of my favorites, like just like brief scenes and all of the Buffy is her sneaking up on Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That little.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's like so bizarre at least she is obviously she's kind of in like the droolulu vein of like she's not all bare and she is like a different type of not all there Then grew was but like even like whenever she's like beaten Buffy up and then like she's like I'm going to see that thing with worms you're from a part yet two thing that happens to you with a Buffy hair is like

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, why are you hitting me?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Were you born in a bar and stop it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And just acting like it's like the most like, why would you dare hit me?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm about to beat the crap out of you, but you dare hit me, you, what is wrong with you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just like there's just something not right with her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it makes like a really interesting villain.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And also she is just beaten the crap out of Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She is fling him Buffy all over the place without breaking a sweat.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And she's just like, I'm just in broke a building.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, who's literally in heels the whole time, too, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Queen Queen status.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So do you recognize the actress at all?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Am I supposed to?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Her name's Claire Cramer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The probably the one the biggest thing she was in, she's in bring it on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's one of the, like, like, she and the, like, there's the two who are like trying to undermine her the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't, I don't know, but she is, I know exactly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, of course.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I guess we're just going to have to watch bring it on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just immediately stay in her because like you said, I love it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And of course, because faiths in it too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, there's a big reason my friends went to see Brandon on in the theater and it wasn't because of the killing movies because the two of them were in it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The big thing for us to go see in the theater.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I also, I recently watched a movie that had her and Tara and Cordelia all in it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They were all in this movie together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it was very, the only reason I watched the movie is because all of them were in the together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: a great movie, but I watch it because all three of them were in that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, okay, this trio of Buffy actresses, I have to see them what they're in this, I'm out there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Some sort of something grail, I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was, again, like very hallmark movie level thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I just, I love a villain that enjoys being a villain, you know, if we light about the mayor.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And there's something here, okay, I just put together, because this episode is called No Place Like Home, which we all know is like a Wizard of Oz reference.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The whole thing in the Wizard of Oz is the Ruby Red slippers, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the clicking them three times to return home.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This girl wearing head to toe red, red, red, red, dress wants to go or at least get out of here, wants to go home, use the portal to go home.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's

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[SPEAKER_05]: Just curly hair.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She has a red lip.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I am destined to stand, and I'm so excited.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Are we eventually going again, name for her, so we don't want to call her like late red red, the abomination, the beast, the girl with no name, like, what do people call her Todd before she gets named if she gets named?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't recall.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, Sarah, what do you want to call her?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you prefer woman in red?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you prefer abomination?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I guess we can't call a woman in red if she doesn't want red next episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, the jury's still out really.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If she wears red, then I think we're locked into a woman in red.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she doesn't then we could do a bombination.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I can do that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I'm very excited about her showing up.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm very excited about the temperature and that she throws to break a building.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love her.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love her so much.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love a petty woman.

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[SPEAKER_05]: OK, I'm so thrilled about her entrance into the show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Anything else about this episode before we get into a little bit of courties

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the one thing that I wanted to mention like the daygons sphere.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So daygons, like a lot of times they'll just make out like random names of No creatures or people or things like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Daygons was like a god worshiped an ancient seria.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like a pre-existing thing, but also daygons was

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[SPEAKER_03]: concert that was used by HP Lovecraft in some of his writings and HP Lovecrafts guy who created the cathooloo and like the whole idea like these ancient elder gods from other planes of existence and they come in and they bring madness.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so we see people kind of going mad, you know the night watchman crying.

01:00:04.475 --> 01:00:06.055
[SPEAKER_03]: She's talking about she's going crazy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's

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[SPEAKER_03]: Giles as a big atmosphere is usually used to keep away the thing that can't be named or things that can't be named are either things that are working for feared or possibly both so just a thing to know like the the name day gone has some connotations to it that a like horror fans and like religious

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[SPEAKER_03]: But and because it was thinking it was the source of all this stuff when really it's, you know, it's supposed to be a protective thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now it's done.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I just like the.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It really took me this time, like the the name, because like one of my favorite HP love crap place movies is called dig on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I just we watched it like a few days ago.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I was like, Oh, yeah, the dig on sphere got that name synergy going on there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, interesting interesting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_05]: That, I wish it was a little smaller because then you can make it into like a pendant for Dawn to wear all the time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's a little cumbersome to be carrying around.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, like it's bigger than a softball.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like it's pretty large.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, let's get into courty corner.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're talking about season two, episode five, dear boy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, Kate is back and we all just hate it so much.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but, but someone else is back.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Not enough, but a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We got Rulu, Rulu, Rulu, Rulu, Siding baby, and then, what did you not see Drew Lulu, Sarah?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Are you confused?

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[SPEAKER_05]: She was in the episode.

01:01:42.380 --> 01:01:43.361
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you not recognize her?

01:01:43.401 --> 01:01:43.901
[SPEAKER_05]: What's happening?

01:01:43.981 --> 01:01:44.641
[SPEAKER_04]: No.

01:01:45.382 --> 01:01:46.402
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't see Drew.

01:01:47.963 --> 01:01:49.203
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched you too.

01:01:49.623 --> 01:01:51.864
[SPEAKER_03]: We, we had you to see her.

01:01:54.970 --> 01:02:04.333
[SPEAKER_05]: It was her origin story, so when Angel and Darla, way, way, way back in time, she's like, I got you a pretty thing.

01:02:04.393 --> 01:02:06.393
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's like, oh, triplets, yummy yummy.

01:02:06.753 --> 01:02:08.674
[SPEAKER_05]: And she's like, no, one of them is a sear.

01:02:09.014 --> 01:02:12.475
[SPEAKER_05]: They could see the future and the girl turned around and it's true.

01:02:12.495 --> 01:02:15.136
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I just thought it was bunch of bitches.

01:02:16.588 --> 01:02:24.991
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we see like never he's talking about how like he's going to turn a vampire so she can like be Yes, or meant it by the memory of what he did to her family all the time.

01:02:25.011 --> 01:02:31.794
[SPEAKER_03]: And we see her doing her usual droolulu All right, I watched it again.

01:02:31.874 --> 01:02:35.535
[SPEAKER_04]: I watched I promise you I did even like anything in front of her.

01:02:35.595 --> 01:02:38.136
[SPEAKER_04]: She's crying and they're like, yeah, baby It's out

01:02:40.058 --> 01:02:49.811
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't pay attention a lot to the flashbacks, but maybe that is the best part of Angel is the flashbacks, so maybe I need to do like a switch.

01:02:50.332 --> 01:02:54.077
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you just pay attention to the flashbacks and not the present day.

01:02:54.938 --> 01:02:57.819
[SPEAKER_03]: these flashbacks, he's full and jealous in these flashbacks.

01:02:57.899 --> 01:03:01.180
[SPEAKER_03]: So that kind of like adds like a different dimension to it.

01:03:01.300 --> 01:03:04.880
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not sad sick angel after he got you know his soul back.

01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:12.502
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like this one was big darla and Angelus in like the height of their power and started to grow their family.

01:03:12.882 --> 01:03:14.763
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I hate myself really.

01:03:15.803 --> 01:03:16.184
[SPEAKER_04]: I do.

01:03:16.484 --> 01:03:28.312
[SPEAKER_04]: I let us tell you what exactly happened, so I, you know, I, like, I paid so much attention to the Darla shit and her gang of fake husband and her legal.

01:03:29.675 --> 01:03:33.658
[SPEAKER_04]: Luring the police and angel and there's this whole switch of room.

01:03:33.938 --> 01:03:45.647
[SPEAKER_04]: I paid such good attention to that and you may in like the in the some shit like some park and then she finally admitted it and then they did like some kissy kisses I watched all of that fucking shit.

01:03:45.727 --> 01:03:49.089
[SPEAKER_04]: I saw a K. I said fuck K. I saw a cake or the house.

01:03:49.169 --> 01:03:52.952
[SPEAKER_04]: I said fuck K at the house Yeah, we always say fuck K. It's cool.

01:03:52.972 --> 01:03:58.576
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, gone and west and the fact that angel was missing and like I don't know stole

01:03:59.497 --> 01:04:02.899
[SPEAKER_04]: Darl, I watched all that fucking shit, boring as fuck.

01:04:02.959 --> 01:04:05.540
[SPEAKER_04]: I said, oh, very nice, like, so cool.

01:04:05.921 --> 01:04:07.742
[SPEAKER_04]: But you're telling me we got Drew.

01:04:08.022 --> 01:04:09.122
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I hate myself.

01:04:09.242 --> 01:04:13.585
[SPEAKER_04]: I really do, because all you people are really excited as I watch these episodes very well.

01:04:13.745 --> 01:04:14.185
[SPEAKER_04]: I do.

01:04:14.285 --> 01:04:15.906
[SPEAKER_04]: I just recited the whole thing.

01:04:15.966 --> 01:04:17.167
[SPEAKER_04]: Just not the good part.

01:04:17.867 --> 01:04:27.639
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would just say like I will a chance that Sarah was like you're commenting on all the modern days stuff and I was I almost asked Well, I just think of Drew showing up because you did it now.

01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:32.765
[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't so I wish I'd done I wish I had to save you from this moment Sarah.

01:04:32.845 --> 01:04:34.547
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, but so funny

01:04:35.228 --> 01:04:35.528
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:04:35.628 --> 01:04:37.550
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm humiliated.

01:04:38.030 --> 01:04:39.151
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm humiliated.

01:04:39.171 --> 01:04:40.271
[SPEAKER_05]: I wasn't even just once.

01:04:40.311 --> 01:04:40.792
[SPEAKER_05]: She was in it.

01:04:40.812 --> 01:04:42.633
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was her.

01:04:42.793 --> 01:04:44.714
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no.

01:04:45.935 --> 01:04:50.518
[SPEAKER_05]: The thing is, it's obviously she's dressed like the 1800s or whatever.

01:04:50.598 --> 01:04:54.020
[SPEAKER_05]: Like she's wearing like a big floppy dress like it.

01:04:54.540 --> 01:04:56.521
[SPEAKER_05]: She looks original, you know?

01:04:56.742 --> 01:04:57.962
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just so upset.

01:04:58.102 --> 01:05:00.444
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm beside myself, you know?

01:05:01.324 --> 01:05:07.887
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, her appearance as a reason, like, oh, yeah, we, Sarah need definitely to watch episode five, so she can see the work in her dream.

01:05:08.027 --> 01:05:10.328
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm a thing that you're being a bit fair.

01:05:10.368 --> 01:05:11.889
[SPEAKER_05]: Darla was very fun.

01:05:12.029 --> 01:05:16.051
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I, as again, I said this for the Buffy part of the episode.

01:05:16.111 --> 01:05:19.092
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I love a villain who loves to be a villain.

01:05:19.192 --> 01:05:22.614
[SPEAKER_05]: And Darla revels in toying with Angel.

01:05:22.634 --> 01:05:23.934
[SPEAKER_05]: Let us the entire reason.

01:05:23.954 --> 01:05:27.636
[SPEAKER_05]: It was her, they brought back in the box or whatever is because Darla

01:05:29.957 --> 01:05:32.818
[SPEAKER_05]: And I loved when they do have this confrontation.

01:05:32.858 --> 01:05:38.880
[SPEAKER_05]: He finally gets her after Sarah was saying the cops are involved and Kate, who that gives a fuck about what Kate's up to.

01:05:39.381 --> 01:05:40.981
[SPEAKER_05]: They, he gets Darla alone.

01:05:41.001 --> 01:05:48.844
[SPEAKER_05]: And Darla, and she basically says to her, oh, I was never happy with you because I didn't have a soul because I was angelist when I was with you.

01:05:49.384 --> 01:05:52.085
[SPEAKER_05]: And she is just like, well, that can't be true.

01:05:52.105 --> 01:05:53.686
[SPEAKER_05]: We were together for like hundreds of years.

01:05:53.706 --> 01:05:56.527
[SPEAKER_05]: You only like to buff me because she was new, which I was like,

01:05:56.807 --> 01:05:57.988
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, shaming.

01:05:58.289 --> 01:06:02.112
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, she's making fun of me, you know, speaking tea.

01:06:02.772 --> 01:06:10.879
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but yeah, he says that because you have a soul now because she's human because we see her going to the light earlier in the episode, which is what makes thing everyone think.

01:06:10.899 --> 01:06:12.561
[SPEAKER_05]: He knows how to move in that.

01:06:12.641 --> 01:06:15.003
[SPEAKER_05]: My guy is needs to sleep in way too much.

01:06:15.103 --> 01:06:16.364
[SPEAKER_05]: He's he's depressed as hell.

01:06:16.444 --> 01:06:17.085
[SPEAKER_05]: He's losing it.

01:06:17.145 --> 01:06:18.846
[SPEAKER_05]: He thinks this random lady is darling.

01:06:18.866 --> 01:06:19.767
[SPEAKER_05]: Look at her in this online.

01:06:19.787 --> 01:06:22.770
[SPEAKER_05]: She's obviously not a vampire, but he says, well now that you are.

01:06:23.330 --> 01:06:37.858
[SPEAKER_05]: human you have a soul which means you're gonna feel all of the evil that you do and I love that Darla holds a cross up to him and she burns him and she says you know what no matter what God doesn't want you but I still do.

01:06:37.878 --> 01:06:39.899
[SPEAKER_05]: It was like oh shit.

01:06:40.460 --> 01:06:42.961
[SPEAKER_05]: They're destined for each other star-cost lovers.

01:06:43.221 --> 01:06:43.621
[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.

01:06:43.982 --> 01:06:45.562
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean she's she's really cool.

01:06:45.602 --> 01:06:46.703
[SPEAKER_04]: She's a really cool villain.

01:06:46.763 --> 01:06:49.144
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that that's why everybody was pointing me to but

01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:52.261
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's that too.

01:06:52.401 --> 01:07:02.124
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the Darla and Drew of all is like definitely like one of the reasons why this episode was like think people Yeah, definitely not Kate.

01:07:03.884 --> 01:07:08.205
[SPEAKER_03]: As as good friend of ours, Lindy's dad move over Zander Slander.

01:07:08.505 --> 01:07:09.666
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time for Kate Kate.

01:07:10.789 --> 01:07:13.973
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she's really, she's the worst.

01:07:14.013 --> 01:07:14.553
[SPEAKER_05]: Here's the thing.

01:07:15.094 --> 01:07:18.858
[SPEAKER_05]: And the show Angel, we're routinely, we're like, and you was kind of the worst here.

01:07:18.958 --> 01:07:22.241
[SPEAKER_05]: Like Angel is the LVP nine times out of ten.

01:07:22.622 --> 01:07:26.146
[SPEAKER_05]: Sleepy Angel, I think is worse than like depressed angel.

01:07:26.446 --> 01:07:28.768
[SPEAKER_05]: Sleepy Angel is so fucking annoying and boring.

01:07:29.249 --> 01:07:29.769
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, Kate.

01:07:30.310 --> 01:07:39.338
[SPEAKER_05]: takes that she, you know, hold my beer, Angel, I'm going to be the fucking worst, like her just being like, oh, and you gun, what's your record like?

01:07:39.398 --> 01:07:41.099
[SPEAKER_05]: Let me just go and check.

01:07:41.279 --> 01:07:43.601
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow, that was like a great crime.

01:07:43.661 --> 01:07:44.622
[SPEAKER_04]: I hated that.

01:07:45.062 --> 01:07:49.006
[SPEAKER_04]: I just like, was some shins are you making you jackass and he's just here.

01:07:49.026 --> 01:07:52.569
[SPEAKER_04]: He just has existing in the world as he doesn't have a criminal record, but still.

01:07:52.949 --> 01:08:11.216
[SPEAKER_03]: he does but still like it's not like courty or Wesley do is not like angels other associates have any sort of like records but she sees the black guy in the place like let me run a check on you and also she is a fucking idiot for not really up on drugs like I told him to stay out and you just burst right in like

01:08:12.409 --> 01:08:31.555
[SPEAKER_03]: on Kate you have you know what you are I know you can save my father because you know he wouldn't invite you in but now someone could lightly says we did not invite him in he came in any way and you just press passes because you got to mad on for this guy even though he has literally done nothing.

01:08:32.055 --> 01:08:32.776
[SPEAKER_03]: to you.

01:08:32.896 --> 01:08:41.285
[SPEAKER_03]: He has actually helped you and saved you and done so much and you are so, you know, it's a little people that I care about.

01:08:41.385 --> 01:08:43.667
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they don't actually actual monsters.

01:08:43.847 --> 01:08:46.810
[SPEAKER_03]: You horrible, horrible awful person.

01:08:46.970 --> 01:08:48.832
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate her so much.

01:08:49.032 --> 01:08:49.753
[SPEAKER_03]: She's the worst.

01:08:49.913 --> 01:08:50.574
[SPEAKER_04]: She's the least.

01:08:51.134 --> 01:08:51.335
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:08:52.210 --> 01:08:57.432
[SPEAKER_05]: and honestly Angel needs to like wake up more truly Kate needs to leave and Angel needs to sat being so sleepy.

01:08:57.972 --> 01:09:00.894
[SPEAKER_05]: It's it's ruining the show they need to get out of here with this.

01:09:00.934 --> 01:09:11.558
[SPEAKER_03]: Well in fairy now that he knows that Darla is the around and Darla's been the one that's been getting in his dreams and theory that sleepy stuff will stop because he's been doing it like magic powder to get in his dreams and so.

01:09:12.278 --> 01:09:13.659
[SPEAKER_05]: I paid enough for this bullshit, Todd.

01:09:13.699 --> 01:09:13.939
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

01:09:13.980 --> 01:09:15.681
[SPEAKER_05]: She's pulling all of the way.

01:09:15.741 --> 01:09:16.942
[SPEAKER_05]: She's having the visions.

01:09:17.262 --> 01:09:20.945
[SPEAKER_05]: She's getting them clients for Angel to fucking blow off some lady.

01:09:21.225 --> 01:09:22.567
[SPEAKER_05]: This is easy money Angel.

01:09:22.647 --> 01:09:24.648
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so obvious this woman is having an affair.

01:09:25.029 --> 01:09:26.470
[SPEAKER_05]: Take the money.

01:09:26.770 --> 01:09:27.531
[SPEAKER_05]: You're an idiot.

01:09:27.731 --> 01:09:28.952
[SPEAKER_05]: You need to pay your employees.

01:09:28.972 --> 01:09:29.332
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:09:30.473 --> 01:09:35.077
[SPEAKER_03]: I do really enjoy the bickering between cordy and Wesley.

01:09:35.357 --> 01:09:43.643
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think it's like really fun of her, you know, saying, well, you know, Wesley, why don't we just pay you every time that you find it interesting back?

01:09:43.823 --> 01:09:48.027
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, no, you know, why don't we just give him a hit or what the book?

01:09:48.387 --> 01:09:50.068
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, first of the weekly of the visions.

01:09:50.409 --> 01:09:54.232
[SPEAKER_03]: And then later on, she like tries to handle the phone and does it.

01:09:54.252 --> 01:09:58.235
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like, oh, I'm so glad you said, oh, Wesley, I'm stand up to her.

01:09:58.715 --> 01:10:02.418
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't sound like that just like their little bickering is fun.

01:10:02.618 --> 01:10:05.920
[SPEAKER_03]: Gun as has added like at some fun energy to the mix.

01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:06.821
[SPEAKER_05]: I really like cool.

01:10:07.462 --> 01:10:10.584
[SPEAKER_03]: I like the three of them as like angels back up.

01:10:10.684 --> 01:10:13.946
[SPEAKER_03]: Never angel is like not in a right place mentally.

01:10:14.006 --> 01:10:16.448
[SPEAKER_03]: But the three of them which do lots of fun.

01:10:16.468 --> 01:10:21.852
[SPEAKER_03]: I also I know just you don't like listening to angel sing, but Nolan does and he even

01:10:27.196 --> 01:10:29.939
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, an ounce of passion into it and it would be better.

01:10:30.019 --> 01:10:31.500
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I don't care if you're bad.

01:10:31.620 --> 01:10:33.382
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not, I, here's the thing.

01:10:33.662 --> 01:10:36.825
[SPEAKER_05]: If you're gonna be a bad singer, you have to be at least a passionate singer.

01:10:37.045 --> 01:10:41.910
[SPEAKER_05]: You can't be bad and disinterested because then it's like, get the fuck off the stage, bro.

01:10:41.950 --> 01:10:43.211
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, what are you doing here?

01:10:43.371 --> 01:10:43.892
[SPEAKER_05]: Truly.

01:10:43.912 --> 01:10:45.853
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't stage fright.

01:10:46.414 --> 01:10:46.854
[SPEAKER_05]: It does not.

01:10:46.954 --> 01:10:47.415
[SPEAKER_05]: He sucks.

01:10:50.677 --> 01:11:03.045
[SPEAKER_03]: The only other thing I wanted to mention from this episode, it just cracked me up is when Darla has her actor husband and he's like talking about all the acting stuff and she's like ready to kill him, he's like, I don't know.

01:11:04.086 --> 01:11:05.587
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's like, I don't know, you know, is it true?

01:11:05.607 --> 01:11:06.187
[SPEAKER_03]: Would I pull your chair out?

01:11:06.207 --> 01:11:22.754
[SPEAKER_03]: And this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this

01:11:23.287 --> 01:11:23.808
[SPEAKER_05]: It was great.

01:11:23.888 --> 01:11:25.209
[SPEAKER_05]: I had no patience for him either.

01:11:25.289 --> 01:11:25.830
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm with her.

01:11:26.251 --> 01:11:27.472
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, he was very annoying.

01:11:28.033 --> 01:11:28.733
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to eat it.

01:11:28.773 --> 01:11:29.895
[SPEAKER_05]: It's going to ruin my jawline.

01:11:30.576 --> 01:11:30.916
[SPEAKER_05]: Stop.

01:11:31.397 --> 01:11:33.579
[SPEAKER_05]: You got hired for a job, bro.

01:11:33.799 --> 01:11:34.680
[SPEAKER_05]: Eat a fucking noodle.

01:11:34.881 --> 01:11:35.261
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

01:11:35.481 --> 01:11:35.842
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't.

01:11:35.862 --> 01:11:36.142
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't.

01:11:36.162 --> 01:11:36.683
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't win with him.

01:11:37.993 --> 01:11:40.154
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, anyway, that was the episode.

01:11:40.554 --> 01:11:43.554
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, let's get into some feedback, because we did get some feedback.

01:11:43.594 --> 01:11:49.216
[SPEAKER_05]: We got an email from Chris, who says, I forgot how long it took to introduce the big bad in this season.

01:11:49.596 --> 01:11:55.277
[SPEAKER_05]: What are your thoughts on the weirdly realistic, but yet science, fictional relationship between the sisters?

01:11:55.337 --> 01:12:02.478
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we talked at length about their relationship, but Sarah, do you, I guess we should we should say this, how do you like the twist?

01:12:02.519 --> 01:12:03.459
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, are you thumbs up?

01:12:03.639 --> 01:12:03.919
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.

01:12:04.959 --> 01:12:06.360
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like huge thumbs up.

01:12:06.400 --> 01:12:19.987
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was really cool and interesting and I was not expecting it, especially because once again, like I knew that Michelle Trackenberg was going to come and like what I knew was that she was going to be a Buffy sister.

01:12:20.308 --> 01:12:29.633
[SPEAKER_04]: So the fact that like everything that I've seen did not also mention in parentheses, just kidding, not really a her sister.

01:12:30.153 --> 01:12:31.454
[SPEAKER_04]: I think like that's pretty incredible.

01:12:31.614 --> 01:12:32.915
[SPEAKER_04]: So I was completely surprised.

01:12:33.015 --> 01:12:42.183
[SPEAKER_04]: The scene where Buffy was in her trance and the photos started fading in and out with and without dawn.

01:12:43.244 --> 01:12:47.447
[SPEAKER_04]: And the fact that like dawn was in the background and at that point we're like, ooh, is she like evil?

01:12:47.507 --> 01:12:48.348
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what is she doing?

01:12:48.368 --> 01:12:49.108
[SPEAKER_04]: She's being so creepy.

01:12:49.148 --> 01:12:52.571
[SPEAKER_04]: The whole thing, like felt creepy to me.

01:12:52.611 --> 01:12:54.753
[SPEAKER_04]: Like very like harm movie vibes.

01:12:54.793 --> 01:12:56.595
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I remember, I was like feeling chills.

01:13:00.445 --> 01:13:05.227
[SPEAKER_04]: the upside down and stranger things almost like gave me like that feeling.

01:13:06.168 --> 01:13:10.570
[SPEAKER_04]: Especially like season one was like the first time I ever saw the upside down.

01:13:11.030 --> 01:13:16.393
[SPEAKER_04]: So I really loved, I really loved the twist.

01:13:16.453 --> 01:13:22.576
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was really great and I personally was surprised by it for all the reasons I stated.

01:13:28.270 --> 01:13:30.391
[SPEAKER_04]: And it was a surprise to me.

01:13:30.671 --> 01:13:31.991
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, very well done.

01:13:32.031 --> 01:13:32.791
[SPEAKER_04]: How about you?

01:13:33.432 --> 01:13:34.392
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, after Todd.

01:13:34.852 --> 01:13:37.513
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just want you brought something I meant to mention earlier.

01:13:37.633 --> 01:13:45.435
[SPEAKER_03]: And just like how creepy they had dawn at to make you think that she was like actually a malicious entity when she's just being a brat.

01:13:45.715 --> 01:13:46.535
[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome home, mom.

01:13:46.555 --> 01:13:47.775
[SPEAKER_05]: Make you tea.

01:13:47.795 --> 01:13:47.875
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:13:48.275 --> 01:13:50.456
[SPEAKER_03]: It gave me big, pretty little ires vibes, honestly.

01:13:50.716 --> 01:14:04.943
[SPEAKER_03]: every time they want you, every time they want you to think that someone might be a or might be evil, they will have to save these things in the creepiest way possible that aren't really like threw up, they're not like creepy, but they just happen to be talking super creepily at this moment.

01:14:05.043 --> 01:14:11.005
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a, it's a, give me big season four pretty liars, especially five, so we just have done like watching all of that.

01:14:11.045 --> 01:14:13.487
[SPEAKER_03]: But that sort of thing like, okay, we need to have our

01:14:16.548 --> 01:14:22.769
[SPEAKER_03]: by their basic nature, but could be taking this creepy if you think, yeah, she is like, do you think I care that you're the slayer?

01:14:23.270 --> 01:14:25.750
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, mom, here's a drink I made for you.

01:14:25.770 --> 01:14:31.431
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so you're just like, oh, no, what is this evil pod being doing right now?

01:14:31.851 --> 01:14:36.732
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like her standing staring at the phone with jiles, like they really amped all that up.

01:14:37.273 --> 01:14:43.354
[SPEAKER_03]: Just to make you think she could be evil, when really it's just like her being like a bratty teenage sister.

01:14:43.734 --> 01:14:43.974
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:14:44.816 --> 01:14:47.400
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think I'm definitely thumbs up on the twist.

01:14:47.500 --> 01:14:58.055
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think the reason being that the best twists are ones that theoretically you could figure out because they leave, they leave a trail of bread crumbs for you to like, you know, the,

01:14:59.256 --> 01:15:03.720
[SPEAKER_05]: Once you see the twist you're like, oh, like that's the best sort of a twist.

01:15:04.100 --> 01:15:08.904
[SPEAKER_05]: So I really worked for me and it really sets the stage for like how big this show can go.

01:15:09.945 --> 01:15:11.086
[SPEAKER_05]: So I really like that about it.

01:15:12.407 --> 01:15:16.430
[SPEAKER_05]: Chris says I'm the oldest sibling of three, the oldest boy with two younger sisters.

01:15:16.910 --> 01:15:23.535
[SPEAKER_05]: Older siblings are always obligated to fiercely protect their younger siblings and it feels like a calling of vocation and also a burden sometimes.

01:15:23.895 --> 01:15:24.236
[SPEAKER_05]: But then,

01:15:24.636 --> 01:15:31.882
[SPEAKER_05]: The younger siblings always have their own purpose in life, one we can't always fully understand, but that we, the older siblings, have to defend and keep safe.

01:15:32.222 --> 01:15:33.903
[SPEAKER_05]: By younger sister, Chris is too nice.

01:15:34.123 --> 01:15:40.068
[SPEAKER_05]: By younger sisters don't listen to this podcast, but if they did, I would want them to know, I would always keep them safe no matter what.

01:15:40.108 --> 01:15:41.869
[SPEAKER_05]: Why is Chris so nice and we're so mean?

01:15:43.431 --> 01:15:45.133
[SPEAKER_05]: it's the little hate within my heart.

01:15:45.273 --> 01:15:45.814
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

01:15:46.495 --> 01:15:47.196
[SPEAKER_05]: Chris, you're too nice.

01:15:47.416 --> 01:15:56.249
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I hope your sisters do listen and if not, send them this little clip, just then then they'll know exactly how you feel or you don't have to because you're like, I want to keep my feelings to myself.

01:15:56.289 --> 01:15:57.932
[SPEAKER_05]: That's also fine, you know, you do you.

01:15:59.053 --> 01:16:00.835
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, we also got an email from Joy.

01:16:00.855 --> 01:16:04.198
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey guys, what an episode to come back on.

01:16:04.318 --> 01:16:07.441
[SPEAKER_05]: I've been adjusting to a new work schedule and has thrown everything off for a while.

01:16:07.501 --> 01:16:09.083
[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know if I'll be able to keep up.

01:16:09.564 --> 01:16:13.888
[SPEAKER_05]: Keep this up every week, but I should be able to pop in now and again, I still listen every week.

01:16:14.329 --> 01:16:17.552
[SPEAKER_05]: I love this episode of Buffy so much out for a walk.

01:16:17.872 --> 01:16:19.752
[SPEAKER_05]: Bitch is such an iconocline.

01:16:20.073 --> 01:16:27.614
[SPEAKER_05]: It's perfect, spike spiraling out because he has feelings for Buffy and doesn't know how to process them as hilarious as it devolves into him insulting her hair.

01:16:28.114 --> 01:16:32.135
[SPEAKER_05]: We get the magic shop as Giles' new place of employment with Ania working there as well.

01:16:32.375 --> 01:16:35.776
[SPEAKER_05]: We get insight into who Don is and I got to say, y'all just accepting.

01:16:35.836 --> 01:16:39.417
[SPEAKER_05]: She was Buffy's sister that lives with her dad up until now was curried.

01:16:40.057 --> 01:16:46.083
[SPEAKER_05]: If I'm not mistaken, they already established that buffies and only child, but it was early in the show, so it makes sense that she could possibly have been there all along.

01:16:46.483 --> 01:16:48.064
[SPEAKER_05]: It was quite a genius way to add her.

01:16:48.505 --> 01:16:49.666
[SPEAKER_05]: Also, glory.

01:16:50.106 --> 01:16:53.009
[SPEAKER_05]: She is my absolute favorite, and I think you're feeling it.

01:16:53.469 --> 01:16:54.550
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, is that her name?

01:16:55.831 --> 01:17:00.215
[SPEAKER_03]: I was waiting for one of the feedback people to spoil the name of glory, glory, all right.

01:17:02.177 --> 01:17:05.278
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I mean, that's like the the lightest of spoilers.

01:17:05.298 --> 01:17:07.059
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:13.122
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm thinking should I, no, we'll just, because I don't remember how long it takes for them to actually use the next video.

01:17:14.543 --> 01:17:16.844
[SPEAKER_05]: For, uh, I think y'all are really going to appreciate her.

01:17:17.144 --> 01:17:18.484
[SPEAKER_05]: Joy, I got, I got good news for you.

01:17:18.564 --> 01:17:19.625
[SPEAKER_05]: I already appreciate her.

01:17:19.645 --> 01:17:25.788
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, for courty, courty's corner, we have deer boy, which expands on the dynamic between Angel Angelus and Darla.

01:17:25.868 --> 01:17:27.448
[SPEAKER_05]: I actually really like the Darla arc.

01:17:27.468 --> 01:17:29.309
[SPEAKER_05]: And I like that it shows Angel isn't perfect.

01:17:29.609 --> 01:17:30.870
[SPEAKER_05]: We already been known that.

01:17:31.470 --> 01:17:41.914
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, no matter how much debauchery, Angelus and Darla get up to, and no matter how much of a facsimile of love they shared, Darla was never going to be able to break the curse, because she never made him truly happy.

01:17:42.274 --> 01:17:44.415
[SPEAKER_05]: Not in that pure way that is required.

01:17:44.715 --> 01:17:45.775
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that distinction.

01:17:45.795 --> 01:17:48.376
[SPEAKER_05]: I bet y'all wish you'd never mentioned Kate.

01:17:48.496 --> 01:17:50.177
[SPEAKER_05]: You manifested her L.O.L.

01:17:50.297 --> 01:17:51.097
[SPEAKER_05]: So true, though.

01:17:51.977 --> 01:17:55.920
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, she's kind of annoying this episode, but at least she gets it in the end.

01:17:56.020 --> 01:18:01.084
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember if he's in this episode, but I know y'all have met Lauren now, A.K.A.

01:18:01.224 --> 01:18:02.205
[SPEAKER_05]: Lourney tunes.

01:18:03.025 --> 01:18:03.866
[SPEAKER_05]: I adore it.

01:18:03.966 --> 01:18:04.687
[SPEAKER_05]: Who is Lauren?

01:18:04.767 --> 01:18:06.088
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the the karaoke post.

01:18:06.128 --> 01:18:16.115
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes

01:18:16.275 --> 01:18:17.215
[SPEAKER_05]: Lorne Tunes, that's fun.

01:18:17.855 --> 01:18:22.956
[SPEAKER_05]: Also, they are at the Hyperion, which is probably my favorite set, is that the karaoke bar, Hyperion?

01:18:22.976 --> 01:18:25.237
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't even know how to tell.

01:18:25.297 --> 01:18:25.657
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.

01:18:26.157 --> 01:18:33.658
[SPEAKER_05]: I have to admit, it's been kind of disheartening to hear how ambivalent and apathetic show are to the series, and maybe slower times, but the character development is top notch.

01:18:33.958 --> 01:18:38.959
[SPEAKER_05]: I know it's not geared toward teen girls or even teens, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have its own value.

01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:42.820
[SPEAKER_05]: It's about the eternal struggle to do what's right, to keep fighting in the face of the

01:18:44.940 --> 01:18:50.801
[SPEAKER_05]: I think I said it before, but the ethos of angel is, if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do.

01:18:51.142 --> 01:18:55.963
[SPEAKER_05]: And I have to agree with Michael, I think that was his name, yes, that Michael fellow feedback ever.

01:18:56.403 --> 01:19:00.084
[SPEAKER_05]: Season 5 is a master piece, I think season 2 is the second best season though.

01:19:00.384 --> 01:19:02.884
[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of interesting things happen, and maybe they will change your mind.

01:19:03.324 --> 01:19:05.705
[SPEAKER_05]: I do know there are some things you're really not going to like.

01:19:06.145 --> 01:19:08.886
[SPEAKER_05]: But isn't a strong reaction better than we know reaction at all?

01:19:09.166 --> 01:19:10.207
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely, yes, joy.

01:19:11.027 --> 01:19:16.209
[SPEAKER_05]: One more thing, I can't believe you guys missed a buff East Creek or I guess I should say angels Creek.

01:19:16.729 --> 01:19:26.973
[SPEAKER_05]: We already know about Lindsey being Gretchen's gross college ex, but the father in the previous episode with the girl who has telekinesis, was Mike Potter.

01:19:27.133 --> 01:19:29.494
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, Mr. Pat, dot, dot, err!

01:19:30.734 --> 01:19:32.475
[SPEAKER_05]: We had a Mike, dot, pop, pot,

01:19:32.905 --> 01:19:35.787
[SPEAKER_05]: pot or or unbelievable.

01:19:35.928 --> 01:19:36.588
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, that's it.

01:19:36.608 --> 01:19:37.849
[SPEAKER_05]: I hope you all are willing until next time.

01:19:37.889 --> 01:19:38.009
[SPEAKER_05]: Bye.

01:19:38.390 --> 01:19:39.891
[SPEAKER_05]: I totally mean, you know what's funny.

01:19:39.931 --> 01:19:47.958
[SPEAKER_05]: Joy is I like, I saw his face and I was like, yeah, that guy, but I did, I did not connect it to being Mr. Dot Dot Er.

01:19:48.898 --> 01:19:49.639
[SPEAKER_05]: Man, wild.

01:19:49.839 --> 01:19:50.199
[SPEAKER_05]: He was.

01:19:51.702 --> 01:19:52.443
[SPEAKER_05]: He sat in time.

01:19:53.163 --> 01:19:54.143
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:19:54.203 --> 01:19:54.644
[SPEAKER_05]: He sucked.

01:19:54.924 --> 01:20:02.428
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, listen, I would say my biggest grievance with Angel besides Kate who we all know just sucks so much.

01:20:03.229 --> 01:20:07.891
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, besides her is that like I don't love Angel.

01:20:08.131 --> 01:20:11.733
[SPEAKER_05]: And like because he's the main character, that's like all big hurdle to overcome.

01:20:12.173 --> 01:20:14.635
[SPEAKER_05]: Give me Cordelia, give me Wesley, even gun.

01:20:14.735 --> 01:20:17.657
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm starting to warm to love those characters.

01:20:17.897 --> 01:20:19.237
[SPEAKER_05]: It's, it's the, it's the

01:20:20.418 --> 01:20:26.274
[SPEAKER_05]: The fact that Darla is here, again, if she brings out the Angelus, if we see more Angelus,

01:20:27.771 --> 01:20:35.334
[SPEAKER_05]: because me being more interested because you know I love a body and I love this like hateful, spiteful weird relationship they have.

01:20:35.754 --> 01:20:36.434
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm in for that.

01:20:36.594 --> 01:20:40.836
[SPEAKER_05]: So Darla's incredible and I'm really, really excited to have her back.

01:20:40.916 --> 01:20:45.758
[SPEAKER_05]: I just think she is like, I mean, Sarah, we were very devastated to lose her so early on in Buffy.

01:20:46.318 --> 01:20:48.439
[SPEAKER_05]: So now get her in Angel.

01:20:48.779 --> 01:20:51.340
[SPEAKER_05]: Definitely peaks my interest more than it had been before.

01:20:51.600 --> 01:21:10.590
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, for me, it just feels so Batman and broy and like only angel can save us all, it just like makes me like scoff a little so, you know, I watch it.

01:21:11.410 --> 01:21:11.910
[SPEAKER_05]: mostly.

01:21:12.291 --> 01:21:13.972
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, you don't need to watch this next one.

01:21:13.992 --> 01:21:19.735
[SPEAKER_05]: So the next one according to Michael's cross over list is episode nine.

01:21:20.015 --> 01:21:21.176
[SPEAKER_05]: So you got a couple episodes off.

01:21:21.236 --> 01:21:26.339
[SPEAKER_05]: If you want to take him and I will give you a recap, but if other people disagree and want to send in episodes, they think you should watch.

01:21:26.919 --> 01:21:31.882
[SPEAKER_03]: I think a Tom and I both think that seven.

01:21:32.702 --> 01:21:33.443
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, seven.

01:21:33.563 --> 01:21:37.405
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to highlight them on our spreadsheet Sarah of the ones that you need to watch.

01:21:37.785 --> 01:21:38.987
[SPEAKER_03]: actually seven eight and nine.

01:21:39.047 --> 01:21:41.610
[SPEAKER_03]: I think are a seven eight and nine.

01:21:41.630 --> 01:21:45.434
[SPEAKER_03]: We have just discussed that we think got it all should.

01:21:45.615 --> 01:21:45.775
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:21:46.373 --> 01:21:56.678
[SPEAKER_05]: And then then you got a big break Sarah, um, no, then I'll let it go next episode, so it's next episode to skip, definitely next episode to skip, yeah, the way to hear the title.

01:21:56.718 --> 01:22:03.761
[SPEAKER_05]: So we have for Buffy season five episode six family, which like, yeah, that makes a lot of things, yeah, nothing.

01:22:03.841 --> 01:22:04.621
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

01:22:04.741 --> 01:22:07.923
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, I mean, like there's we we have like,

01:22:08.703 --> 01:22:11.326
[SPEAKER_04]: a lot of family dynamics to deal with.

01:22:11.486 --> 01:22:19.175
[SPEAKER_04]: And the fact that Buffy now has to kind of play a house with Don and she knows that Don's not her sister.

01:22:19.315 --> 01:22:21.537
[SPEAKER_04]: However, nobody else knows that.

01:22:21.657 --> 01:22:26.382
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that that is like a really interesting thing to watch.

01:22:27.043 --> 01:22:55.766
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and then the name of the same gel episode season two episode six guys will be guys, but not like guys like male, but disguise guys, oh wow guys that you were yeah, okay, guys, what do you guys I was mistaken it's episode seven we recommend but then like nine can 11 that's what okay, so no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

01:22:56.812 --> 01:22:57.272
[SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

01:22:57.372 --> 01:23:00.654
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so you got like in every other sort of a situation Sarah.

01:23:00.794 --> 01:23:05.036
[SPEAKER_04]: And then yeah, I'm going to rewatch the flashbacks.

01:23:05.317 --> 01:23:06.057
[SPEAKER_04]: So I can see drew.

01:23:06.157 --> 01:23:06.978
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.

01:23:07.118 --> 01:23:08.058
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm okay.

01:23:08.078 --> 01:23:09.719
[SPEAKER_05]: Like it's a little different.

01:23:09.799 --> 01:23:16.062
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, I'm telling you Sarah because if you're used to van be drew Lou from Buffy and is a bit of a shock to see her.

01:23:17.332 --> 01:23:26.175
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, like I am watching it while I'm doing work as well, so we're watching, we never promised we were coming angel in depth or anything.

01:23:26.195 --> 01:23:27.395
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you do what you got to do.

01:23:27.535 --> 01:23:29.136
[SPEAKER_05]: We're watching, but I watch buffy twice.

01:23:29.256 --> 01:23:31.596
[SPEAKER_05]: I only watch angel ones because I'm not watching the show more than once.

01:23:31.636 --> 01:23:32.036
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying.

01:23:32.056 --> 01:23:32.156
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:23:32.176 --> 01:23:32.757
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's really like it.

01:23:33.097 --> 01:23:33.517
[SPEAKER_04]: Very true.

01:23:34.893 --> 01:23:38.395
[SPEAKER_05]: So that will be next week, very exciting stuff here.

01:23:38.495 --> 01:23:40.677
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't wait to get more of this villain.

01:23:40.857 --> 01:23:41.437
[SPEAKER_05]: I love her.

01:23:41.797 --> 01:23:43.559
[SPEAKER_05]: She's giving like the hair.

01:23:43.699 --> 01:23:44.959
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's the hair for me.

01:23:45.059 --> 01:23:45.740
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm so excited.

01:23:46.400 --> 01:23:47.061
[SPEAKER_05]: She's her girl.

01:23:47.221 --> 01:23:48.201
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, she's her girl.

01:23:48.522 --> 01:23:49.802
[SPEAKER_05]: She's her girl.

01:23:50.503 --> 01:23:52.024
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, that's what we have going on.

01:23:52.064 --> 01:23:54.045
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll be back next week with Buffie Todd.

01:23:54.445 --> 01:23:55.546
[SPEAKER_05]: What are you up to lately?

01:23:56.607 --> 01:24:02.470
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, over on Warwin, Tommy and I are about halfway through Gravity Falls over on Tune and Ian.

01:24:02.570 --> 01:24:02.951
[SPEAKER_03]: We are.

01:24:04.116 --> 01:24:24.125
[SPEAKER_03]: Almost, you know, having through the second season, we just had our friend David on recently and next week we'll have a Tommy's friend Briz who some of you might know from the circle Alex from the circle a few seasons ago, a will be on talking about the episode 11 of season two, then also previous little liars has started back up again.

01:24:24.625 --> 01:24:30.612
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can go here, me, try to lead everyone through, guessing about what's going on over there.

01:24:30.632 --> 01:24:32.254
[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, one of us are all podcasts.

01:24:32.294 --> 01:24:35.037
[SPEAKER_03]: We are in season two of Everwood now.

01:24:35.918 --> 01:24:40.083
[SPEAKER_03]: And I will also soon be on talking shit, talking about shit's Creek.

01:24:40.443 --> 01:24:43.605
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, which is so close to its end.

01:24:43.665 --> 01:24:44.746
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, I can't handle it.

01:24:45.606 --> 01:24:50.809
[SPEAKER_05]: Sarah, do you want to tell that people about anything else of many recommendations you have anything like that?

01:24:51.289 --> 01:24:51.630
[SPEAKER_05]: No.

01:24:52.070 --> 01:24:53.191
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you watch that?

01:24:53.511 --> 01:24:54.852
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you watch that documentary?

01:24:54.952 --> 01:24:56.372
[SPEAKER_05]: The unknown number one?

01:24:56.533 --> 01:24:56.913
[SPEAKER_05]: Of course.

01:24:57.013 --> 01:24:57.213
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:24:57.413 --> 01:24:58.514
[SPEAKER_05]: Such PLL vibes.

01:24:58.934 --> 01:24:59.354
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah.

01:24:59.574 --> 01:25:00.075
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah.

01:25:00.115 --> 01:25:00.895
[SPEAKER_05]: That's true.

01:25:01.235 --> 01:25:02.136
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:25:02.836 --> 01:25:03.717
[SPEAKER_05]: That was a wild.

01:25:04.157 --> 01:25:09.540
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I haven't watched it yet, but our friend Marissa also was like, guys, this is such PLL but it's so good.

01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:11.021
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's a movie I think, right?

01:25:11.101 --> 01:25:12.242
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's like, it's very quick.

01:25:12.302 --> 01:25:15.564
[SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't, it's not like multi-series documentary thing.

01:25:15.624 --> 01:25:17.045
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just a movie.

01:25:17.305 --> 01:25:21.828
[SPEAKER_04]: I did watch, um, overcompensating Adam and I watched it and we really liked it.

01:25:22.208 --> 01:25:23.208
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a show where a movie.

01:25:23.569 --> 01:25:25.870
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a show on Amazon Prime.

01:25:25.910 --> 01:25:29.592
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the college movie that kept like, I've been wanting to show the college show.

01:25:29.912 --> 01:25:30.813
[SPEAKER_04]: It was really, really good.

01:25:31.253 --> 01:25:31.653
[SPEAKER_03]: really good.

01:25:31.693 --> 01:25:32.554
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to bump it up.

01:25:32.574 --> 01:25:34.294
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it got picked up for a second season too.

01:25:34.314 --> 01:25:35.615
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I love that.

01:25:35.635 --> 01:25:36.575
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm very happy about it.

01:25:36.675 --> 01:25:38.396
[SPEAKER_05]: So I do recommend that.

01:25:39.357 --> 01:25:39.697
[SPEAKER_05]: Awesome.

01:25:39.797 --> 01:25:41.518
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know where to find us.

01:25:41.558 --> 01:25:45.259
[SPEAKER_05]: She and I, he's pod everywhere and we'll be back with Buffy next week.

01:25:45.379 --> 01:25:48.701
[SPEAKER_05]: So until then, everyone here and if the lesson.