Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 5 Episode 14 - Crush

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before It's just behind never ending windows All you need is a door Searching for something to put a smile back on your face Just remembering unusual times I can come from an unusual place

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[SPEAKER_02]: I need a partner for the ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word now be there Just ask

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's 20, 20 That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's 19, 19 There's a need to pretend I got a hand I can land Who's like you really need a friend Just ask

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shit 90's show start me!

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shit 90's show start me was not filmed before live studio audience.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you ready to play another day?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So are we.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to shit 90 shows taught me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just darling here with my co-host.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sarah, I'm free.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sarah, were you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jess, I thought that we were covering an episode of passions today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Turns out it's just an episode of Buffy, but it has the amount of drama that you would expect from a supernova or, you know,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Days of our lives, adjacent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was very dramatic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have a love square, a love square.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's four members involved kind of forgot harmony was involved.

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[SPEAKER_03]: to get harm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How dare you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Can I forget her?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like no one loves her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if she likes Mike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So she's part of the square.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's more like a because everyone is involved.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's connected to spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No one else loves anyone else.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but no one will pop you to anyway.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're recovering season five episode 14 crush.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But of course we're not alone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I assumed this was going to be a spike heavy episode when I saw the our guest was one and only TV Lindi and I was not disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Lindi.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How are you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so excited to be here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing amazing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to clarify is this a date.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is good because I wanted it to be so have either you ever gone on a date without realizing it was a date.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I have the problem.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would go on non dates and think that they were dates, but I have either you know, I don't know on the opposite.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a big, a big disagreement as to whether or not like what our first date technically was because like I insist it's not a date unless it's specified that it's a date but he treated our first like get together like it was a date.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we just would say he pay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, oh you guys were golfing anyway.

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[SPEAKER_03]: mini golfing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't get golf.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Wendy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, no, we did, we did, we did a, we did a, the splitsies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We went Dutch or whatever they call it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He would impave for the entire mini golfing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I insisted on, you guys will know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I insisted on it because I get uncomfortable when people try to pay for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, at the top, before we even get into the episode, we want to put out a very quick little reminder, PSA, just a little bit of like some housekeeping stuff or request, it's a very kind request.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When we love feedback, we love when any listeners ever reach out is so lovely to hear from people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Please be very careful about spoiling us on anything that comes in the future.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you even are like questioning whether you what you're saying is a spoiler, either it just don't say it or or another option is always put in the like if you're studying an email, put in the subject line, this is like for the end of the season, this is for you know whatever,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because we just, we neither one of us has seen the show, so we want to be able to for our, for, for our own opinions on what we're watching before we read what you all love listeners have to say.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, this is also includes if we are correct about something or wrong about something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the theories, the theories because we love to speculate and we love

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[SPEAKER_03]: think that this thing, we have this theory, and we are told, like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Remember when we legitimately thought Angel was an angel?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And no one said anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you said, oh, you know, but instead, like you said, like, I wish that Angel's past was that interesting or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, yeah, even though you're not giving a direct sport, like we don't want to be told we're right or wrong until we were revealed, it's not revealed that we're right this long because it comes and it'll take it'll take a little bit away from any big reveals if we like know they're coming, expect they're coming, know that we're right or wrong about something, even angel it don't

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[SPEAKER_03]: But even though Angel, we let care much less about than the show Buffy, it's still fun to have big reveals, you know, come naturally without us us knowing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it just be be careful, you know, we want to we love feedback, but we also just want to be able to form our own opinions without knowing things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: love the listeners enjoy when we come out with big theories that yeah are very incorrect or even like if we're speculating so I feel like the more

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[SPEAKER_03]: easily spoil myself and I'm actively trying not to like I genuinely am.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't need help spoiling herself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got it covered.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got it covered because I told you guys like even when I'm not trying to I get spoiled.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was on a pretty little liar's reddit page and I still got spoils and buffy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm shocked I haven't gotten more spoiled on Buffy just considering the fact that there's a reboot in the works.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like, because that's like, it's now back in the news that I would be, I have been very careful to not inflate it and infect my algorithm, okay?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's all just be cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's just the answer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just all just all just be cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll be chill.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd rather be stupid and oblivious than clue it in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd rather be Mac to cross the face with news that should be obvious and let us be so dumb and wrong.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I find it so much more fun to be also a professional bullshitter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I pretended like an entire season and half day knew that Michelle Williams wasn't going to die at the end of Dawson's Creek.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Spoiler, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oops, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kidding.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've all anyone who's followed the podcast is probably already seen that, but I think this is a great reminder because I think the problem is that like Buffy is a super special show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of people and so they're really excited for you to see it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But

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[SPEAKER_03]: For the listeners, I think it's good to remember that like you can only watch Buffy for the first time once and that's what Jason Sarah are doing right now and so like it's it's for the best to just let them experience it because they'll never have this experience again and I I want that for you because it's really, really fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's especially difficult because it's not a podcast where one of us has seen the thing and the other hasn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not like either one of us can like screen the emails for spoilers before we read them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you all can just pre-screen your emails and your messages to us, we would just so appreciate that and keep the feedback coming as always.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just be careful because we want to be surprised.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's enough of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to talk about this episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to talk about crush because we are barreling through this season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There is so much happening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously we are going to be spending the majority of our time talking about spike and everything he has going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I figured let's get the quicker hits kind of out of the way first.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The very briefly I wanted to touch on the fact that since Willow did the transportation spell on glory, she's been having some like nosebleeds and headaches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if there's anything to this Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just like notice they mentioned it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to mention it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's interesting that she's having like ongoing after effects from like performing difficult magic and I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously, it makes me, especially because it's Gloria Jason, it makes me think of like the joy stuff of it all, the people that are having like mentee bees in the hospital.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But on the flip side, I've seen a lot of witch shows, um, and magic movies, and

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[SPEAKER_03]: Every single time a witch does a really powerful spell that's like a little bit above their skill level, there's like nosbleeds and like headaches and like bleeding out of the brain.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I see that a lot in media.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it could be both or either.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do, anything that's very of the head involving like anything that's like above and neck.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh, it's just a glory thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've had the same thought where I was like, oh, that's interesting, like, could be brain stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm always worried about brain stuff now that we know that, like, glory is involved in brain stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Joyce has had brain stuff happening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And just because Lindy, this is the first that I think and you could totally correct me if I'm wrong here, I don't recall us ever having a situation where someone has performed magic and like, there's been like a lasting impact of like the amount

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[SPEAKER_03]: They've had to put in and then they're exhausted or they've had like side effects if you will.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't recall that happening before.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know, you know, willows obviously done various spells over the series, but I don't this is the first time I remember like going into an episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm feeling something from what I did last time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's a very common.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this is kind of new.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm pretty sure Tara and Willow did this spell together, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like we didn't hear anything about her having well, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's about the one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, Willow was pretty much like a...

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh, reaching with that magic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She was doing, she's all level seven wizard, which whatever she's doing level seven, which work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And preschool level level two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So she was kind of like reaching above.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, I also think that there's

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think like the direction that we're going in is that Willow is going to be like the alpha which, um, I think like Tara is kind of like a beta personality, which I don't mean as an insults, but like I just mean like she's willow I think is eventually becoming going to become like the most powerful which that we are seeing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: even if like we joke that she's not a good witch and that Tara has actual natural talent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the thing I think it's like D&D terms like Tara is more sorcerer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're like innately, she has more natural built-in witchy talent and but willow, she's the studious witchy, you know, she's just like trying real hard, she's studying a lot, she's the wizard of, you know, D&D.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, and I think that that, I mean, we talk about that a fair bit, like I think like I think that like my

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[SPEAKER_03]: a lot of them which media content that I've like consumed growing up Harry Potter charmed like they were born with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't may-bling and I think like I struggle like I have less and I don't know like I'm like you don't like nerds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think studying is actually a waste of time which I've said a lot actually.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't study.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's fake.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I don't know what to say to that studying is real, I don't know what to say to that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Study is real.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I do want to briefly also touch on this whole train situation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like we're introducing something else this episode where a train arrives to Sunnydale, which has train station.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we've ever seen this train station before.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And everyone's going to the docks all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No one is ever going to the train station, but there is one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it arrives and like, everybody's dead.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody on the train is dead.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a monster on the train that gets the like, not train conductor, but whoever is there to like, greet the train people, the monster gets him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't see what it was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they grew.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Vampire, you know, they stayed, they paned up to like above where you put the luggage and there was a doll with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a hint that Drew was was here in Sunnydale.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I watched this episode twice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: See, if I was spoiled on that, I wouldn't get to look like a big dummy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we get to live in the same way when I get to get that nice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh, now they're dolls, like, what's happening with the dolls?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot the TV doll.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The show has a passion for the doll.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did, I did for gigs.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, the doll is blindfolded, like, what's happening?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot you know why Drew always blindfolds her dolls.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Lindy, do you have any insight to that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause you, like, let's do fucking front of them and she doesn't want to rule out a lot of Steve.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Whoa, I don't think that Lindy was going to say that, but Lindy's not what I want her to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but off the top of my head, I think doesn't, because Drew kind of sees things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's got like the site.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So does she like blindfold the dolls so that they're not burdened with that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's very consistent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that a thing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that could be a thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I'm not rewatching Stranger Things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like 11 puts on a blindfold to go into like who see things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To help help them see you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because she does like white noise and like it's like a deprivation thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sensory deprivation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I don't think I don't know if that's happening with Ducilla, but I could see it either way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's either protecting the dolls or making them like her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think Drulu gives off the vibe of like, oh no, we must protect the dolls from seeing the harm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so she's like, she wants to like, they're Churchill during their her babies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, I need to not let them see all of the bad things I'm about to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but then she left her baby on the train.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't leave.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That wasn't great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, not with all those dead bodies too many, I can't believe I didn't realize it was anyway that makes sense it was a vampire and you know, whatever, but anyway, Drulu is in town now, which is very exciting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We got more crossover extravaganza because she has she has done in the slums of angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She has back on our buffy prime time baby.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, did that was that a thing that was shown on angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, we knew she was hanging out with, uh, with, uh, with, uh, Darla.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this happens after she was on Angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So she kind of took the train from LA over to Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We never, on Angel, we never saw like Drew being like, I'm going to go take the train today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, we get it on Buffy because she says, yeah, Angel lit us on fire.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like not so fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but that's all week.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the all week with basically it's like who cares about Trulu and Darla over on Angel this episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get into it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I was very happy to see Drew on Buffy because honestly, I mean, it was a little hyperbolic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I was like, I remember saying like, we're never going to see Drew on Buffy ever again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And all I wanted to see was her interacting with Spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I'm not very confident that after this episode, we're going to see even more of

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[SPEAKER_03]: pretty over-spike by the end of this episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did, threatened to kill her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's like just, that's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a day in the life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, when I saw Drew on Angel, I was like, ooh, like, what kind of crazy shenanigans is she gonna go into?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like seeing her with, by sometimes, I think, like, the scenes that we saw in this episode were really, really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So seeing her make like a cameo or a guest experience, Jess were used, spoiled by the credits again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I actually wasn't for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I tend to look away during the credits and if I can, I also will fast forward through the previously ones because I find that those tend to give a little bit of a peek into what we should expect in an episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So no, I was not spoiled.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that she would be back this episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was really excited to see her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think her in spike have a really

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[SPEAKER_03]: interesting dynamic and I don't know her theory I thought was really fascinating of like the I don't believe in science so just like um what it's like it's very much Sarah doesn't believe in studying like it's like no S.P.F.

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[SPEAKER_03]: is a myth it's like what I don't believe in science I don't believe in bits and molecules I can't see um okay uh but she

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you can get over the chip situation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You just have to believe it's like fucking Santa Claus.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like if we just believe, we can do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so she really wants naughty spike back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like she's tired of this like impotent spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't want neutered spike anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She wants spike at his full power.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That this is interesting, Lindi, that like we're going to see the limitations or or lack thereof in in the chip.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess if a person is already dead, he's allowed to take a nipple is what we've seen this episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because if they're already dead, he's not hurting them by drinking their blood so he can do that without pain.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So work around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, because he said, we all thought this was a lie, but like when he said to the Watcher Council people, like, oh, she lets me take a little nipple every once in a while about Buffy, we are like my can't be true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that's true, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's now he could have, yeah, we know that it is possible for him to do that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is really interesting though, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because Drew has just incredible timing, and happens to show up right after Buffy and Spike have really had it out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because Dawn, as we predicted Sarah, Dawn would be the one to be like Spike likes you,

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, that's a question, you know, I mean, yeah, but it only kind of comes after it comes out of like almost jealousy because it's done so like Dawn does Dawn things and she kind of like runs away after school and goes to spike and she goes to spike because spike is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: talked to her like a little baby child and tells her scary stories.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But she's also developed a crush on him, which is like inappropriate because I mean, it's probably as inappropriate as Buffy having a crush like we're

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[SPEAKER_03]: Buffy like dating angel or spike because of the hundreds of years difference because like what's like four years five years in the sense of a hundred years, but it's inappropriate because dawn's a minor, but also she doesn't exist.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe like and she probably is as old as time itself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So wow, what an interesting like philosophical debate of like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: is done really no age is she aged less because she was just created amongst is she six months old is she infinitely old is it more appropriate that she dates by no because she has the mind of a 16 year old and like the body of a 16 year old and the hormones of a 16 year 14 year old sorry 14 year old right but like it is interesting to think about the fact and

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[SPEAKER_03]: doesn't see spike as like a weirdo or it being an appropriate because in her mind, she's like, well, I'm not human.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So what does it matter?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Lindy wasn't at least such an interesting conversation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How she was like, I actually relate to you, spike the most because I was

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was nothing and now I'm a human and spike was a human, but now he's not nothing, but like not human, like that that one little conversation that interaction that they had I thought was really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's also that like he treats her differently than like everyone else in her life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like Buffy is treating her like a little kid and extra gentle now that the whole key thing is happening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know all of us friends treat her like a little kid sister.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so she doesn't have anyone who's like kind of like

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[SPEAKER_03]: older than her, but not treating her like a little baby.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think she really gets something different out of, you know, talking to spike than anyone else.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, they've, they're both kind of supernatural, but also like he's this really cool guy to her, who's like not babying her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's got to be like the best when you're 14.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a lot of things that Spike has going on that Don likes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's older.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It would piss off her sister.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's just so many things that she's like, oh, he's naughty.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I want more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, like you said, he really doesn't treat her with kid gloves like everyone else does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so she's drawn to him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I like that she is insightful enough to

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[SPEAKER_03]: God, you know, be catching on to the fact that Spike does want to talk about Buffie a lot and he does want to like, oh, what else has she said about me, you know, like he is interested in Buffie and he brings up Buffie a lot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she realizes it when Buffie shows up yells at Spike because Don was there and she shouldn't be there and you've been telling her these like scary stories blah, blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Buffy realizes Don has a crush on Spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: At the same time that Don says, yeah, well, Spike loves you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's in love with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Buffy is, this is so, Buffy's reaction is very interesting because, on one hand, she very much is like, you gross.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, yuck, can't be true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not happening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, Indy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The way that when when her and Zander are like examining the train, that very obviously was Jerusalem, okay, everyone's so obvious.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's obvious when they're examining the train together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she like brings it up, doesn't bring it up, wants to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't want to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, isn't this ridiculous, Zander?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Guess what?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Dawn said.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It gives the vibe of like, I need to talk about this, but I want to act like I don't want to talk about this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think that Buffy is very disgusted by this news.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It totally catches her off guard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I really love that scene where Dawn tells her this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Buffy's reaction of like, huh?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's all she says.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like such an interesting phenomenon.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I have fallen into this where

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[SPEAKER_03]: be you don't have a crush on somebody until you realize they have a crush on you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you're like, wait, you're kind of interested in me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, let me like rethink that and then like, wait, no, I now have a crush on you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, this is the end for spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's because

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's interested in her, which makes her see him in a different light.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then it's like, oh, wait, maybe I do have a crush on you or like maybe like all these things that I thought were just like me us like having like friend chemistry or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I find that it's and it's going to be interesting because I mean, I like she was clueless.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like in that

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[SPEAKER_03]: Does she have any idea and I was like absolutely not like she does not know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that she's close.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's it's buffy like very like I am focused at the task that I'm given at the moment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am given it and she doesn't have time or space in her brain to think about

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, like, do you think this person likes me?

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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think they they like about me?

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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think that they're thinking like, you know So I think it's it's kind of funny that She goes to Zander and is trying to like feel out what he thinks because she doesn't know how to think she didn't

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: None of that can relate for her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It does feel like the worst option of her to go besides like Giles be way worse.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But like I feel like Willow is a better option for like getting this because like Zander just laughs at it, which is like a very you'd expect him to laugh.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then of course gets very preoccupied with the fact that Dawn has a crush on someone else, which is like Zander stop it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like

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[SPEAKER_03]: I understand it's like cool when someone has a crush on you because you're like, oh, just a little on me, but like she's so young and it's weird.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like she's like she's 14, like stop it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Stop it, Sandra.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like she should have asked Willow, obviously she does talk to Willow about it later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like when you're trying to interrogate the situation, like assess the validity of it, Willow is probably the person I would turn to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's looking for a guy's opinion, right, Lindy?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think it's funny that like Xander in the end is kind of jealous because Dawn has to crush on Spike now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why are you jealous of Spike?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you weird.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he wants to be the cool one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I even the Zann man or whatever the hell he called him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Payday man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, hey.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Payday man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, because he's paying for drinks because he got paid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So then once Buffy knows this, like you said Sarah, it's like

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[SPEAKER_03]: get this information.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're assessing every little thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so when Spike shows up at their house with supposed information about the train, uh, the vamps on the train, she's like, okay, they go on a stake out together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He offers her booze, like it's very obvious that the people that are hiding out in this warehouse, the vampires in the warehouse have nested there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, he actually just wanted to spend time with her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That says nothing to do with the train stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then she gets the Ick at first.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's going to turn around later on, but she gets the Ick because she's like, you like, don't think of me like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't look at me like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's never going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Throughout the episode, I kept switching back and forth to being feeling sympathetic and sad for Spike and feeling bad for him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm like, wait, no, Spike's kind of fucking a jerk off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So now I'm like, Matt and him again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And these were kind of like the moments where I'm like, oh, and I think it's when, and I've said this also before, like the times where I like Spike the best

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, that's like when I, I like him the best so like I kept feeling bad for him throughout the episode, but then he would like choke out harmony and like this fucking dip shit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to see him on my screen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the show does that on purpose though, and he like, it's, the show isn't trying to pretend spike is someone he's not like they're like, yeah, he's a villain.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, he does bad things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he isn't the same as Angel who has a soul.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He maybe wants to try to reform his bad boy ways, but it is very, he has in, like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: He spent centuries or however long as bad boy spike, and so it's not easy for him to just like instantly change overnight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I like that the show isn't trying to pretend he's not this villain that we've come to know him as.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I, okay, I absolutely love this episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the comparisons to Angel as a vampire are super interesting between Angel versus Spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Don even, you know, brings it up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, Bobby's like, Angel has a soul and Don says Spike has a chip same diff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, it's actually, it is different.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But like, if you think about it, Angel and Spike both have these horrific crimes in their past.

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[SPEAKER_03]: a bunch of people and they've both done terrible things and the way the show treated angel in the beginning is very different than it has treated spike like just portraying them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Buffy's reaction spike in this episode is I think it's interesting at how you two are taking it up like oh now that she knows he has a crush on her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's kind of thinking about him differently.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think she's really disgusted and horrified and she

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[SPEAKER_03]: Completely shuts him down and doesn't give him even an inch and goes so far as to uninvite him from her house where she's been paling around with him for a season of half now and is now like I have to shut this down completely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't let anything happen here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's like future thinking once again that I'm doing like I think that we're looking like isolated this episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I you're of course you're right Lindi like it's like

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[SPEAKER_03]: She is like mortified, she like can't stand him, but like there's also like a gross infatuation or interest of like of the like crush.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think like at first, like when she first heard of it, it was like more of that curiosity.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then once he

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, she saw the shrine and you can't go back with the shrine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, we, we will spend like so much time talking about the Helga Pataki shrine because we really need to, but the thing, okay, because I agree, Buffy is like, repulsed by even the idea, like, she is so taken aback and just so like shocked by this turn of events.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That spike, it has a crush on her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She can't even believe it, but it is like she, again, she does protest.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She protests so much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: at some point, most likely, we don't know for sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not spoiled in that way, but like, we assume that's gonna happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're looking for signs, of course, that that is going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I think Buffy really is pushing back against this because, Linda, like you said, she is saying there is such a big difference between Angel, who has a soul, is for all intents and purposes, a human being when it comes to his soul,

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[SPEAKER_03]: he wants to suck blood because he has those instincts as a vampire, but he has a soul versus spike who has been implanted with a chip so that he cannot hurt other people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not that he doesn't want to, it's that he physically can't, without getting, really pain, you know, pain in the head, whatever, getting a blinding pain.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so she is like, I shouldn't have feelings for him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's not that she has feelings for him, but I do think, Buffy, well, maybe she doesn't realize it, but I do think there is just this chemistry between them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, we've talked so much about like the difference between the opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And

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[SPEAKER_03]: So even though she hates spike, that's closer to loving him than apathy, you know, like I just think there is something there and she is just so offended by the entire or deal that obviously she's going to push him away and I obviously like the way he goes about this is like not really the way to win her over right like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He is so pushy about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He goes like, oh, two people in the workplace, like feelings develop.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he is like pushing so hard at this that, oh, I've changed, like, you know, women-marry serial killers all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I can't stop thinking about you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's, it's so,

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[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't a slow burn, this isn't slow playing at Lindy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He is like, it's whiplash, like it is so intense immediately.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I just think that is true who Spike is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen him like, we've called him like a hopeless romantic when it came to Drew Lulu.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he feels big feelings and he feels them so hard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is just such a right turn from like what Buffy is expecting that I don't know that she would ever have any other reaction than what she had, you know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think her reaction in this episode is like totally valid because Spikes Obsession is very creepy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the shrine, but, you know, changing the role of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The sweater that he stole and is made, harmony wear, set a play in their role?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But like you can like so that's all really bad, but you can also see like what spike is thinking of like It's very telling in this episode to me that before buffy knows about spikes love.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay John is missing and she's like a little panic and like, okay, I'm gonna go find her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Where does buffy go?

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[SPEAKER_03]: She goes to spike to get his help.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like she he is a trusted

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[SPEAKER_03]: person for her like before all of the events didn't go to the school be didn't go to jiles like exactly she goes straight to spike and it shows like how their working relationship has developed over time like can you imagine that happening you know a few years ago no that's ridiculous but like spike with the chip has come

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[SPEAKER_03]: far in that he's like trying to be on Buffy's side, even though he's not like Angel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't have a soul.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's just a serial killer in prison, but he's making his decisions based on wanting to impress Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's so he's like doing the right thing because he's obsessed with her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's, I mean, it's really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sir, I do think that's also fascinating that

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[SPEAKER_03]: While Spike is very much very, he's very pushy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He is like saying all of the things that he thinks he's supposed to be saying, I think about you all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't sleep at night and you don't even sleep at night usually during the day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's saying all of the things that he thinks she wants to hear.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like if you want me to stop being evil, like I'll do that for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Buffy won't even entertain this conversation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I do think it's interesting that he, if we've talked a lot about Buffy's communication issues in relationships, and the fact that she's not even willing to have this conversation with Sponsor.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's someone who wants to talk it out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I gotta say that I have seen not more like I've seen a good amount of times that men love to pounce on newly single women like oh they're single now let me try to get the end like

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[SPEAKER_03]: some girlies need time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if part of it is like got a swoop in while I can before she scooped up and off the market again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know so, but like I think it's like crazy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I remember like years and years and years ago when I like march like my like Facebook status is single.

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[SPEAKER_03]: than all of a sudden, I got to make such an age.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been in like literally 2,000 in like 13, but like still, I like marched myself as single.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I got like three guys, like, this is a humble brag, Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's a humble brag.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, everyone wanted to date me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, nobody wanted to date me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you want to do me, but I just wanted to get it in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then probably, but then like, but then I went on the D, but I went nowhere because I was so like hung up on like the guy that I had just like, and did it with.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think like spike in these, it's I think that

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all of this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I do think that's one of those things were spiked in it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Really have an option at this point because Buffy was like, is this a date?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, this is his opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He can't say, like, he does try to deny it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then he goes, do you want it to be?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: He can't help himself because he's been working up towards admitting his feelings to her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he kind of is forced to say it at that point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he's like, prominently shut out, door sland in his face.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so when Jerusalem comes along, and she's like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, basically saying I accept all of you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love the evil that you have of like I missed you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so easy for him to get sucked back in, but that I found it so interesting that almost immediately you just see how unhappy he is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like this isn't bright like she brings him upstairs or whatever that little walking area is like a balcony in the bronze.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what that's

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh, she kills the couple and like throws the girl at him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He watches her like just loving like reveling and getting to suck this guy's blood and he like very much hesitates before put out his van face and sucking blood.

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[SPEAKER_03]: then is the concept of the chip working, the redemption arc of chip.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yes, it is, like he has the chip, he is basically, you know, neutered and he does not is finding less and less joy of being evil.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He likes being a dick, but there's plenty of non-murtars that are dicks out there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be a dick, you don't have to be a vampire.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that it's just part of his overall redemption arc of, I'm eventually going to be a good guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that I think that, yeah, sometimes you

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[SPEAKER_03]: You, you change yourself to be a better person for somebody that you like or you change who are, for I mean, it's not like not like in, in most cases, it's not a good thing to change who you are for another person, but well, let's you're evil.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess in this case, might be one of the few reasons why maybe you should change.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that true change takes a long time and I also think that no matter how much he tells Buffy that I'll be good for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that Buffy is wise to

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[SPEAKER_03]: not consider it because what I mean like how long has he had the chip for like has it been a year again maybe probably about a year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been over a year I think because I was at the beginning of season four.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but then he spent like 300 years being evil.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe he needs like a another 300 years time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like he's trying to relearn how to be a good human, which you said he spent so much time being evil.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And even when he was human like was he a good human, we don't know enough to truly say that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And even though it does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a water sign just of course he's a good person.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think that like I think that there is also a layer of like even when he was human he wasn't treated well by society and he had like a very jaded view of

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[SPEAKER_03]: Friendship of relationships of love because he was getting rejected all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he was an outcast even then.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he was even more isolated and, you know, forced to be an outcast as a vampire.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that

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[SPEAKER_03]: He probably, I mean, he definitely has a very skewed idea of love.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's very romanticized.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He is prime in cell behavior.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If he was in this stage, he would be on the dark reddit, talking about how much women suck, 1,000 percent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like he's playing at being, it's like he's performing being nice, like he doesn't quite understand what it means to be a good person.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's he's he's he's trying but like it's not quite there like you know not earned.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not earned like you can't go from

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, guess it's been a year, but like you can't go from murderous vampire to like nice guy next door in a matter of minutes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we see like those cracks in his armor when we're behind doors and he's like does his little

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[SPEAKER_03]: tantrums.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're he just lightly destroys all of his possessions and throws things and acts out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like we see like the chink in that facade and

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I mean, like, I feel as though he or the crack in the facade, the chink in the armor, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that he like needs more time to marinate and of course, Buffy's not going to hear him out because half the ton.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, Buffy's at this point near to spike on a regular basis, but also spike is like, you know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's just their way of talking to each other.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just the way that they are.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Isn't it so cute?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Isn't it so romantic, Lindi?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't you just love it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why are you attacking me?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to talk to you, but I was still in the middle of my bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't mean to be like, I'm not copying you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't actually know your stance on the stuff we have at all, but, um, I, well, I was trying to throw it to you, but I, you got, like, just in the crosshairs of my car in the middle of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even do anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You can try to be a good person, but if the evilness is within your bones, it just comes out sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the crack in the facade as I just said.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think the thing is that like spike has not really made a choice to be good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like forced into it by having the chip forced on him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's the issue of like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: of what Buffy is saying like you're not you haven't changed you're just being held back by something you didn't even like want and if you somehow got rid of the chip like I'm sure that she thinks that he would just go back to his old ways if he got rid of the chip.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's why it's such a such a leap to be to think of him as like having grown and change since he got the chip because yeah he can't hurt people but that's not that's not what

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's turning this to his advantage of like, oh, well, I can't hurt people and that will help me with Buffy because she doesn't want me to hurt people, but like, the goal for him right now is not like, oh, I'm going to do good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I want to do violence on demons because that's something I still can do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And hey, that'll make the target of my obsession like me more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, as far as my stance right now, I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of what I thought the first time I saw this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was I was probably on board of like, oh, yeah, I want one study to become a thing because people are sickos.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're listening to the action.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it toxic?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it entertaining and do they have chemistry?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I want good TV, okay?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, listen, it's good TV.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Spike being desperate for Buffy is funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Get to the shrine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But before we talk about the shrine, I have to talk about Buffy going to Willow and Joyce.

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[SPEAKER_03]: to tell them about the whole spike loves me bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, because Joyce would her go into pat if you had relationship issues.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm mom getting a name drop.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're I. Oh, actually, you are such a mom's girl.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You would go to your mom in a second.

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[SPEAKER_03]: back in to actually don't talk to my mom about like relationships stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I really nip because it's like awkward for me and just to get's weird.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Joy's basically being like, um, were you dressed like a slut, but did you lead him on?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Buffy like, um, joys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not like Joyce in this scene because like Joyce clearly is fond of Spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like she was just having a conversation with him like thinking him for like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now she's all disturbed that Spike might love Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, why do you care, Joyce?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I mean, I see that Joyce likes Spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, we see that one's so handsome.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Where he's just hanging out on the counter, the kitchen counter, laughing it up with Joyce and family friend.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll let me tell you about the time in the gallery.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't give a fuck, Joyce.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know if this is his early job.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's it's performative.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's doing it because he's like, this is Buffy's mom.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have to be nice and maybe he gives a single shit about Joyce's story about the gallery.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I mean, it sounded really funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Don and spikes seem to really into it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it was a funny story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe a brain cancer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They have to laugh a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I think choice might be low key funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we just don't get to see those moments.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have to hear what I guess I got to read.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to laugh at our joke.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I need to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But they all agree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, Buffy is like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Was I a little gray about it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, Buffy, you were really harsh.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't think you were gray at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Which is why I was like, does she just want to see Spike?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because she's like, no, I really need to go clarify things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, do you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you need to go clarify things?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I forget does spike know that Buffy and Faith were body swapped when When Faith came on to him but was like in Buffy's body and season four.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot that happened but I don't think he knows that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't, I can't remember if he knows that or not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's intro, like, good enough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was confusing for him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just really interesting, because she's like, uh, uh, yeah, like the way of like, oh, but does he really know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, well, I really should go like really talk to him and make sure he knows.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so,

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[SPEAKER_03]: As Drulu and Spiker out at the bronze, Buffy goes into Spikescript and starts poking around and she finds his little hidey hole, and in his hidey hole is a super creepy fucking shrine with like drawings of her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's the mannequin with her sweater on like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's held up a tacky realness in the creepiest, she might as well have had, or he might as well have had like a bubblegum mannequin of her at that point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it was so creepy, it was so off-putting, of course she's going to be weirded out by this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like this is, this is a bridge too far.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yes, you love me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is creepy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is stalker behavior.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, plus I have the the mannequin with the her sweater and the blonde wig and like a lot of pictures and it probably had like little bits of her trash.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it I mean, it's it's basically a's layer right windy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this was giving pretty little iris energy of like there's this there's this place where they've got all the surveillance pictures and it's like you don't need all those photos like You know what your mission is, but for some reason you want to paper the whole wall with the same stuff concrete evidence right

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't see any poems up there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He should... Yeah, where were your poems about Buffy?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, come on, spy, get it together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But of course, that's when Spike and Drew Liu show up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I just say, I loved your cell as so much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I really do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love her line of my husband feeding again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know what he really wants to eat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah, the, the, the, I mean, this was a spicy moment between none of the taser comes out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's really spicy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The taser comes out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we think that he's going to go after a buffet, but in reality, he kind of goes after both of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he chains up both of them, which might be his best case scenario.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's very kinky, yeah, it's like, well, I need to tie buffy up because once she can kick my ass and I can't do anything about it, but also I need to make sure she understands to be very clear and she won't stick around so I have four to tie her up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he basically Lindi is like, listen, I love you so much and to prove my love, I'm going to kill Drew.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a big fucking deal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, this is really, really fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because, first of all, I love how Drew Silla is like, it's not nice to change the game, mid play.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You've taken my chair and the music hasn't stopped.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's so funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then the fact that Spike is willing to kill Drew Silla, I'd believe him that if Buffy indicated interest that he would have,

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[SPEAKER_03]: So then part of me is like, could Buffy have pretended for it only the next 10 seconds and gotten rid of a dangerous vampire?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, maybe that could have been a part of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's been really stupid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, just pretend to like him for two fucking seconds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he kills a huge enemy of yours, Buffy, a woman who most assuredly wants you fucking dead.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if she didn't before, she really fucking does now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just pretend for like a hot second.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're gonna play the game sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like it's obviously just because like these are big characters, but like in reality, Buffy should have killed both of them like long ago.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what Adam, my husband, says all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, why doesn't Buffy just kill Spike?

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's right there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have plot armor at him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the only reason that he's looking to see because the writer is fucking like the actor.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's exactly the answer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But actually, there's so many opportunities where

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, Buffy does have an opportunity to get out a drew or a spike or whoever, and she's just like, Oh, he's like, he walks out the door again, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, Buffy could have come out of this episode, killing Drucilla, Spike, and Harmony, and she managed to kill none of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think she even wanted to, is the problem.

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[SPEAKER_03]: LVP, LVP, Buffy, what are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is what I was at.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No one remembered her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I totally forgot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She was a part of this equation where like Spike has so many compliments for Dr. Celia.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do love, again, he is a poet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He says she was the face of his salvation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She delivered me from mediocrity for over a century.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We cut a swath for continents, a hundred years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She never stopped surprising me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Never stopped taking me to new depths.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was a lucky bloke just to touch such a black beauty.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He really has kind of words for her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, ruined, bloodshed, epic, am I right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So good, so good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's just like, you all you have to do is admit, there's something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a tiny, teeny, tiny feeling that you have.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then if you don't, this is where he goes like, I mean, listen, we were already, the egg was already there, way before the shrine even showed up, but then the shrine, it's like, iconic, on egg.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the idea of like, listen,

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't fucking say you like me, if you don't say that you like me, even a little bit, I'm an odd tiger, and she's gonna fucking kill you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My guy, this is not the way to get what you want.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so bad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I suppose, so funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no way is funny, it is funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, shit, she won't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, Buffy, you fucking dumbass.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, all you gotta do is be like, yeah, sure, I love you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The only thing that she has in this world is her dignity.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why would you give up her dignity for this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I give up my dignity for a lot less.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me tell you, sure, but you're a little trash grumbling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, yes, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, he's really upset.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, all you women are torturing me, and then he comes to harmony with the real torture, which is a freaking crossbow bolt to the back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: like why don't you think of me?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the actual girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well, you're a relevant babe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She gave him the best months of her life, the best punch of months, trust.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's so perfect.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love her so much and she gets so mad because he treats her like a dog and then we get like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's fighting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's fighting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Drulu gets loose.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She starts attacking Buffy who's still chained up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then Nink comes spike because he doesn't want Drew to kill Buffy and it's that everyone's fighting, starting his true allegiances here by knocking over Drew and saving Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's like the equivalent of like going to tribal council for the first time and seeing who you vote with, essentially.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we're going to go through your alliance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You really like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Loyalty's lie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that is a one to one comparison, my friend.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love nothing more than Harmony saying you could say goodbye to this and pointing to her ass and saying, because you're never going to see it anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Unless you run into me and it's me walking away from you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then you know, I'll I'll just back away instead.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope that Harmony sticks to what she's saying because she deserves a fellow vampire that is as obsessed with her as she is with him like he has not treated her well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: at all, the entire time, the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I hope that obviously this is not the last time we're going to see her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope the next time we see her, she's and they have the healthy relationship and then she can get state with him and share their last moments together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So romantic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember when I thought she was going to be the big god of the season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't find.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think what we got was better.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So anytime harmony's on my screen, I'm happy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm a happy camper.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you're is like, man, you are too far gone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I had a feeling that this was like going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I had a vision and you are so down bad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: crying at the gym.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I told it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She called it like eons ago.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She did shoot in 1997.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In front of these the chaos monster.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: when they show that flashback, it says in 1997, and I have to remind myself that that's not like, oh, that's not 20 years ago, that's like in the show, it's like a few years, like two or three years prior, yeah.

01:00:07.463 --> 01:00:07.803
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:00:08.064 --> 01:00:12.611
[SPEAKER_03]: So she's like, which also I feel like is good for her too.

01:00:12.631 --> 01:00:19.823
[SPEAKER_03]: She should be and first bike, like they were, they have spent a couple of good hundred years together.

01:00:19.803 --> 01:00:25.351
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, some stories are, some love stories are short stories, not novels.

01:00:26.072 --> 01:00:29.718
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a fucking novel and I have novels that go for a really long time.

01:00:31.300 --> 01:00:32.241
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's good.

01:00:32.261 --> 01:00:32.742
[SPEAKER_03]: She leaves.

01:00:33.083 --> 01:00:33.784
[SPEAKER_03]: She needs to leave.

01:00:33.824 --> 01:00:35.727
[SPEAKER_03]: She probably has to go back to Angel, like, truly.

01:00:35.787 --> 01:00:37.489
[SPEAKER_03]: She's probably like, oh, I've got to catch the bus.

01:00:37.950 --> 01:00:39.472
[SPEAKER_03]: It's sad for Ducilla.

01:00:39.572 --> 01:00:46.823
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're, you know, feeling bad for Ducilla, I mean, maybe you

01:00:46.803 --> 01:00:47.804
[SPEAKER_03]: But Spike has done.

01:00:47.864 --> 01:00:52.569
[SPEAKER_03]: She's now was like the ultimate betrayal because she sired him.

01:00:52.689 --> 01:01:02.158
[SPEAKER_03]: She's the one who turned him into a vampire and then they went on this like global rampage together for hundreds of years and he killed two slayers and they shared all of that.

01:01:02.478 --> 01:01:16.472
[SPEAKER_03]: And now he has literally shoved Jerusalem aside in order to save a vampire slayer.

01:01:16.452 --> 01:01:27.272
[SPEAKER_03]: I've gone too far to the United, she loves a bad boy and he's no longer a bad boy in her mind, but then to Bobby it's like he's he's evil

01:01:27.640 --> 01:01:29.082
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she punches him in the face.

01:01:29.422 --> 01:01:31.445
[SPEAKER_03]: She storms off and he follows her.

01:01:31.705 --> 01:01:32.987
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't walk away from this.

01:01:33.027 --> 01:01:34.749
[SPEAKER_03]: We had a fight.

01:01:34.809 --> 01:01:37.272
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not our first and it doesn't change anything.

01:01:37.312 --> 01:01:40.856
[SPEAKER_03]: And he is like, she says, you stay away from me.

01:01:41.037 --> 01:01:41.918
[SPEAKER_03]: Stay away from my family.

01:01:42.058 --> 01:01:43.880
[SPEAKER_03]: You stay away from everything I love.

01:01:43.940 --> 01:01:46.003
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want you around at all.

01:01:46.323 --> 01:01:47.765
[SPEAKER_03]: And he says, I'm in your life.

01:01:47.785 --> 01:01:48.886
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't just shut me out.

01:01:48.906 --> 01:01:50.488
[SPEAKER_03]: And she literally slams the door in his face.

01:01:50.528 --> 01:01:54.373
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, a gas that she would dare kick him out in the house.

01:01:54.353 --> 01:01:58.579
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, like basically the force field has she's uninvited him.

01:01:58.659 --> 01:02:05.648
[SPEAKER_03]: So like he tries to walk through the door and he cannot because he's uninvited, which not did make me a little bit sad.

01:02:05.668 --> 01:02:08.412
[SPEAKER_03]: You love another dog.

01:02:08.472 --> 01:02:17.003
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I felt a little bad for him in that moment as well, where he was just trying to talk to her and he got shut out, but.

01:02:16.983 --> 01:02:23.829
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably about time like that was that that was a big question why that hadn't happened by now.

01:02:24.830 --> 01:02:28.834
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was probably probably a well past do.

01:02:30.415 --> 01:02:34.779
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, again, it's just one of those things were like spikes just a great character.

01:02:34.879 --> 01:02:38.202
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's why they haven't shunned him before this or killed him.

01:02:38.242 --> 01:02:42.065
[SPEAKER_03]: But okay, I absolutely love this episode.

01:02:42.085 --> 01:02:46.129
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I'm here, of course.

01:02:46.109 --> 01:02:50.796
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of encapsulates everything I love about the show like that it has everything.

01:02:50.897 --> 01:03:03.156
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's got action and it's got romance and friendship and comedy and drama and then the way that this I mean it's got like villains and heroes and like but also like

01:03:03.136 --> 01:03:04.518
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not all black and white.

01:03:04.558 --> 01:03:19.281
[SPEAKER_03]: There's gray in there and the way that this ends in such a gut punch for spike of like the look on his face when he realizes that Buffy has uninvited him like the their fight did not face him at all the violence did not face him at all hit her like punching him.

01:03:19.682 --> 01:03:20.964
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just another day for him.

01:03:21.084 --> 01:03:30.358
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't fall for him baby and then like bouncing off of the door frame of like she actually uninvited me like this is

01:03:30.338 --> 01:03:39.399
[SPEAKER_03]: real like she really does not want me around like that's like devastating to him and I imagine and she's like his oldest like deepest world.

01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:45.192
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes rejection and so I think it's a really powerful ending here.

01:03:45.610 --> 01:03:57.065
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're right, it does make you feel bad for him, even though he's doesn't like terrible things in this very episode and he's it's really dark, but then at the end, you're like, oh, I love how I can do that.

01:03:57.505 --> 01:04:03.593
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, okay, sorry, this episode has so many great lines in it.

01:04:04.434 --> 01:04:10.842
[SPEAKER_03]: At some point, maybe when we're done, I would like to, I would like to run down all my favorites from this episode.

01:04:12.037 --> 01:04:15.481
[SPEAKER_03]: Give me your, give me your top two and then we'll do two.

01:04:15.982 --> 01:04:17.203
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, top three, give me top three.

01:04:18.065 --> 01:04:18.605
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.

01:04:18.906 --> 01:04:28.077
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know what, when Bobby is telling Zander on the train about this, that spikes in love with her and he starts like maniacal laughter.

01:04:28.117 --> 01:04:31.461
[SPEAKER_03]: And then she's like, this, I'm not joking.

01:04:31.501 --> 01:04:33.083
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, oh, I hope not.

01:04:33.364 --> 01:04:35.226
[SPEAKER_03]: It's funny or if it's true.

01:04:35.206 --> 01:04:36.928
[SPEAKER_03]: That's one of my favorites.

01:04:38.831 --> 01:04:42.516
[SPEAKER_03]: I also love the Don line of like spikas a chip, same diff.

01:04:43.397 --> 01:04:52.650
[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of was like, I was, I know that like if I really think about it, there is a difference, but my initial reaction was like, that's kind of true, Don, you have a point there.

01:04:53.111 --> 01:04:54.673
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, same diff, what else?

01:04:57.036 --> 01:05:02.243
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the soul was really thrust upon Angel, just like the chip was thrust upon spik.

01:05:02.408 --> 01:05:03.009
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

01:05:03.069 --> 01:05:03.630
[SPEAKER_03]: That.

01:05:03.650 --> 01:05:12.644
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and Angel was still doing evil things with and we saw then the flashback was still doing evil things to this day, um, angel.

01:05:12.905 --> 01:05:16.250
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, we saw in the flashback that he was still with.

01:05:18.474 --> 01:05:24.383
[SPEAKER_03]: Spike and Darla and Drew Lulu doing evil things in.

01:05:24.886 --> 01:05:29.191
[SPEAKER_03]: China, even with the chip.

01:05:29.211 --> 01:05:39.882
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, listen, if a soul does not a hero make, okay, like I know lots of people who technically legally have souls that are pieces of shit, so it's possible.

01:05:39.902 --> 01:05:43.586
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like he still would do the bad things, but then he would like feel a little bit bad.

01:05:43.606 --> 01:05:44.447
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

01:05:44.607 --> 01:05:54.437
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, can't physically do the evil things and gets frustrated on it.

01:05:54.417 --> 01:05:55.900
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it is same-diff.

01:05:55.980 --> 01:05:57.823
[SPEAKER_03]: I think John's right thing.

01:05:57.843 --> 01:06:11.329
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

01:06:11.832 --> 01:06:13.053
[SPEAKER_03]: Where's your third.

01:06:14.034 --> 01:06:15.576
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, what's your third, what's your third one?

01:06:16.077 --> 01:06:16.377
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:06:16.677 --> 01:06:19.040
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean, there's so many.

01:06:19.160 --> 01:06:19.421
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:06:19.461 --> 01:06:20.582
[SPEAKER_03]: This is so funny.

01:06:20.662 --> 01:06:39.223
[SPEAKER_03]: When Bobby and Spike walk into the vampire den, they see the vampires who are like,

01:06:39.203 --> 01:06:45.593
[SPEAKER_03]: I used to get chiffy pop from, oh no, wasn't even chiffy pop, but you don't remember it?

01:06:46.354 --> 01:06:47.556
[SPEAKER_03]: You're f**k it, pop?

01:06:47.576 --> 01:06:49.158
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's like chiffy pop this?

01:06:49.178 --> 01:06:54.987
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a little pan, like a little like disposable pan of popcorn.

01:06:55.007 --> 01:06:58.292
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay, I didn't know it was stove and then you would shake it.

01:06:58.272 --> 01:06:59.814
[SPEAKER_03]: And you can still get it.

01:06:59.874 --> 01:07:02.056
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's still available if you go to the grocery store.

01:07:03.097 --> 01:07:10.885
[SPEAKER_03]: But I was thinking about that when like you would go to Blockbuster, but at Blockbuster, they had that tub of popcorn.

01:07:11.426 --> 01:07:15.310
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember it was like a paper tub that we get kind of like at the movie theaters?

01:07:15.350 --> 01:07:17.232
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you put the whole thing in the microwave.

01:07:17.632 --> 01:07:19.654
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it would pop and was like, oh, and do you have time mark?

01:07:19.674 --> 01:07:20.255
[SPEAKER_03]: It was still good.

01:07:20.455 --> 01:07:20.836
[SPEAKER_03]: So good.

01:07:20.956 --> 01:07:22.237
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't go to Blockbuster.

01:07:22.337 --> 01:07:23.098
[SPEAKER_03]: So

01:07:23.078 --> 01:07:23.399
[SPEAKER_03]: Ever?

01:07:24.181 --> 01:07:29.636
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we had a like a of local like video rental place that we went mom and pop.

01:07:30.178 --> 01:07:32.143
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we didn't have a blockbuster in our town.

01:07:33.136 --> 01:07:57.497
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, another scene that we didn't talk about was when like Harvey met Drew and was like really nagging her because she was like, you called her more tissue, yeah, you are like a skinky goth and just trying to like cause play as Drew and Spike is like, that is Drew Silla, you fucking moron.

01:07:57.557 --> 01:07:58.418
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:07:58.398 --> 01:08:13.286
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and one other scene that we didn't really touch on was when Buffy bumps into Dr. Ben at the Bronx and we don't know that he's not and I want to see that man on my screen anyway.

01:08:13.326 --> 01:08:15.310
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's not a doctor.

01:08:16.150 --> 01:08:17.131
[SPEAKER_03]: She thinks he's faking it.

01:08:17.471 --> 01:08:31.547
[SPEAKER_03]: I have seen no evidence that a god slash demigod slash brother of a god slash flip side of harmony, you know, not harmony of glory went to medical school.

01:08:32.167 --> 01:08:37.693
[SPEAKER_03]: Same to him, same to him, yeah, when would this man have time to go to his doctorate?

01:08:37.713 --> 01:08:40.977
[SPEAKER_03]: Like do you need to see the graduation slip?

01:08:40.957 --> 01:08:43.281
[SPEAKER_03]: I can photoshop one of those myself.

01:08:43.462 --> 01:08:45.806
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I can give myself a doctorate right now.

01:08:45.826 --> 01:08:48.171
[SPEAKER_03]: You have done that in what year is this?

01:08:48.191 --> 01:08:51.337
[SPEAKER_03]: 2004 2001 maybe.

01:08:51.357 --> 01:08:56.487
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I guess like how would Ben get fired if he didn't have the right.

01:08:56.667 --> 01:08:57.649
[SPEAKER_03]: Be credentialed.

01:08:57.629 --> 01:09:17.940
[SPEAKER_03]: I can make my resume say that I have three doctorates and I can be a good interview and I Or he has magical wants to hate magical god powers and just just mad that he's replacing Riley That's what he's not replacing Riley He's not replacing Riley.

01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:18.601
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, here's the thing.

01:09:18.722 --> 01:09:20.544
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that is like this is about isn't it?

01:09:20.745 --> 01:09:21.967
[SPEAKER_03]: It is exactly what it's about.

01:09:21.987 --> 01:09:22.347
[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.

01:09:22.367 --> 01:09:24.210
[SPEAKER_03]: She can deny it, but we all know it's true

01:09:24.190 --> 01:09:25.732
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing with Dr. Ben, though.

01:09:25.872 --> 01:09:31.119
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting that Buffy thinks him for like taking care of Don.

01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:34.083
[SPEAKER_03]: And he is like, doesn't know what she's going to say.

01:09:34.383 --> 01:09:36.987
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he doesn't know what she knows, right?

01:09:37.027 --> 01:09:48.782
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, in my mind, his reaction to her was very much like, I don't know if Don is going to remember the fact that me and my sister had some weird-ass body swap situation happening.

01:09:48.822 --> 01:09:53.809
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's interesting that he doesn't know that Don

01:09:53.789 --> 01:10:00.123
[SPEAKER_03]: like Don's Mind, their memories or something were adjusted or make she as a tumor who the hell knows.

01:10:00.905 --> 01:10:08.642
[SPEAKER_03]: I just thought it was interesting that he doesn't quite know what to expect from Buffy in that regard.

01:10:09.348 --> 01:10:10.429
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah.

01:10:10.850 --> 01:10:12.712
[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, I like Dr. Ben.

01:10:13.153 --> 01:10:14.134
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm happy he's around.

01:10:14.715 --> 01:10:16.096
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's so interesting.

01:10:16.277 --> 01:10:19.020
[SPEAKER_03]: He has, like, so many interesting things about him.

01:10:19.040 --> 01:10:22.745
[SPEAKER_03]: We know so much about him in the episodes that we've seen.

01:10:22.765 --> 01:10:27.911
[SPEAKER_03]: I, you're so pro-rily and he has no personality.

01:10:28.392 --> 01:10:32.757
[SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Ben doesn't have a big personality ever.

01:10:32.837 --> 01:10:35.220
[SPEAKER_03]: He just seems like a kind doctor.

01:10:36.179 --> 01:10:37.983
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was really into a psychopath.

01:10:38.003 --> 01:10:39.586
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, okay, whatever.

01:10:39.626 --> 01:10:47.804
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, just in a chance, I mean, no, because he's not a doctor, he's baking at Lindy.

01:10:47.824 --> 01:10:48.866
[SPEAKER_03]: He's making it.

01:10:49.027 --> 01:10:54.238
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's doing a cover up of an evil,

01:10:54.674 --> 01:10:59.342
[SPEAKER_03]: Helen God, he tries to warn Don to go.

01:10:59.443 --> 01:11:02.648
[SPEAKER_03]: It's big, the glove and the other glove.

01:11:03.189 --> 01:11:04.452
[SPEAKER_03]: I was so happy we didn't see glue.

01:11:04.472 --> 01:11:05.474
[SPEAKER_03]: Glob, I'm not going to lie.

01:11:05.574 --> 01:11:07.217
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't need to see glue glob the episode.

01:11:07.257 --> 01:11:08.379
[SPEAKER_03]: I was happy he wasn't around.

01:11:08.740 --> 01:11:12.827
[SPEAKER_03]: I think glue glob is the perfect name for that guy.

01:11:13.308 --> 01:11:14.069
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:11:14.089 --> 01:11:17.796
[SPEAKER_03]: I was cracking up and he said that and it's so accurate.

01:11:17.776 --> 01:11:20.178
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I think the pier is like a good glob.

01:11:20.198 --> 01:11:20.779
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:21.539
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:11:21.559 --> 01:11:22.160
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah.

01:11:22.440 --> 01:11:23.241
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:11:23.261 --> 01:11:27.144
[SPEAKER_03]: And he is probably not a doctor.

01:11:27.205 --> 01:11:28.806
[SPEAKER_03]: He's probably doing feet.

01:11:28.826 --> 01:11:29.607
[SPEAKER_03]: He's kind of playing.

01:11:29.627 --> 01:11:31.008
[SPEAKER_03]: You're a good glob, isn't it?

01:11:31.048 --> 01:11:35.432
[SPEAKER_03]: Doctor, he's probably more larger than a good glob.

01:11:35.712 --> 01:11:41.197
[SPEAKER_03]: Good glob when to medical school, so that he could give the degree to Ben.

01:11:41.397 --> 01:11:43.299
[SPEAKER_03]: So he could make me a doctor.

01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:44.921
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a really want to hate Dr. Ben.

01:11:45.081 --> 01:11:46.602
[SPEAKER_03]: She really wants to hate him.

01:11:46.582 --> 01:11:48.244
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, actively trying to hate him.

01:11:49.025 --> 01:11:49.586
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, okay.

01:11:49.766 --> 01:11:50.667
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to talk about Angel.

01:11:50.727 --> 01:11:59.397
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll do a quick hit on court east corner, uh, because I did watch the thin dead line, which I should have known now again.

01:11:59.417 --> 01:12:09.990
[SPEAKER_03]: I should have known looking at the title, what this episode was going to be about, because obviously anyone who lives in America knows the thin blue line, this cop stuff.

01:12:09.970 --> 01:12:13.955
[SPEAKER_03]: So, this episode was a lot of cop stuff.

01:12:14.376 --> 01:12:17.460
[SPEAKER_03]: However, I do want to first off talk about Sarah.

01:12:18.021 --> 01:12:26.372
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember how we talked about when we were theorizing on glory and Dr. Ben and like how they're switching body snatching, whatever the hell.

01:12:26.673 --> 01:12:31.379
[SPEAKER_03]: And we made jokes about Professor Quirl, and that one of them was on the way of back of the other ones.

01:12:31.459 --> 01:12:32.721
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I do.

01:12:32.701 --> 01:12:48.038
[SPEAKER_03]: I had the best time laughing at the moment in this episode of Angel when showing up to, I think they call it Angel Investigations still, but it's Cordy, Wesley, and Gun.

01:12:49.240 --> 01:12:58.270
[SPEAKER_03]: Showing up there for help is a young girl who has an eyeball on the back of her head.

01:12:58.250 --> 01:13:00.355
[SPEAKER_03]: the professor, world prophecy.

01:13:00.375 --> 01:13:01.417
[SPEAKER_03]: You.

01:13:01.437 --> 01:13:01.798
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.

01:13:01.818 --> 01:13:02.399
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a guy.

01:13:02.419 --> 01:13:04.043
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a stack of her head.

01:13:04.063 --> 01:13:05.526
[SPEAKER_03]: He looks really gross too.

01:13:05.546 --> 01:13:07.571
[SPEAKER_03]: He really, I was really disturbed by it.

01:13:07.591 --> 01:13:08.273
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's nasty.

01:13:09.315 --> 01:13:15.128
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but essentially what is going on this episode is cops are just,

01:13:15.108 --> 01:13:19.955
[SPEAKER_03]: ran and this is not funny because of the state and our world currently.

01:13:20.296 --> 01:13:24.643
[SPEAKER_03]: Cops are just like arresting people and like beating the shit out of them, unprompted.

01:13:24.703 --> 01:13:26.145
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no reason.

01:13:26.205 --> 01:13:30.391
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, this happens in our daily life, so I don't know why they're making a big deal.

01:13:30.411 --> 01:13:31.433
[SPEAKER_03]: It happens now.

01:13:32.114 --> 01:13:36.020
[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, cops are going rogue essentially and it turns out the cops are zombies.

01:13:36.761 --> 01:13:43.191
[SPEAKER_03]: And the reason the cops are zombies is because they're like reanimating

01:13:43.171 --> 01:13:55.532
[SPEAKER_03]: When we got a cop episode, who's showing up, Kate is here, and we don't care, and she's like, oh my god, but it's my dad, why not them?

01:13:56.453 --> 01:13:56.814
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not.

01:13:56.954 --> 01:13:58.897
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I thought her dad was dead, right?

01:13:58.917 --> 01:14:03.525
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, which is why he could have been a reanimated cop, because zombie cops.

01:14:03.708 --> 01:14:04.309
[SPEAKER_03]: Got it.

01:14:04.610 --> 01:14:05.993
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's too far gone.

01:14:06.033 --> 01:14:07.576
[SPEAKER_03]: He's probably a skeleton now.

01:14:08.257 --> 01:14:09.540
[SPEAKER_03]: No, with time and that long.

01:14:11.123 --> 01:14:13.567
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a long time for a person to become a skeleton.

01:14:13.828 --> 01:14:14.710
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.

01:14:15.231 --> 01:14:16.012
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's the same.

01:14:16.032 --> 01:14:17.295
[SPEAKER_03]: But that isn't real people.

01:14:18.577 --> 01:14:21.082
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, like how long do you think it takes?

01:14:21.643 --> 01:14:22.926
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't want to know.

01:14:22.946 --> 01:14:24.990
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't need to know that.

01:14:26.911 --> 01:14:30.315
[SPEAKER_03]: So, anyway, cops be going rogue.

01:14:30.456 --> 01:14:32.679
[SPEAKER_03]: Cops be just beaten the shit out of people.

01:14:32.719 --> 01:14:43.132
[SPEAKER_03]: So, gone, and we have more of Anne as her name, I think, who runs the like youth center thing and all these teens are showing up.

01:14:43.172 --> 01:14:47.018
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're all talking about the cops who are going rogue and beaten the shit out of people for no reason.

01:14:47.078 --> 01:14:49.901
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, gone is like, we're gonna handle this shit.

01:14:49.921 --> 01:14:51.764
[SPEAKER_03]: So, he's like, I'm gonna go out.

01:14:51.884 --> 01:14:54.167
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna videotape these cops.

01:14:54.147 --> 01:14:56.951
[SPEAKER_03]: just arresting us and being the shit out of us for no reason.

01:14:57.451 --> 01:15:02.879
[SPEAKER_03]: So as he's doing that, Wesley shows up, because Wes is like, I got a product gun because he's an idiot and literally about.

01:15:02.899 --> 01:15:05.182
[SPEAKER_03]: Wesley shows up, Wesley gets fucking shot.

01:15:05.202 --> 01:15:07.324
[SPEAKER_03]: Wesley takes a fucking bullet from this cop.

01:15:07.424 --> 01:15:08.786
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, no, I know them.

01:15:08.846 --> 01:15:09.587
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't do it.

01:15:10.228 --> 01:15:11.350
[SPEAKER_03]: Cop fucking shoots Wesley.

01:15:11.970 --> 01:15:20.181
[SPEAKER_03]: Angel meanwhile is also investigating this zombie cop situation, working with fucking Kate, we don't care about.

01:15:20.662 --> 01:15:23.766
[SPEAKER_03]: The show is just like, here fucking Kate again.

01:15:23.746 --> 01:15:32.467
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and anyway, uh, Angel shows up after to go visit Wesley after he finds out Wesley's in the hospital.

01:15:33.109 --> 01:15:37.559
[SPEAKER_03]: And of fucking Cordelia's like, bitch, you got a lot of nerve showing up here.

01:15:37.880 --> 01:15:38.762
[SPEAKER_03]: Get the fuck out of here.

01:15:39.524 --> 01:15:39.865
[SPEAKER_03]: You know,

01:15:39.845 --> 01:15:41.208
[SPEAKER_03]: Cordelia has big.

01:15:41.228 --> 01:15:45.157
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to speak to the manager energy with her new fucking haircut that looks so bad.

01:15:45.478 --> 01:15:49.367
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and yeah, that's that's basically it.

01:15:49.387 --> 01:15:50.710
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, get the fuck out of here.

01:15:50.811 --> 01:15:51.673
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't need you.

01:15:51.713 --> 01:15:52.414
[SPEAKER_03]: We're fine.

01:15:52.455 --> 01:15:54.539
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be renaming angel investigations.

01:15:55.021 --> 01:15:55.722
[SPEAKER_03]: Really soon.

01:15:55.782 --> 01:15:58.208
[SPEAKER_03]: So get the fuck out.

01:15:58.306 --> 01:15:58.827
[SPEAKER_03]: And he leaves.

01:15:59.308 --> 01:16:00.971
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I don't know.

01:16:01.011 --> 01:16:01.933
[SPEAKER_03]: Lindsay, did I miss anything?

01:16:01.953 --> 01:16:02.874
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you watch this episode?

01:16:03.596 --> 01:16:04.157
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll be honest.

01:16:04.217 --> 01:16:08.325
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not rewatch it for this podcast, but I vaguely remember it.

01:16:08.685 --> 01:16:12.092
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it's not one of the ones that Sarah needs to see.

01:16:12.132 --> 01:16:13.935
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that covered it.

01:16:13.915 --> 01:16:35.468
[SPEAKER_03]: it's like it's not even propaganda because it actually is like very much like the police suck so I at least appreciated that messaging and it also felt like very racially targeted once again in like a very specific way but I don't the show didn't handle it like poorly

01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:40.707
[SPEAKER_03]: I just also doubt there were many people of color in the writers room for this episode of that makes sense.

01:16:40.907 --> 01:16:46.234
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, women do think women or people of color, do you think are in the angel of writing room?

01:16:46.535 --> 01:16:47.056
[SPEAKER_03]: Less than one.

01:16:48.397 --> 01:16:54.506
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the only time this out because I, I can't really, it's just not one, zero to one.

01:16:54.586 --> 01:17:05.100
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, maybe one, maybe a single one, but yeah, the core of the Professor Coral thing really, really did tickle me.

01:17:05.080 --> 01:17:18.339
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, that basically the the trio was getting hired to figure out what happened because I guess she got like touched by someone and that's why she came in and said, hi, I have a new little problem.

01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:20.562
[SPEAKER_03]: I might have something in the back of my head.

01:17:20.582 --> 01:17:24.608
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's like a mole.

01:17:24.588 --> 01:17:27.852
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you have an eye on the back of your head.

01:17:28.272 --> 01:17:32.217
[SPEAKER_03]: I miss the hospital and she goes, no, it's the supernatural nature.

01:17:32.257 --> 01:17:35.541
[SPEAKER_03]: As soon as Cordelia found out, this lady was red, she's like, we'll take it.

01:17:36.022 --> 01:17:37.343
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll do it.

01:17:37.363 --> 01:17:38.024
[SPEAKER_03]: That makes sense.

01:17:38.465 --> 01:17:41.428
[SPEAKER_03]: One other very funny moment that actually did happen in this episode.

01:17:41.468 --> 01:17:48.537
[SPEAKER_03]: Cordelia shows up at the shelter and in case you forgot, once upon a time, Angel brought

01:17:48.517 --> 01:17:52.684
[SPEAKER_03]: old Cordelia's old clothes as an excuse to go to the shelter.

01:17:53.025 --> 01:17:55.930
[SPEAKER_03]: So she sees one of the teenagers wearing one of her shirts.

01:17:56.470 --> 01:18:01.399
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, hey, that saleswoman that sold me, I have a shirt, just like that.

01:18:01.419 --> 01:18:02.901
[SPEAKER_03]: And she said it was one of a kind.

01:18:02.961 --> 01:18:03.703
[SPEAKER_03]: What a liar.

01:18:04.043 --> 01:18:06.047
[SPEAKER_03]: It's because it's very funny.

01:18:06.487 --> 01:18:08.010
[SPEAKER_03]: All of her clothing.

01:18:08.564 --> 01:18:08.844
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:18:09.065 --> 01:18:11.729
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, zombie cops.

01:18:12.370 --> 01:18:12.770
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.

01:18:12.850 --> 01:18:13.551
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the whole thing.

01:18:13.591 --> 01:18:14.312
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the whole episode.

01:18:14.372 --> 01:18:15.374
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't worth watching.

01:18:15.835 --> 01:18:16.596
[SPEAKER_03]: Kate still sucks.

01:18:16.956 --> 01:18:19.179
[SPEAKER_03]: Unsurprisingly, I'm still hate her.

01:18:19.660 --> 01:18:21.423
[SPEAKER_03]: She's still sucks.

01:18:21.483 --> 01:18:22.144
[SPEAKER_03]: Wesley got shot.

01:18:22.184 --> 01:18:22.785
[SPEAKER_03]: He's okay now.

01:18:23.025 --> 01:18:24.447
[SPEAKER_03]: He's in the hospital, but he'll be all right.

01:18:25.248 --> 01:18:27.231
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.

01:18:27.397 --> 01:18:28.058
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:18:28.219 --> 01:18:28.539
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

01:18:28.700 --> 01:18:30.022
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that episode.

01:18:30.062 --> 01:18:30.704
[SPEAKER_03]: So good.

01:18:31.666 --> 01:18:33.990
[SPEAKER_03]: Glad that I was cleaning well.

01:18:34.010 --> 01:18:36.014
[SPEAKER_03]: The good news is you don't have to watch next week's either.

01:18:36.034 --> 01:18:38.860
[SPEAKER_03]: You still have a few more angel free weeks.

01:18:39.040 --> 01:18:46.435
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm really excited to watch next week's buffet because season five episode 15 is titled, I was made to love you.

01:18:46.752 --> 01:19:00.110
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, does that mean I was made by the interest like physically made like a fucking robot like or or was I forced to love you like I was made to love you like I'm forced to love you.

01:19:00.491 --> 01:19:00.911
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:19:01.292 --> 01:19:02.053
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to raise to read this.

01:19:02.633 --> 01:19:03.014
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.

01:19:03.595 --> 01:19:07.760
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the angel episode season two episode 15 is titled reprise reprise.

01:19:08.141 --> 01:19:11.265
[SPEAKER_03]: Reprise reprise is RAPRI, I see.

01:19:11.666 --> 01:19:12.166
[SPEAKER_03]: That is correct.

01:19:13.047 --> 01:19:16.472
[SPEAKER_03]: Reprise reprise reprise.

01:19:16.688 --> 01:19:20.895
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like people either say reprise or reprise and I don't know which one's right.

01:19:20.915 --> 01:19:21.155
[SPEAKER_03]: Please.

01:19:21.476 --> 01:19:22.878
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like either either situation.

01:19:23.419 --> 01:19:23.880
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:19:24.200 --> 01:19:26.264
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm scared to ask.

01:19:26.304 --> 01:19:26.845
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:19:26.905 --> 01:19:28.287
[SPEAKER_03]: But breathe for breathe.

01:19:28.307 --> 01:19:28.768
[SPEAKER_03]: For breathe.

01:19:29.068 --> 01:19:31.593
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what we're going to be watching.

01:19:31.613 --> 01:19:32.714
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen with the mandala effect?

01:19:32.815 --> 01:19:33.936
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen with the mandala effect?

01:19:33.956 --> 01:19:34.858
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen with the mandala effect?

01:19:35.158 --> 01:19:38.344
[SPEAKER_03]: For breathe is not spelled the way that you would think.

01:19:38.424 --> 01:19:38.884
[SPEAKER_03]: Any more?

01:19:38.925 --> 01:19:40.267
[SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy.

01:19:40.327 --> 01:19:43.472
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's spelled F-E-B-E-B-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E

01:19:43.958 --> 01:19:47.505
[SPEAKER_03]: There as it's well is like, no, there's only one eat.

01:19:47.545 --> 01:19:50.971
[SPEAKER_03]: There's one eat in F. E. B. R. E's love.

01:19:51.111 --> 01:19:58.686
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody remembers they're being B. F. E's B. R. E. E. That's exactly.

01:19:59.086 --> 01:19:59.607
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

01:19:59.627 --> 01:20:00.890
[SPEAKER_03]: They changed it.

01:20:01.090 --> 01:20:02.132
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't like this.

01:20:02.553 --> 01:20:02.793
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:20:02.914 --> 01:20:03.154
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.

01:20:03.174 --> 01:20:03.976
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a creepy.

01:20:04.457 --> 01:20:04.757
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:20:04.777 --> 01:20:05.258
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:20:05.238 --> 01:20:06.340
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you sure, Sarah?

01:20:06.660 --> 01:20:07.261
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking.

01:20:07.321 --> 01:20:08.103
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just googled it.

01:20:08.123 --> 01:20:08.643
[SPEAKER_03]: I just googled it.

01:20:08.663 --> 01:20:13.471
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm literally looking at a thousand for Breeze products right now.

01:20:13.491 --> 01:20:14.332
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like this at all.

01:20:14.352 --> 01:20:18.479
[SPEAKER_03]: It has one E. But I distinctly remember it having multiple E's.

01:20:19.060 --> 01:20:19.741
[SPEAKER_03]: Three E's.

01:20:19.981 --> 01:20:20.803
[SPEAKER_03]: Now there's two E's.

01:20:20.863 --> 01:20:22.285
[SPEAKER_03]: We removed an E.

01:20:22.484 --> 01:20:24.706
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm serious, I'm serious, I'm serious.

01:20:25.527 --> 01:20:26.208
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't like that.

01:20:26.228 --> 01:20:26.668
[SPEAKER_03]: That is weird.

01:20:26.989 --> 01:20:27.249
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:20:27.269 --> 01:20:31.173
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, the first question that pops up is, was Fibre's ever spelled Fibre's?

01:20:31.433 --> 01:20:34.196
[SPEAKER_03]: And if they say no, it's a week for no.

01:20:34.897 --> 01:20:36.418
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, that's what happened.

01:20:36.438 --> 01:20:38.521
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the other end, it's talked.

01:20:38.941 --> 01:20:40.543
[SPEAKER_03]: We're in an alternate universe.

01:20:40.623 --> 01:20:43.366
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, now my brain is, so thank you for that.

01:20:43.946 --> 01:20:44.807
[SPEAKER_03]: You're welcome.

01:20:45.628 --> 01:20:46.349
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess.

01:20:46.569 --> 01:20:47.530
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway.

01:20:47.510 --> 01:20:49.312
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, a little nice.

01:20:49.332 --> 01:20:50.093
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to say one more thing.

01:20:50.474 --> 01:20:51.655
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, always.

01:20:51.675 --> 01:20:55.560
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, okay, Bobby's hair looked incredible in this episode.

01:20:55.821 --> 01:20:55.961
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:20:55.981 --> 01:21:01.588
[SPEAKER_03]: But seeing where she's confronting spike about Dawn being over there is maybe the best her hair has ever looked.

01:21:01.608 --> 01:21:02.930
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's cool.

01:21:03.230 --> 01:21:05.473
[SPEAKER_03]: These last couple of episodes.

01:21:05.793 --> 01:21:08.216
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's exactly different.

01:21:08.316 --> 01:21:12.662
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's new highlights or extensions or she grew her hair is curling.

01:21:12.742 --> 01:21:13.483
[SPEAKER_03]: But, um, like,

01:21:13.463 --> 01:21:14.764
[SPEAKER_03]: bouncy curls.

01:21:14.824 --> 01:21:15.786
[SPEAKER_03]: Very bouncy.

01:21:16.086 --> 01:21:21.652
[SPEAKER_03]: They need to hire whoever does buffies hair for angel because poor cordelia is suffering.

01:21:21.692 --> 01:21:24.035
[SPEAKER_03]: We're all suffering watching her hair.

01:21:24.355 --> 01:21:34.266
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody, I think like all of the hair budget and buffy just goes to buffy because honestly, I want a little bit.

01:21:34.286 --> 01:21:35.687
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was here.

01:21:35.707 --> 01:21:37.729
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought I was shooting this episode.

01:21:37.770 --> 01:21:42.795
[SPEAKER_03]: Even if you do something with

01:21:44.092 --> 01:21:51.131
[SPEAKER_03]: Even like, I feel as though Tara has been going through some like hair transformations, it was light.

01:21:51.411 --> 01:21:55.984
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there was a couple episodes where it was dark and I felt like it looked really good and now it's light again.

01:21:56.004 --> 01:21:57.628
[SPEAKER_03]: So...

01:21:58.807 --> 01:22:01.812
[SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't a cute one, Willow and Tara were dancing at the bronze.

01:22:02.132 --> 01:22:06.799
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, onya was like, rapidly, like, yes, dancing on her own.

01:22:07.260 --> 01:22:10.505
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I cannot believe they got rid of the blue and onion at the bronze, man.

01:22:10.565 --> 01:22:12.088
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that was like the luck thing.

01:22:12.108 --> 01:22:13.129
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was the luck thing.

01:22:13.149 --> 01:22:14.371
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the luck, I heard.

01:22:14.391 --> 01:22:15.753
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate when places do that.

01:22:15.813 --> 01:22:17.176
[SPEAKER_03]: We were like, this is my thing.

01:22:17.236 --> 01:22:18.558
[SPEAKER_03]: I order this every time I go.

01:22:18.598 --> 01:22:20.140
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they just get rid of it.

01:22:20.200 --> 01:22:21.002
[SPEAKER_03]: That should be the vehicle.

01:22:21.162 --> 01:22:22.925
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't get on it.

01:22:23.385 --> 01:22:24.527
[SPEAKER_03]: I love a.

01:22:24.659 --> 01:22:25.941
[SPEAKER_03]: of blue and onion.

01:22:26.202 --> 01:22:27.604
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I'm not going.

01:22:27.644 --> 01:22:29.006
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to Texas Roadhouse.

01:22:29.026 --> 01:22:30.028
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going it out back.

01:22:30.068 --> 01:22:31.150
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to the right in the fair.

01:22:31.270 --> 01:22:33.714
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know where I'm going to get blue and onion.

01:22:34.014 --> 01:22:34.114
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:22:34.134 --> 01:22:35.517
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not easy to make one.

01:22:36.979 --> 01:22:39.042
[SPEAKER_03]: Wendy, you underestimate.

01:22:39.503 --> 01:22:41.667
[SPEAKER_03]: I am retired from cooking.

01:22:41.687 --> 01:22:44.111
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a man that cooks for me all the time.

01:22:44.131 --> 01:22:45.473
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't cook no more.

01:22:45.914 --> 01:22:47.236
[SPEAKER_03]: So I overestimate you.

01:22:47.676 --> 01:22:48.017
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:22:49.313 --> 01:22:50.296
[SPEAKER_03]: You probably do both.

01:22:50.356 --> 01:22:51.279
[SPEAKER_03]: Why would I do that?

01:22:54.129 --> 01:23:00.068
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, um, anything else, Linda, anything we missed, any other, uh, anything.

01:23:00.329 --> 01:23:00.670
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:23:01.433 --> 01:23:02.496
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, let's see.

01:23:03.978 --> 01:23:05.780
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I just love this episode.

01:23:06.020 --> 01:23:11.645
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, when Dawn is saying that like, she feels safe with spike and he like, coaxing is like, take that back.

01:23:12.125 --> 01:23:13.727
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's, yeah.

01:23:13.747 --> 01:23:14.568
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the one.

01:23:14.628 --> 01:23:17.931
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you're so much stronger than Buffy and you're so tough.

01:23:18.351 --> 01:23:19.132
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, oh, yes.

01:23:19.192 --> 01:23:21.914
[SPEAKER_03]: And then she was like, even Buffy thinks so.

01:23:21.934 --> 01:23:24.336
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, hmm, I think so.

01:23:24.396 --> 01:23:25.938
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me more when I was in the comments.

01:23:25.958 --> 01:23:26.698
[SPEAKER_03]: He's saying about me.

01:23:27.179 --> 01:23:28.580
[SPEAKER_03]: What is he saying about me?

01:23:28.600 --> 01:23:29.461
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me.

01:23:29.881 --> 01:23:30.562
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the life.

01:23:30.642 --> 01:23:33.985
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, my little gossip session.

01:23:33.965 --> 01:23:37.372
[SPEAKER_03]: hanging out with spike kind of.

01:23:37.672 --> 01:23:37.812
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:23:38.594 --> 01:23:39.396
[SPEAKER_03]: Donna's great.

01:23:39.736 --> 01:23:40.758
[SPEAKER_03]: Donna's been tasked.

01:23:40.778 --> 01:23:41.279
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:45.748
[SPEAKER_03]: She's, I mean, Michelle track and Berg is full Suzy.

01:23:46.109 --> 01:23:47.992
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a talent.

01:23:48.593 --> 01:23:49.676
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, Suzy.

01:23:49.696 --> 01:23:51.178
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot about that.

01:23:51.219 --> 01:23:53.162
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad you're enjoying.

01:23:53.202 --> 01:23:53.543
[SPEAKER_03]: Don.

01:23:53.523 --> 01:23:54.725
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like her.

01:23:54.945 --> 01:23:55.346
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:23:55.366 --> 01:23:57.550
[SPEAKER_03]: People were like, hey, he's in.

01:23:57.570 --> 01:24:03.580
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like he was pretty annoying at first, but once again, a younger sibling, she's trying her fucking best.

01:24:04.141 --> 01:24:16.341
[SPEAKER_03]: But once again, once for me, once we found the, um, found out the twist, like it changed, like pretty instantaneously for me, like also she didn't steal Buffy sweater.

01:24:17.030 --> 01:24:18.332
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we don't, right?

01:24:18.352 --> 01:24:46.868
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, all the other sweaters, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:51.527
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, I didn't get any allowance from him though.

01:24:52.048 --> 01:24:54.092
[SPEAKER_03]: Plus likely, but I have an older sister.

01:24:54.212 --> 01:24:57.597
[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, I definitely stole some of her clothes guilty.

01:24:58.659 --> 01:25:02.065
[SPEAKER_03]: But I love that moment of like, the trials is so serious.

01:25:02.105 --> 01:25:05.591
[SPEAKER_03]: Of like, yes, you should treat her the same as you always would.

01:25:05.611 --> 01:25:08.435
[SPEAKER_03]: And then she's like, John, yeah.

01:25:08.576 --> 01:25:09.497
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:25:09.477 --> 01:25:13.362
[SPEAKER_03]: It was cashmere too, which is like yikes don't still fucking cashmere dawn.

01:25:13.382 --> 01:25:14.083
[SPEAKER_03]: Good God.

01:25:14.303 --> 01:25:14.764
[SPEAKER_03]: She didn't.

01:25:15.165 --> 01:25:15.966
[SPEAKER_03]: But don't do it.

01:25:16.386 --> 01:25:16.847
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:25:16.867 --> 01:25:17.287
[SPEAKER_03]: Cashmere.

01:25:17.428 --> 01:25:18.169
[SPEAKER_03]: No wonder Spike took it.

01:25:18.189 --> 01:25:18.729
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very soft.

01:25:19.310 --> 01:25:20.231
[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody.

01:25:20.772 --> 01:25:21.613
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that was crush.

01:25:22.034 --> 01:25:22.995
[SPEAKER_03]: What an enjoyable time.

01:25:23.175 --> 01:25:24.517
[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed this episode immensely.

01:25:24.597 --> 01:25:28.903
[SPEAKER_03]: And Lindy, I was very excited when I remembered you were coming on with us to talk about it because

01:25:28.883 --> 01:25:29.824
[SPEAKER_03]: It was so good.

01:25:29.844 --> 01:25:30.905
[SPEAKER_03]: This was such a fun podcast.

01:25:31.206 --> 01:25:36.532
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really excited because this means I can watch the next episode, which is always like, okay, sometimes I wait.

01:25:36.632 --> 01:25:39.516
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes I'm like a patient all queen and I wait a few days.

01:25:39.916 --> 01:25:43.080
[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes I'm ravenous and I have like, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, more and more.

01:25:43.581 --> 01:25:44.522
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:25:44.662 --> 01:25:49.788
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to watch this because I don't want to have to wait like a whole week to, you know, watch that week.

01:25:49.848 --> 01:25:52.051
[SPEAKER_03]: How it works because we're recording on Monday.

01:25:52.111 --> 01:25:53.493
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what we're recording early.

01:25:53.953 --> 01:25:58.519
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, when

01:25:59.782 --> 01:26:06.148
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, why you outing this on the podcast, if I say no, like, oh, sorry.

01:26:06.168 --> 01:26:07.569
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no one invited me.

01:26:07.609 --> 01:26:09.471
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm all alone.

01:26:10.212 --> 01:26:10.312
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:26:10.332 --> 01:26:11.333
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a coffee order.

01:26:11.353 --> 01:26:12.474
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just, you can't know it.

01:26:12.714 --> 01:26:14.536
[SPEAKER_03]: Just trying to let me conversation.

01:26:14.556 --> 01:26:15.657
[SPEAKER_03]: That didn't come in there.

01:26:15.677 --> 01:26:21.142
[SPEAKER_03]: I have some sense ofity calling me a loser on the podcast.

01:26:21.823 --> 01:26:23.764
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:26:23.785 --> 01:26:25.346
[SPEAKER_03]: Lindsey, have any fun podcasts happening?

01:26:25.586 --> 01:26:26.207
[SPEAKER_03]: Anything you want to say?

01:26:26.267 --> 01:26:26.687
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I do.

01:26:26.767 --> 01:26:29.670
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for asking Jess.

01:26:33.515 --> 01:26:36.673
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, yes, well, first of all this was so exciting.

01:26:36.713 --> 01:26:39.087
[SPEAKER_03]: Always love to chat with you too.

01:26:39.235 --> 01:26:53.437
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, I, I don't know in terms of the release schedule, but around this time, I will be on whirlwind investigations, talking about an episode of Veronica Mars with Adam and Melissa, season four episode seven.

01:26:53.497 --> 01:26:55.981
[SPEAKER_03]: We've already recorded that and that was a lot of fun.

01:26:56.021 --> 01:26:56.742
[SPEAKER_03]: So check that out.

01:26:56.902 --> 01:27:02.832
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I am always on one indescribable podcast where we're currently talking about everwood.

01:27:02.932 --> 01:27:03.953
[SPEAKER_03]: We're in season two.

01:27:03.993 --> 01:27:06.998
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been a little rocky, but we're happy.

01:27:06.978 --> 01:27:17.874
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little bleak to show, but like we're having fun on the podcast as always me Adam and Todd and then I'm also on previous little liars, which is on the world and network as well.

01:27:18.636 --> 01:27:26.728
[SPEAKER_03]: Right now we're going through season releasing season four of our pretty little liars previously ons that's always a ton of fun.

01:27:26.888 --> 01:27:34.960
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like Sarah's favorite podcast, I think so check that out and listen to the two episodes that you recorded yesterday.

01:27:34.940 --> 01:27:35.343
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.

01:27:35.363 --> 01:27:37.479
[SPEAKER_03]: I have super early access.

01:27:39.615 --> 01:27:40.562
[SPEAKER_03]: One inch.

01:27:41.335 --> 01:27:41.956
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

01:27:42.016 --> 01:27:43.338
[SPEAKER_03]: I love having a fan.

01:27:43.358 --> 01:27:45.981
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I have nothing else to do on Mondays.

01:27:46.062 --> 01:27:49.066
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Adam is recording podcasts for like seven hours.

01:27:49.246 --> 01:27:51.689
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I do.

01:27:52.210 --> 01:27:54.293
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, check out everything on whirlwind.

01:27:55.735 --> 01:27:59.861
[SPEAKER_03]: If you want more of me, you can hear me on you had me at podcasts.

01:28:00.862 --> 01:28:08.052
[SPEAKER_03]: Stewart and I are recording about 10 things I hate about you this week, which is very exciting because I love that movie.

01:28:08.032 --> 01:28:10.616
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so it should be a ton of fun.

01:28:11.257 --> 01:28:12.379
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, anything else, Sarah?

01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:13.201
[SPEAKER_03]: Anything?

01:28:13.341 --> 01:28:13.501
[SPEAKER_03]: No.

01:28:13.701 --> 01:28:14.142
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:28:14.162 --> 01:28:15.645
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you can listen to us next week.

01:28:15.905 --> 01:28:16.867
[SPEAKER_03]: I was made to love you.

01:28:17.067 --> 01:28:17.648
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait.

01:28:17.728 --> 01:28:19.511
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know what the hell's going on.

01:28:20.372 --> 01:28:21.374
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, okay.

01:28:21.394 --> 01:28:22.636
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that'll be that's it.

01:28:22.656 --> 01:28:32.132
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's all of us, uh, until next time everyone here and if the lesson.