Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 4 Wrap-Up

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Just be how never ended with those, how you need as a door.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Searching for something to put a smile back on your face.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Just remembering unusual times that can come from an unusual place.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I need a partner for a ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word now be there Just ask

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[SPEAKER_05]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's twenty twenty That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's nineteen nineteen Isn't need to pretend I got a hand I can land Who's like you really need a friend Just ask

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[SPEAKER_04]: Shit, ninety shows, dot me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Shit, ninety shows, dot me was not filmed before live studio audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready to play another day?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So are we welcome back to shit, ninety shows, dot me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just early in here with my co-hosts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're hungry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're how are you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jessica, another one in the books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Another one in the books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, but, but another one in the books.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you believe it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have startled Belle, your dog who is in the background.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you clapped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You woke her out of the deepest slumber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't think she appreciated it because she glared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Belle is like, ninety percent deaf.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is pretty deaf.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She heard the clapping, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So whenever she gets it, like, I can't be like Belle, Belle, and like, she won't listen to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, some of it might be selective hearing, but I think that she's like, ninety percent deaf.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when she does something bad, we have to clap because she can hear the clap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, my little song has made her think that she's done something wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Say it's a speaking of demons, season four of Buffy in the book, Spavy, and we are here to wrap this season up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll probably briefly touch an angel season one too, but mostly we're gonna be talking about Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This season, I thought this is really interesting because I was updating our little document that we have that I basically copy paste from the prior season of like, we go through our character breakdowns and all that stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The characters, I had to change out so many characters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very strange.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had like, removing Cordelia and Angel and like adding on and Riley and Tera and it was just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like obviously when a when characters go to college things will change in most teen dramas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this really did feel like a shift for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I would argue it was for the positive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you would argue that as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know not for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people have a fondness in nostalgia for the first few seasons, the high school seasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we love those two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's Cordelia and other reasons to love them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this was just a vibes season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was here for it, Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really had a great time this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it's interesting because I don't know how many people out there

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[SPEAKER_01]: have to watch TV against their free will, you know, like like podcasters do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, like, you know, we love what we do, but also sometimes like you lose a certain amount of enjoyability.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's a word with TV because you're forced to watch it every week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the majority of like my shows that I watch are for podcasting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes it's really hard to watch we to week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a time in season three where I was like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, golly, like I know Jessica, like I was the one that was like really pushing forward, but for us to cover, but I'm like having a hard time and like not because I think that the show's not good, but because when you're if I was just watching it to watch it, I think like at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been a different story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think I would have probably enjoyed it better, but having to watch something twice sometimes three times and then talk about it for an hour and a half, sometimes it gets really hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of this to say is that this season completely changed that around for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like a billion reasons that we're going to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the reasons in Jessica and I say this a lot of the times, like my favorite types of shows are in a college setting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was really thinking to me, like, why is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's because when you go off to college, it's typically the first time in your young adult life where you are free, you're able to

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[SPEAKER_01]: really determined who you want to be without, you know, my school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to the same school with the same people since literally kindergarten up until senior year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think a lot of people experience that and you're so determined or so

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is written in stone who you are when you are in the school of a small town like Sunnydale.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really relate to like Willow in that aspect, but when I got off to college, I was free from home life where things were a little tumultuous between family life, my dad was sick, like stuff, you know, typical stuff with my family was hard, but also I got to be free from like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: all the the cage, the sex cage, the library sex cage, that I do miss the library.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was put into being from a town that's over small.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I graduated with a class of a hundred and three people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, like I was literally, I couldn't escape that, but college, I just felt so free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I feel like

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[SPEAKER_01]: the first episode, the freshman of Buffy, the vampire slayers season four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt that freedom, like going into like Sunnydale University, new fresh faces, new fresh sets, new fresh everything, new fresh characters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it felt freeing in a breath of fresh air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And once again, like we really got to see our characters come into their own discovery of who they want to be, especially Willow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also the extremely relatable truth that sometimes when you graduate high school for people that had a better high school experience, who am I without that good high school experience and that reminds me of Zander's story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all in all, all of this to say is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: season four really really really works for both of us and we are well known throughout the season to be like I think that this is the favorite season like I think that this is it for us like maybe it's not for everybody because

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[SPEAKER_01]: different strokes for different folks, but for me I just like if I'm thinking like what season will I want to rewatch like what makes me feel like uplifted and excited and um easy breezy like it's it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: season four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think that's really incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even more so I think it's incredible that our coverage has helped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've heard multiple people say to us, we helped them look at season four in a different light.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that is the best gift that we could

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[SPEAKER_01]: get as a podcaster for our words to make an impact and not just like go into the ether of nothingness, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know I totally agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did, I started rewatching season four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't finish it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of episodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're, you know, in like a week's time to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did start a rewatch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got maybe about halfway through, I'd say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the reasons that I really liked season four and I think you did as well is because college is kind of that opportunity to reinvent yourself and figure out who you really are away from kind of the burden and the reputation you may have in high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It gives you an opportunity to kind of reinvent who you are and figure that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: season four had such strong themes, and I'm not saying the other seasons didn't, but I felt those themes more in this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was more of a cohesive story in terms of, I mean, we talked about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You may not like Adam, and I'm not his biggest fan either, but in terms of the horrible things about my husband, that is so rude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you can't argue that like the big bad was present all season, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the initiative was present the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like in past seasons, one of our gripes was that like it was very much like, okay, we're either getting a monster of the week or we're focusing on the main story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like the season was able to kind of weave those things together in a really satisfying way on top of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This season didn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: take itself super seriously, which I really enjoyed because I want to fuck around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to do dumb shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love when shows experiment, like episodes like hush, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Episodes like restless when they're really just going for something and they don't particular even even and don't don't hate me people, but even where the wild things are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just like when shows experiment and trying new things and they're not afraid to like get a little messy, I think shows are way more satisfying in that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so while I understand people's critiques specifically, if you don't like Riley, I can understand the season not working for you at all because he's really, he's an integral part of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's not your cup of tea, I could see how you wouldn't be a huge fan of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are certain characters that I feel like lack some some growth, which we'll talk about in our little character breakdown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But overall in my rewatch, I was just like, yeah, I'm still enjoying this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm still enjoying what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's really interesting to get to see Buffy adapt to college life and struggle with it a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Willow goes through immense changes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we've started the freaking season she's still with us like that is totally different from where we end up and on yet in zander aren't dating in the very first episode like we go we go a lot of places this season and I really really enjoyed it and I think it's setting us up for another really great season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we laid some groundwork in this season that will also pay off in future seasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've really enjoyed myself and this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's start talking through some of our characters, because we already kind of alluded to some of their stories here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buffy, obviously she struggles at first with adapting to college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is used to being, she knows her role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a slayer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She has dials in the library.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She has all the scoobies, but life is a little different now in college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't quite

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she's learning the lay of the land.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Willow seems to be adapting very quickly on like Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's kind of taken her time in terms of signing up for classes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zander isn't there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cory isn't there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Giles isn't there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still in his apartment, but he's not working at the university.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think a lot of her struggles along with her crazy roommate Kathy, who I

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[SPEAKER_01]: a door to even more on a rewatch truly I thought it was such a fun episode was the fun episode it really was because it was so unhinged and I loved you and I went through it and we were like man you know like Kathy might have had a point right here like maybe maybe like yeah she's like a demon that's like really disgusting but like maybe like she had a point and then of course it's the fact that like she was sucking the life out of buffies a buffie was starting to act even more irrational

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[SPEAKER_00]: How it looks like the glaring from her, the like dropping of the ketchup on the sweater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's all very, the, the like, oh, yet it's shared time in her like, guzzling Kathy's milk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's all so funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, if you've had a terrible roommate, probably pretty relatable, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's, there's some really great content in the beginning of this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm gonna tell you about the time that my ex roommates stole my hair dryer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was, I'm still mad about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It could, what brand was it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember, but she took it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She moved out and took it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my hairdryer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I never ever forgiven her to this day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I did forget about it until the second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Buffy really struggles to adapt in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and not only that, but you know what I didn't miss about the beginning of season four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was how much time we spent on Parker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know, but also I, I just get that sometimes you just have like an infatuation with somebody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when they, I mean, like, she's never, but she's never been in a situation where

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had a quick fling with somebody and that's all he wanted from her was sex.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a much bug.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I've never been in that situation only because like I'm such like a relationship girl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that must be like such a bad slap in the face to experience a ghosting like that for the first time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really understand like how down bad she was about Parker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if it was annoying, I just once again, I find it

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[SPEAKER_01]: very relatable about to myself, but just like to the to the dating experience of human beings, especially in in, in, in, twenty five, where it's so easy to just go somebody and then, you know, you have sex with somebody, you leave and then you block them from Twitter and you block them from your phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the equivalent, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Except the only thing is

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just never calls and then he's in her face hitting on other calls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I understand like you really hate those Parker episodes, but I also think that they were interesting and also like it was kind of like a fake out like we meet Riley the very first episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We like don't really see him that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's hanging out with Willow more and we're like, oh, like Parker's the new love interest, but no, it's kind of like a fake out, which I think is like really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's temporary, which is what got me by on the rewatch is knowing that this storyline doesn't last for a very long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just at the beginning and then we start the Riley romance, which is like a huge part of Buffy's story this season is not only the fact that she really likes Riley, but then once they find out each other's secrets of she's the slayer and he's in the initiative kind of coming to terms with with that in their relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then obviously Adam and Faith and all these other big things, but like it feels like and we talk a lot about this in restless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like Buffy is yet again coming to terms with the fact that she's a different slayer than slayers of the past because she has this guise because she has a squat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was reminded of this yet again in the episode, fear itself when they go to that like haunted house thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she tries to tell Willow, like, okay, you guys stay behind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go do this and Willow gets upset.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this has happened time and time again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're buffy wants to go do something on her own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't want to put her friends in danger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Willow says, you're not the boss, like just because you're the slayer doesn't mean that you get to be the one making the giving out orders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that is something that is, again, like really it's, I'm not a huge fan of that episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like fear itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we do get to see that feeling throughout the whole season yet again of Buffy on her own versus Buffy with a squad and how much stronger she is with the Scoobies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it also is it reinforces how

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[SPEAKER_01]: change like going to university, can separate your for you and your friends, your high school friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really like a pivotal point in a lot of friendships because I think like, I don't know the statistics on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really interested in knowing this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I think it's interesting how like

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, how many people in this world are closer friends, but their college friends, then their high school friends, and how many people suddenly?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many people's up hanging out with their high school friends?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because my school is about proximity, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all based on where you live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The pool of friends is much wider in larger in college and you're usually, again, I can't speak from experience, but I would assume you are meeting friends based on interest more so than by proximity, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're joining a club, you're a sport, whatever, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're meeting people and maybe maybe roommates too, like certainly that's of course possible, but I think you're more likely to meet people that you have things in common with in college and you are high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think statistically, I think that that probably is the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see those numbers on it eventually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Funnily enough, I did make good friends in college, but I'm closer friends with my high school friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, obviously people, it's different for different people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But seeing that crater of divide happened amongst the Scoobies, specifically Xander,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy and Willow because, you know, zanders not going to school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy's like really focused on being a slayer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's really focused on Riley and Willow's really focused on

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[SPEAKER_01]: her new relationship with Tara, her new relationship with like becoming a witch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like their interests are dividing their like they're the things that they have in common are becoming more and more different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And once again, talking about like how relatable this is, it's well done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that was an interesting theme throughout that started in the very beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like how disconnected, Buffy and Willow were with each other throughout the season because

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it started in the very first few episodes where Buffy really wasn't adjusting while to school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Willow really was and wanted to go out and party and had all these, like, easier time making friends, of course she had Oz, who already had people there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she was like better integrated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm thinking to the episode where where

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the first episode where the wearable, no excuse me, the vampires, like the teen vampires, the vampires, like stole her and her stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was basically like, I'm moving away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I can't handle this anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like how it took Willow like a minute to realize that like, you know, she was going through something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But she did realize that like, oh, I don't think this is Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was just there was more there was definitely more of a divide between the two of them than their their has been or we're just like expanding on that divide, especially when Buffy and Riley really start dating, you know, Willow misses hanging out with Buffy and they become roommates and it feels like they hang out even less, you know, after they become roommates like they're both

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[SPEAKER_00]: preoccupied like you said Willow is preoccupied with her new relationship and also the fact that she's not, she isn't really told Buffy about Tara.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like that, of course, is going to further tear them a little bit apart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But building resentment with everybody as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like explodes in the Yoko factor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we get to see them come back together in Primiville.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I think is like so wonderful is yes, they all get separated for different reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's just like this growing divide that kind of gets worse and worse and worse throughout the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we do get to see them come back together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are shown that they are stronger together than they are apart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is like such an important

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[SPEAKER_00]: theme for not just this season, but for every season before it, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this has just been, this show has been really good about building on what they've already, like the foundations they've already laid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was just one of the big ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that like we're probably gonna get hit over the head with, you know, for the end of time, truly all the way through season seven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's like Buffy Realizing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not on their own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She should lean on the people around her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure we're gonna get hit over the head with it a million more times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was a thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many more times has Buffy had to learn that lesson?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's gonna happen again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think it's never gonna stop happening because I think when you love your friends and your chosen family, you're afraid that they're gonna get hurt and you don't wanna be the cause of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she sees her being the slayer as like a reason that someone could get hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're gonna just keep seeing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe she, you know, as her friends also get more formidable, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Willow improved on her witch skills.

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[SPEAKER_00]: gendered as something, you know, I, I just think like they're going to be, I think are going to be more formidable and she'll be less like apt to say, no, you should stay behind, but I do think that's always going to be her gut reaction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When did Harry Potter learn this lesson because it was the

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[SPEAKER_01]: The same thing ever came so annoying about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was not annoying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm such like a Harry Potter like character girl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I laid to fend him till the end of the earth all annoying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not annoying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I mean, he learned that lesson in seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he invited them to go like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seven books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It took him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nevertheless, like eventually, he learns the past seven seasons for Buffy too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I do like the feeling of all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And speaking of Willow, did you want to move on to talking about her a little bit?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because she has just a massive season, like I said, when I started rewatching and I was like, oh my god, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like starts the season with eyes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is so different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes through such a change the season not only having her relationship with odds kind of fall apart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just full up leaves and she is so depressed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is just totally out of sorts trying to figure her own stuff out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's trying to pursue the witchy stuff which

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had almost not that forgotten, but it really didn't trigger in my mind that like, in the beginning of the season when she's talking about trying new witch things, both Buffy and Oz are like, are you sure?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that sounds dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, are you sure?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now she's with a partner in Tara who is also a fellow bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was also like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: helping her be a better witch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it is just such an interesting story arc for Willow this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was really impressed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like she's finding her voice more and more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like the fact that she's willing to stand up to Buffy and willing to say like you're not in charge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you have to let us help you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She stands up to Buffy in the Yoko factor, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they have this huge fight, this huge argument.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I was really impressed with Willow this season, not just for coming out and like the new relationship with Tara, feel like her witchiness has found like a new level, even though we still haven't figured out the rat any problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I really enjoyed Willow this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I think kind of reflecting what I was talking about before, like she really realized that she could reinvent herself and be who she really wants to be without the reputation or the stink of who she perceived herself in high school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, there's a whole discussion about like, you know, how much of it is like how others perceived.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you versus how she perceived herself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that could be like a whole different thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that there's like a factor of both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really love that she was able to come into her own.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she was no longer like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dorky, loser, willow, that like, coulda make friends, like, didn't, couldn't get the guy, like, she was like herself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, once again, which is like so common for freshman year of,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Breaking up with your high school boyfriend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, another thing that is so common of like you have a high school boyfriend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're with them for in her case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was mainly senior year junior year senior year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's people that have been together for all four years of high school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then by the time like freshman year is over, there's a breakup because of like just once again, like you're changing distance, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: um, cheating because there's other opportunities around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that this was another thing that was brought up this season that I feel like is so common of a person's experience at their first year of university.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to see her, it's so like I remember my best friend broke up with her high school boyfriend, um, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: within the first semester of university and like it broke my heart to see her so sad like that she and you know at that time you're like oh my gosh like they won class couple I thought that they're going to be together forever like this is terrible but then like also you're thinking like wow now you have like the entire

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[SPEAKER_01]: school you have like everything at your fingertips because it's like I mean like I was in a relationship my throughout college I wish I was like yo eight-year-old Sarah go go on go for the fuck like go go everywhere like do anything you know not everybody's like that but I really like the fact

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[SPEAKER_01]: that Willow was able to just so comment her own.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She found her own style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she found her own group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She found a friend in Tara that was uniquely her own person, her own friend with common interest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She developed her witchiness skills.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She

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[SPEAKER_01]: seemingly is doing pretty good school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't really get to see them like talk about class, especially in the back end of the season that much, but you know, like it seems like she was doing really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the biggest thing is that she has discovered another part of her sexuality and dealing with that, which I feel once again is such a common

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[SPEAKER_01]: University experience, which I think that once again, you are thrown into this new pool of people, and you discover who really are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a really great time to discover the ends and outs of who you are as a person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or it's like a younger person, because I think that throughout your entire twenties, you're evolving constantly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I really do like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot from Willow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that in the finale episode where we see her and what she's afraid of going back to like the same like dorky version of herself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, overall is long hair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it just hammers down like how happy she is with the person she is today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: how how like that almost feels like it could all just like slip out of her fingers and then instant that's her biggest nightmare is just having to go back to who she was before and not that that was a bat not that it was a bad person to be but it feels like you'd be taking a step backwards of like he thinks she thinks like especially because like there's times where she's like well you know like

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[SPEAKER_01]: She felt like she was weaker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She felt like she was less than I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's also an aspect of I don't want to be the person that the high school kids thought I was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like now I'm fully realized or, you know, on her way, she's still first-year college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like don't get me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think she's grown a lot, but there is still so much more to do before you're like a full blown adult.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm we're all still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I love this for Willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: Restless was such a good examination and like

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[SPEAKER_00]: showing of how scary it can be to find kind of who you are and start to feel comfortable with who you are and then be terrified that it can all slip away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just so scared because she has not more to lose, but maybe even more to lose, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she has Tara who she's like so comfortable with, not that she wasn't comfortable with Oz, but I feel like her and Tara just have like

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[SPEAKER_00]: so much in common and I think that they're both in just like a comfortable space with one another that I think and obviously she still has the hurdle of like she's not out to her family like she's only out to really her close friends right like there are still obstacles for her to face but yeah she had such an impressive season I think every season I love Willow Moore she always kind of like impresses me with

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously she does have some faults like she makes mistakes every character does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a shitty ass witch is the fact that she the problem is she always seeks out magic as a shortcut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she does it again in this season with everything happens with Veruca and Oz.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she doesn't have to go through with it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she drops the beaker, whatever the hell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she gets interrupted by Veruca.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she does tend to lean on magic when she wants to make a shortcut in maybe an emotional shortcut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I just don't want to even deal with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to do magic and get rid of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really interested to see how that will change going forward, especially Sarah because the better which she becomes and the stronger magic she can do, the more dangerous it is for her to then revert to something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, I'm really interested to see where that goes and obviously her entire and that relationship and what Tara's hiding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do feel like Tara is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: a really important character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like restless confirmed that for me that like there is something going on that she is like tapped into in a way that like other side characters other love interests aren't you know yeah so yeah really love her

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[SPEAKER_00]: Should we talk about Sanders?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Baby boy, baby boy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, such an interesting season for Zander as well because like I don't necessarily know if he got that same growth as Willow did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in fact, like I know that he does them, but I know that he was trying, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that he, I fight it fascinating and it's like such like a gimmick as well how

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[SPEAKER_01]: many jobs he had throughout the season how he was just and it's really hard because like when you're at the loan friend that's not going to school or in any aspect of life if you're like the friend that like is not is the single one when all your friends are married or like

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just like when you're in a different place of life as your friends, it is a very uncomfortable situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You feel like a loser, you feel like you're behind, you feel like you're constantly comparing yourself to your peers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: so depressing and so hard and seeing Zander keep like trucking along throughout the season keep trying trying to find his groove trying to find his purpose trying to find like what he's good at I find it like really really really interesting I think of course Ania gives him that like really big bump

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[SPEAKER_01]: the girls that he dates always gives him the really big bump like he got the bump when he was dating courty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets the bump when he's dating on you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that and I think like you will have more to say about this because I've come around to zander sooner than you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is, he does, he's not the funniest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like if you want to talk about who's the funniest and a lot, but I definitely think that like he provides like a lightness and I suppose the heart, everybody keeps like honing in that he's the heart of the group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the heart of the group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it like ever comparing it once again to Harry Potter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he's like the Ron.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Ron had like no fucking talents at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a bitch as loser, but he was, but he

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[SPEAKER_01]: kept it light.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He kept it fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was kind of the heart, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is he not the wrong, easily?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we're making, like, Willow's the Hermione, Buffy is Harry, and Ron is Dander.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's it's very easy to make those connections.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, to your point, this is the most I've ever like, Sander.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and it really feels like a full-ass transformation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For a few reasons, one, he's no longer obsessed with Buffy in like a very uncomfortable way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like the very couple of jokes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's only a few.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are very few jokes that Zainer makes about like, oh, wanting to see Buffy naked or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's only a few this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And beyond that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really felt like he matured a lot between seasons three and four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was the fact that he tried to go on this like failed travel thing and then he had to kind of figure out his own shit on the fly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of always like so, so impressed that he kept persevering and trying new jobs and didn't just like shrug his shoulders and say, well, I live in my parents' basement, so who really cares?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, he actively was trying, even if he did have the odd job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still working, he's still trying to do something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's always there to help with Buffy and Willow, and Ania only gave him more of a boost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought their relationship was absolutely fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to have him be the one saying should we have sex like questioning it rather than just like having sex because she's thrown it at him you know what I mean like she walks into the freaking doorway purse first like she's ready to go she just drops her dress at the first the moment she gets alone with him in the basement like

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is and then he proves like just how much he cares about her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is so sweet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so heartwarming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love their relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're great together and I really enjoyed the end of this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he's no longer making these like disgusting jokes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He isn't obsessed with Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a steady girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care if he didn't have a girlfriend, but the fact that it's on you makes it that much better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he really, really came into his own this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was so impressed with Sandra.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I will say is like, because we spent so much time on Riley and his narrative and his growth arc.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do feel like we lacked a little bit in terms of

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[SPEAKER_00]: we kind of started where we began, like Zander doesn't seem to have a career path, which is fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it takes people time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess his, he had the growth of the relationship with Agna, so that's something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He still is left at the end of restless worried that he's being left behind by his friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't, I wish we had gotten a Zander family episode, like explaining some of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I hope so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really do, and I think that like it's, I mean, we, in terms of like parents and like how we've met parents, like we've only met Willow's mom, and we've only had nuggets of Zanders family life, specifically we met his dad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really find it, I really think that we're going to get it next season, and I can see next season being like Zanders growth season of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of establishing himself seeing where he's going to go, but like learning more about what makes the ender's ender.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really hope, and I'm like really looking forward to it too, because I said in restless, like the the dad at the top of the stairs screaming at the ender.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was bone chilling and if this is just like a piece of what Zander has grown up with, like I think that it very much, I think like it makes sense about who Zander is and like why he acts the way he has or does, I think it explains a lot about why he's like the core gesture in a way, like I think that oftentimes like

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's trying to not take up a lot of space in his family because he just gets like annihilated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like a good way to like keep it light is to make your family laugh and like you use those like a defense mechanism in a way like you act like I said like the core gesture gesture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, did gesture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really hoping that we get to learn more about that because I just find it like really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I find like family dynamics really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me think a lot about Casey from Dawson's Creek and his family life and how volatile his home life was, how uncomfortable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it very much like feels like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And some of like

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[SPEAKER_01]: the most like biggest moments with like PC's family, it like always took out to me of his father who is a drunk on the beach, like, and like them having the moment his mother played by Jane Lynch, like being like awful to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like we, and it changed my opinion of PC who is also kind of like the jester in a way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really looking forward to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really hopeful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His relationship with the Scoobies, you know, like I think that like another thing that made us like him more was that he was now the underdog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was at he felt like he was on a different

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[SPEAKER_01]: pedestal as his friends and it made him feel like less than but it also like humbled him a little which I think like we like I mean for me I really don't like men that are like really like like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dickish in a way, like, you know, full themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that like him kind of being humble to a little bit, helped me enjoy him more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, the fact like the the gross from our, I mean, he's so has like gross from ours, but then once again, and she's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: for less calm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're less.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, once again, which is what I've been saying for a few seasons, he's a team boy, like what team boy isn't thinking about sex constantly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I really like him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then once again, like he was trying and he got a whole lot of jobs, unlike our next person who fucking has done absolutely pretty much nothing all season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giles, you are a my shit list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are

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[SPEAKER_01]: You, you, you need to get a job, my friend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to get a job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to do something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Giles was fun and ployed all season long and this is one of the, this is the biggest character I would point to in terms of I feel like we lost out by focusing so much on Riley is that we really got nothing from trials like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, my biggest pro for Giles was the fact that we got to see him sing a number of times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's impressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was incredible to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did have a relationship kind of, but not when we really knew what tonne about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously there is his struggle with

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[SPEAKER_00]: needing to be needed and the fact that he no longer is like an integral, like close member of the Scoobies, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're coming to his apartment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is not in the library.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is not available on a moment's notice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, and he's not a watcher anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like as a job, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he is no longer with that company, that whatever, which is probably a good thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was a huge part of his identity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've always joked that he trained as a child so like be a freaking watcher and he no longer has that as part of his identity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that really does hurt him and I caught him to struggle this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wish even if he's going to struggle all season, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But give us some more of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like give us some like lone jiles scenes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bright spots for me with jiles this season were

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[SPEAKER_00]: obviously the singing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting to sing and I was getting to see it so many times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really, really fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And his relationship with Spike, then being like the weird roommates for a while, was really, really entertaining.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is like the one thing, propping, jiles up the season for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because otherwise, I can't really point to like a ton because he didn't get a ton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's there, he's helping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's not getting a ton and drunk jails is also just such a vibe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is so funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I totally agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that when there's so many characters that are so much fun, so likable, you know, are very funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they are having hard time finding his place, which I feel like he feels that as a character as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what is my place?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like really interesting identity is probably

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[SPEAKER_01]: like a questioning his identity because like he grew up trying to be a watcher but then while he was in the university he was like I want to rebel against that I want to be ripper I want to do dark magic I want to be a badass I want to like play music I want to wear a leather jacket and then eventually his like relationship his friendship with like Ethan

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[SPEAKER_01]: made him realize that like, oh, this is like not what I want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he goes back to being a watcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then once he gets fired as a watcher, he's no longer a watcher, which was his identity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's no longer the rapper, which was his identity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then it's just like, who am I?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do I do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is my purpose?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really, really, really interested in him being at this crossroads of, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I want a career?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I want to be a watcher?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I want to do this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or do I want to explore what I never had, which was a stable family?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how his, I mean, like a love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've never, like, he's not in a relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have children.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He sees Buffy as a child, but then Buffy is doing her own thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy is like a philosopher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have his own family, so then he's at a crossroads of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: what do I want?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think once again, as a person that's in their thirties, that's single, or he might be in his forties, who the fuck knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, you're kind of like, okay, well, I focused on careers so much, but then do I have a family life to show for it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, it's extremely relatable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the hardest thing is that none of this was articulated to us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was shown in bits and

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[SPEAKER_01]: but some pieces throughout and we're like creating our own narrative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Essentially, I mean, like they've shown some of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like at the one Giles episode where he turns into the demon and that's like, it's mostly played for laughs, but I do think there is something and like this disconnect, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there is a little bit of rip or content with Ethan, that's really fun, but I would have appreciated more depth in terms of what he's going through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of it was surface level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do agree like I think like with all these side characters like a Riley gang and a lot of attention like a willow plus Tara and like an onya plus zander and a spike who actually does take up a lot of

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[SPEAKER_01]: screen time like because he's awesome and fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think like they just didn't have time to really develop jiles the season and like maybe that's okay, but that doesn't like both well in terms of like when we're ranking characters and a TV show when everybody is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, hopefully more from Giles, more, I don't know, just just more deep stuff with Giles next season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to get him more integrated into like the university somehow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot, I don't have that in my predictions, but I do think there's a way to do that that works well for the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just surprised it didn't happen this season because like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was so natural for him to just get a job at the university like why not but I mean he's going to have to get a job like he can't be fun and played forever yeah exactly exactly so maybe hopefully hopefully next season um but let's talk about a character who doesn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: stick around long this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did want to include him because he is an important character in Oz.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oz goes to a really interesting transformation, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he starts off on the college campus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in below where still dating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still doing the like lock myself up for three days a month because of his wearable fee stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he meets Veruca.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they have like an instant kind of a fair amount sort of a connection.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he cheats on Willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not only that, but she is a totally different type of wearable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't cage herself up when she turns, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just is wild and on hinge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she says to him, it's unnatural.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, what he does by cheating on Willow and really like, he needs to have a heart to heart with himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: about being aware wolf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, goose agrees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that as much as I can, I think that he, man, the gift that he gave to Willow,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is very beautiful, very sweet of, I love you for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love you for all of your weirdness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love you for who you are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she gave the same gift to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love you no matter if you were, I quote unquote, monster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I love you the way you are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like, is such a beautiful first love for them to have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate that it is, like, muddled with, like, a cheating scandal for both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, um, it's the only one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit as a whole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it could have been like a really lovely, beautiful first love story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they both didn't cheat on each other, um, I think that, like, something like this could happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to fade apart naturally, but all of that's say is that I do appreciate the character of Oz for what he gave to Willow for being like, I like found myself to be like, you know, like a loser or a weirdo or a black sheep and I was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like you just want to be accepted, you just want to be loved for who you are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for Willow to get that is just like really lovely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Aside from all of that, like, catch me, like, you'll never find me caring about like an Oz storyline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't really care about wearables.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really care about Oz's personality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really care about what Oz does or who he sees or, you know, I find

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Willow and the Tara relationship a lot more exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, I don't know, like I just find it, you know, I've said this like a billion times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like I'm so fine with being like alone on an island with this that like I don't really enjoy us as a character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But once we get into Riley, like you know, you can say the same thing to me, like to like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that there's different strokes for different folks like I really really really do and if the majority of people love us and love his personality and like love him as a character like all power to you by he's like two monotone and two boring for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think everybody says Riley's boring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe I'm crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, probably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that Oz also kind of represents this like reckoning with who you are and like obviously it's to the extreme of him being aware wolf and turning into monster and hurting people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, you know, if we want to equate that with like

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[SPEAKER_00]: turning into a monster and hurting people emotionally or something like you can you can easily see that connection there and him saying I need to go figure myself out to like to better be able to like if I can't be a boyfriend to you in the way that I am right now I need to figure myself out and then he realizing like coming back and realizing like I thought I had a handle on this but it turns out I don't and like finding out that you're with someone else was like pushed me over the edge and he needs to leave again again

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[SPEAKER_00]: If for nothing else for the Willow growth arc like Oz plays an integral role in that and I really enjoyed even though we only got a small bit of him for me it was like perfectly enough to to kind of set Willow off on this trajectory and like have

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[SPEAKER_00]: their breakup kind of be the catalyst that she needs to really find herself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then for her to have the strength to be like, no, sorry, like, we can't, we can't be together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And have that be what, like, it really like confirms for her, like, I want to be with Tara, Tara is the person for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really liked what we did get from Oz, like it's not a ton, but again, it really like sets Willow up for success for this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would like it a lot more if the Veruca stuff didn't come to Veruca sucks ass so much and I did rewatch that episode and I still hated Veruca.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really, I understood but it still sucks to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I would even more into it if you know how like last season I was speculating like oh he's not gonna be able to let go of this blah blah blah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm more interested in that storyline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the cheating from, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, well, I'm so sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did one of those things were like, I talk in a sentence that like only makes sense in my brain because I'm like talking like halfway through a completely fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do a lot and like Jessica being one of my best friends is like very good at typically interpreting it, but then again, like people listening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we thought that that was going to be his thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His hang up is like the cheating thing, but then he turns around and does it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes it, it makes, it's cheap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like, I'm so glad that he was in the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he played in Tegral Park and I went all of it, but I just would not want that man as my boyfriend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I mean, yeah, that's fair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but do we want to talk about the other relationship below has the season and Tara, who I think is one of the more mysterious characters on the show in terms of how little we know about her, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vibes-wise, she saw spoken, she's really good, which, like, she really cares about Willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She seems like she has decent morals, good instincts, but really good instincts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's this hanging thread of, like, why did she throw the dust under the rug?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And how is she so important to appear not just in Willow's dream and restless?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just shows up in everyone's dreams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she feels like she's playing a really, really important, like the mouthpiece for the first layer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't seem like an accident to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm really interested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish we got a little more from Tara.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy that we focused so much on Willow and like how her relationship with Tara spoke about Willow as a character that I'm willing to be like, it's okay, we have time to like, but like again, if we're gonna focus so much on Riley, we could have given Tara a little bit more, like a teensy, a scoosh more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tara's on the opening credits, ma'am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care about the opening credits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Tara being the opening credits next season, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think she gets bumped up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she's such an interesting character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I really think that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, she's different from everybody else, which is great, like really unique.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think that obviously I love anything whichy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that really excites me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, I think that you hit all the good points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a mystery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely something that she's hiding either intentionally or

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[SPEAKER_01]: unintentionally she's i mean i still don't think it's going to be malicious but i feel like she thinks is bad like she thinks it's it's really really bad and then it's not bad about or she thinks that um i don't know like she thinks that she

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[SPEAKER_01]: the the the spell was something about demons like uncovering demons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's low it showed the location of a demon whereas I had that like maybe she's like half demon and like it would show her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The twenty three and me we leave the twenty three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she's, she's half demon or a quarter demon and she's like really embarrassed or like really, she feels a lot of shame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she feels like a character that like is very sensitive to this realm and others and is really sensitive to just everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, she probably holds a lot of shame about herself and how she is in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she's like a witch from the Salem witch trials and she's been alive for hundreds of years and she has like a lot of shame about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's something, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I really cannot imagine a world where we are looking at the end of season five and we're like, oh, Tara was like really evil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like a really bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like not like a misunderstanding, but something that it can be explained away like why she was being so secretive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I'm really interested in getting to know Tara more and another character I hope is in the opening credits next season because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye, God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we need more on you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's such a star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She her in spike gave me the most comedic relief this season.

58:27.984 --> 58:28.985
[SPEAKER_00]: They did such a good job.

58:29.005 --> 58:31.346
[SPEAKER_00]: I was devastated to lose cordie from the show.

58:31.987 --> 58:35.089
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like those two made it bearable that she was gone.

58:36.050 --> 58:38.972
[SPEAKER_01]: I miss cordie a lot less than I thought I was going to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the main reason is that on his humor,

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[SPEAKER_01]: works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, so like we know that like spike is like kind of the replacement of Cordelia with being the person like the observational humor.

58:55.470 --> 59:00.451
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I find Anios humor to just be incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I love the way that she

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[SPEAKER_01]: says every single thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything that comes out of her mouth, I'm cackling at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she's a great character really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she also adds to the commentary of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like saying things that the audience might be thinking or like she's like the hyper person that is like

59:24.805 --> 59:31.112
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, honey, you really shouldn't say that, but also it's kind of true, but also like really should not say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Spike does that as well, but like I just like once again, like just the way that she says her lines is just like every single time she's on the screen, I'm like glued to her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really love

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[SPEAKER_01]: everything about her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she's so interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that her past is so interesting.

59:52.985 --> 01:00:03.132
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that fact that like she has been alive for hundreds of years and for whatever reason she finds the under the most remarkable man that's ever existed.

01:00:03.152 --> 01:00:08.357
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny and it's like also funny because it's just like

01:00:10.890 --> 01:00:16.053
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, Zander is supposed to be just beaten in teenage form.

01:00:16.173 --> 01:00:22.376
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, of course, he's going to be like, yeah, like, the girl is like, that has been a life for hundreds of years.

01:00:22.476 --> 01:00:24.017
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, going to be obsessed with me.

01:00:24.137 --> 01:00:25.197
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:00:25.237 --> 01:00:25.437
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:00:25.617 --> 01:00:25.858
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:00:25.978 --> 01:00:26.838
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the dream.

01:00:26.918 --> 01:00:29.219
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you, like, he's like the anomaly.

01:00:29.259 --> 01:00:32.381
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's the one and only, but like the way that she talks about Zander, like,

01:00:32.901 --> 01:00:40.506
[SPEAKER_01]: the episode where they were locked in, oh, I think it was where the wild things were, where she led dresses up as like the bunny.

01:00:40.806 --> 01:00:43.748
[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, it's not, that's the Halloween one.

01:00:43.849 --> 01:00:45.650
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the, I'm here for cell phone.

01:00:45.710 --> 01:00:48.292
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're locked in the fraternity house a lot.

01:00:48.472 --> 01:00:50.073
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a lot of fraternity stuff.

01:00:50.873 --> 01:00:58.078
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just like, oh, like, I'm here to save Zander, like you have to save Zander, like, are you going to save Zander?

01:00:58.178 --> 01:00:59.679
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like so focused.

01:01:01.421 --> 01:01:11.195
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like like she's never mean like she's just not mean like she's like she's just like focused on Zander and that's it.

01:01:11.215 --> 01:01:15.841
[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't care about anything else but Zander like she's not mean to Buffy.

01:01:17.603 --> 01:01:41.736
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like it's it's just so funny and like I like that I mean at least Buffy I feel like integrates her as much as she integrates anybody Willow I was like you're being so rude to her like so rude to her to Onya, but yeah great character phenomenal love every single scene that she's in she really makes me laugh like I really I really enjoy her.

01:01:42.036 --> 01:01:43.497
[SPEAKER_01]: I really think that she's phenomenal

01:01:44.370 --> 01:01:45.551
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's so quick.

01:01:46.671 --> 01:01:50.573
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that she gets integrated into the Scoobies a bit more next season.

01:01:51.013 --> 01:01:52.793
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, hopefully she's the main character.

01:01:52.994 --> 01:01:54.334
[SPEAKER_00]: We see her in those opening credits.

01:01:54.774 --> 01:01:55.655
[SPEAKER_00]: She gets more to do.

01:01:56.555 --> 01:01:57.535
[SPEAKER_00]: I love on ya.

01:01:57.635 --> 01:01:59.156
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think she's so funny.

01:01:59.516 --> 01:02:03.538
[SPEAKER_00]: And if that's what she's bringing to the table, I'm here for it every single time.

01:02:04.058 --> 01:02:04.598
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:05.339 --> 01:02:07.319
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's let's talk about Riley.

01:02:07.359 --> 01:02:11.441
[SPEAKER_00]: Sarah, I'm gonna let you start with Riley, because you you love Riley.

01:02:11.461 --> 01:02:13.182
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love seeing his presence.

01:02:13.542 --> 01:02:33.380
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think like for me, it's the fact that I, I love the fact that Buffy has found somebody that is an equal in so many ways, but not in the exact way.

01:02:34.161 --> 01:02:38.005
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like what I mean by that is that like, I think that

01:02:38.605 --> 01:02:41.086
[SPEAKER_01]: Riley rivals her in intelligence.

01:02:41.126 --> 01:02:46.947
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that he could, you know, he's not stronger than her, but he can fight her on a good day.

01:02:47.027 --> 01:02:54.749
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that they were working towards like the same common goal of like killing demons and killing evil.

01:02:55.970 --> 01:02:58.771
[SPEAKER_01]: But once again, like they're they're not like the same.

01:02:58.811 --> 01:03:00.251
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't do the same exact thing.

01:03:00.291 --> 01:03:01.791
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like both slayers.

01:03:01.831 --> 01:03:05.392
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like competing against one another.

01:03:05.492 --> 01:03:06.993
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that like I

01:03:07.933 --> 01:03:23.116
[SPEAKER_01]: have found him extremely endearing like ever since the beginning and then you know it's like I'm trying to be like yeah like why do I like why would I rather be into somebody like Riley than somebody like Oz and I think like I think like it's

01:03:23.857 --> 01:03:35.942
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just like a softness in a way of like, I think that he, I really am attracted to the fact that he is a leader, but he's not like a leader that like farce was a leader.

01:03:36.342 --> 01:03:37.302
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know what I mean?

01:03:37.382 --> 01:03:45.306
[SPEAKER_01]: Of like, he seemed like a leader that like people want to look up to because they trust you.

01:03:45.786 --> 01:03:50.368
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think like, he just is just like a good guy.

01:03:50.388 --> 01:03:51.968
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he just seemed like a good guy.

01:03:52.028 --> 01:03:52.949
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that like,

01:03:53.689 --> 01:04:02.494
[SPEAKER_01]: her relationship with Riley is healthy and I just want everybody to be in like healthy, non-toxic relationships.

01:04:02.954 --> 01:04:04.755
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand it's boring.

01:04:04.855 --> 01:04:07.036
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand it's not interesting.

01:04:07.116 --> 01:04:08.177
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not spicy.

01:04:08.337 --> 01:04:15.761
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand that Riley loves missionary and he probably loves a little cuddle after sex.

01:04:15.961 --> 01:04:18.683
[SPEAKER_01]: I totally get that and I understand if that's not

01:04:19.463 --> 01:04:32.078
[SPEAKER_01]: like exciting and it's not like earth-shattering passion and chemistry, which is like a whole other debate of like do you think that Buffy and Marley have chemistry?

01:04:32.158 --> 01:04:33.099
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course I do.

01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:37.123
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's a different type of chemistry than a spike in a Buffy has.

01:04:38.545 --> 01:04:39.366
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think like

01:04:40.367 --> 01:04:55.169
[SPEAKER_01]: Having somebody like Riley who is so stable and safe and kind is really healing for a person like Buffy who has never had a man figure in her lifestyle.

01:04:55.930 --> 01:04:57.550
[SPEAKER_01]: We are talking about her father.

01:04:57.690 --> 01:04:59.431
[SPEAKER_01]: We are talking about Angel.

01:04:59.511 --> 01:05:00.931
[SPEAKER_01]: We are talking about Parker.

01:05:01.571 --> 01:05:12.573
[SPEAKER_01]: She's never had a man who she can feel safe with and feel like she could trust and to find that in a relationship is invaluable.

01:05:12.953 --> 01:05:15.874
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I just, I just like him.

01:05:15.994 --> 01:05:18.195
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I like his vibe.

01:05:18.315 --> 01:05:19.735
[SPEAKER_01]: I would feel safe with him.

01:05:20.675 --> 01:05:27.280
[SPEAKER_01]: He is so vanilla bread, vanilla bread, white bread, he's so vanilla ice cream, white bread.

01:05:27.300 --> 01:05:28.201
[SPEAKER_01]: I got it.

01:05:28.501 --> 01:05:28.801
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.

01:05:28.821 --> 01:05:33.025
[SPEAKER_01]: I really do, but he works for me.

01:05:33.325 --> 01:05:42.112
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I feel as though he would take Buffy in his arms, kiss her on the top of

01:05:42.992 --> 01:05:58.220
[SPEAKER_01]: her forehead and makes sweet sweet love to her and that's what she needs and that's my thing about Riley that's that's it that's why I have to say yeah um I don't hate Riley I don't think I love him like some people do

01:05:59.640 --> 01:06:07.042
[SPEAKER_00]: I've said a million times that we don't need to talk this to the end of the earth because I have the same things to say, whereas I just feel like he's kind of bland.

01:06:08.222 --> 01:06:17.865
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he's kind of bland and I wish we didn't spend so much of the season on him as a character because I didn't particularly enjoy him.

01:06:18.205 --> 01:06:21.505
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think my problem was like, oh, now Buffy's obsessed with Riley.

01:06:21.585 --> 01:06:22.386
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great.

01:06:22.446 --> 01:06:24.286
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's like, he's a military guy.

01:06:24.426 --> 01:06:25.206
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, whatever.

01:06:25.246 --> 01:06:27.547
[SPEAKER_00]: But then he's the one who's getting all of these like,

01:06:28.407 --> 01:06:53.645
[SPEAKER_00]: stories and the big spelling music and all these other things that I wish that like characters I cared about more were we're getting so I don't I we've talked about this like I think him and Buffy have a pretty solid relationship and like is one of the healthier relationships it's just not very exciting and I personally don't really see the chemistry there I like to be like cheese I think he can have his endearing moments

01:06:54.405 --> 01:06:55.847
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think he's a little bland.

01:06:55.867 --> 01:06:57.228
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we'll see where he goes.

01:06:57.348 --> 01:07:02.213
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so interesting because like I really do find us because has the fact that he's a werewolf.

01:07:13.027 --> 01:07:35.290
[SPEAKER_01]: bland like I just do this well because I think it's the way he talks that you don't like because he does talk like very monotone but he's always saying something funny I it's just the delivery is very monotone yeah I guess I said because I'm like trying to think like I don't know with like Riley I would be so much more into dating him and I think like a part of it is that like he has like a

01:07:36.111 --> 01:07:37.352
[SPEAKER_01]: presence to him.

01:07:37.812 --> 01:07:39.273
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know.

01:07:39.333 --> 01:07:42.035
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I like the fact that he's like a leader.

01:07:42.055 --> 01:07:47.018
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the fact that he's like a little bit more take charge.

01:07:47.038 --> 01:07:51.881
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I guess like for us, I just feel like he's very like

01:07:53.024 --> 01:07:58.665
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, dude, a little too, like, nonchalant, like, which I don't think that I'd like, basically I can cash.

01:07:59.165 --> 01:08:10.128
[SPEAKER_01]: Oz is a beta, and I don't think I want to really date like a full-type B person.

01:08:10.148 --> 01:08:12.488
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'd like that.

01:08:13.668 --> 01:08:16.589
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I need somebody who's like an A or an AB.

01:08:18.215 --> 01:08:18.855
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:08:18.895 --> 01:08:20.016
[SPEAKER_01]: One type we're talking about now?

01:08:20.236 --> 01:08:20.877
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no.

01:08:20.897 --> 01:08:32.204
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something that like can be an A type A personality and somebody who could also be a type B. Like I don't like a full type B thing.

01:08:32.724 --> 01:08:33.005
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:08:33.685 --> 01:08:37.448
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I just really like Riley's like development throughout the season.

01:08:37.488 --> 01:08:48.537
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like yeah, we've talked about this a lot, especially in our last episode with Hannah about how I think that his storyline

01:08:50.218 --> 01:08:54.241
[SPEAKER_01]: could have gone a totally different way with a focus on Professor Walsh.

01:08:54.341 --> 01:09:05.970
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that her leaving really derailed not only the entire season with the big bad, but also with his storyline and it being justified of him getting like

01:09:06.891 --> 01:09:11.272
[SPEAKER_01]: like front billing or big store lines, big super music.

01:09:12.513 --> 01:09:15.893
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that that is like not really widely spoiled.

01:09:15.934 --> 01:09:18.874
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that that's like just a case of like what happened.

01:09:19.574 --> 01:09:27.617
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that for me personally, having him overcome the fact that he

01:09:29.037 --> 01:09:34.859
[SPEAKER_01]: was just like a gold soldier and like that's what he was like born to do.

01:09:35.339 --> 01:09:37.700
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like for me that's interesting.

01:09:37.940 --> 01:09:42.602
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, of course, Buffy got there a lot sooner, but Buffy was also conditioned very differently.

01:09:42.782 --> 01:09:43.823
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

01:09:45.123 --> 01:10:02.193
[SPEAKER_01]: Overall like that we've talked about Riley so much so like I don't really think that there's like a lot more to say besides the fact that like he's cute he likes cheese and Yeah, I like him and just as mount him and others hate him and that is what we have to say about Riley

01:10:02.573 --> 01:10:17.051
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so let's finish out our characters by touching on spike who was really neutered this season when he got the chip in plant, but it did allow for him to have really fun moments with the rest of our characters, namely Jiles and Zander.

01:10:17.612 --> 01:10:20.015
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he no longer can harm them.

01:10:20.315 --> 01:10:26.342
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's basically just a little puppy dog who has all bark and no bite.

01:10:27.583 --> 01:10:28.524
[SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed Spike.

01:10:28.544 --> 01:10:32.889
[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about him being kind of like a sub in for Cordelia in terms of the comedic value.

01:10:32.929 --> 01:10:36.673
[SPEAKER_00]: He brings and I'm really excited to see what he's going to bring.

01:10:37.494 --> 01:10:48.564
[SPEAKER_00]: to us in the future knowing that he still does still has that chip in there because Adam had, you know, agreed to remove it and then the deal got broken when Buffy and this rest of the Scooby's showed up at the initiative.

01:10:48.644 --> 01:10:51.026
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's still on the board.

01:10:51.126 --> 01:10:55.870
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I'm really, I think he's going to be around for the remainder of the show.

01:10:55.930 --> 01:10:59.534
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just don't see them killing him off or getting rid of him in any capacity.

01:10:59.954 --> 01:11:01.295
[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be interesting to see

01:11:02.216 --> 01:11:07.080
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, as he chipped for the remainder of the show, like I, I know you feel the same way.

01:11:07.100 --> 01:11:11.164
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not spoiled.

01:11:11.284 --> 01:11:12.945
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I swear I'm not spoiled.

01:11:13.306 --> 01:11:25.076
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the vibes between Buffy and Spike make it very obvious that at some point there will be a romantic thing, which there's, the fact of matter is that there's no way it's not going to happen.

01:11:25.416 --> 01:11:32.020
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because when characters have as much chemistry as they do, any showrunner, any writer, it's gonna be like, okay, and now we're gonna make them kiss.

01:11:32.080 --> 01:11:33.201
[SPEAKER_00]: Like now it's gonna happen.

01:11:33.361 --> 01:11:35.722
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know if we're seeing some immediate characters.

01:11:35.802 --> 01:11:37.363
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, I don't know.

01:11:38.144 --> 01:11:39.865
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're gonna get together at some point.

01:11:39.885 --> 01:11:41.386
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm excited to see it happen.

01:11:41.466 --> 01:11:45.968
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see if Spike gets some sort of a redemption story.

01:11:46.068 --> 01:11:51.311
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if Orif, he is always gonna be this kind of like bad boy who no longer has teeth.

01:11:51.492 --> 01:11:51.672
[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

01:11:52.352 --> 01:11:52.732
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:11:52.912 --> 01:11:55.053
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here for a regardless though.

01:11:55.093 --> 01:12:00.374
[SPEAKER_00]: I think his interactions with like Giles and Zander are so funny and also Willow.

01:12:00.454 --> 01:12:02.494
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like the moment he has with Willow as well.

01:12:02.574 --> 01:12:11.996
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I really do think that we're going to see him become like an assistant watch or type of thing.

01:12:12.576 --> 01:12:14.476
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like the dream.

01:12:15.057 --> 01:12:19.097
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just think that that makes a lot of souls.

01:12:19.397 --> 01:12:21.698
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he's going to eventually

01:12:22.959 --> 01:12:26.564
[SPEAKER_01]: become good on his own or something.

01:12:26.584 --> 01:12:31.730
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, like, or through a lot of trial and

01:12:33.493 --> 01:12:34.214
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:12:34.814 --> 01:12:38.316
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like he's never, he's not going to be like evil the whole time.

01:12:38.376 --> 01:12:45.381
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to get like pretty, but like a pretty lame, but he, this was definitely like his best season for me.

01:12:45.621 --> 01:12:47.262
[SPEAKER_01]: I really loved him this season.

01:12:47.362 --> 01:12:53.646
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always liked him, but I like him better being neutered because

01:12:54.755 --> 01:13:05.976
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like really funny and also he wasn't being mean, one hundred percent a time to all the girlfriends, which I was still pretty mean to harmony, but maybe harmony serves it a little.

01:13:06.737 --> 01:13:06.898
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:13:07.638 --> 01:13:07.858
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:13:08.198 --> 01:13:08.659
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:13:08.839 --> 01:13:09.219
[SPEAKER_00]: Harmony.

01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:12.021
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, her and Jial, stop it.

01:13:12.722 --> 01:13:14.583
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'd still on my brain is so funny.

01:13:15.444 --> 01:13:16.825
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

01:13:17.606 --> 01:13:18.747
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are character breakdowns.

01:13:19.607 --> 01:13:21.429
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into our rankings.

01:13:21.889 --> 01:13:28.254
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm going to pull up our prior rankings because as a reminder, we do these halfway through the season.

01:13:28.774 --> 01:13:31.877
[SPEAKER_00]: So Sarah midway through this season.

01:13:32.497 --> 01:13:40.201
[SPEAKER_00]: your character rankings were buffy on your spike, Riley, Willow, Giles, and Zander.

01:13:40.221 --> 01:13:41.562
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was even in pension.

01:13:42.302 --> 01:13:43.263
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:13:43.363 --> 01:13:44.163
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you, sorry.

01:13:44.543 --> 01:13:51.507
[SPEAKER_00]: No, let's remove, let's remove Oz from ours because we didn't even rank him half way through season and he was already gone by then.

01:13:51.907 --> 01:13:55.249
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just going to take Oz off the board for both of us.

01:13:55.469 --> 01:13:59.772
[SPEAKER_00]: And we will be including Tara and our rankings now, though we didn't

01:14:01.272 --> 01:14:04.353
[SPEAKER_00]: earlier because she wasn't really around at that point.

01:14:05.233 --> 01:14:12.835
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so halfway through the season, your rankings were buffy on a spike, Riley, Willow, Giles, and Zander.

01:14:14.175 --> 01:14:19.156
[SPEAKER_00]: So Zander at the bottom, do you want to start off, do you want to go bottom to top like usual?

01:14:19.676 --> 01:14:21.937
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Giles, I haven't bottom.

01:14:22.977 --> 01:14:25.698
[SPEAKER_01]: Man has no job and it's really annoying me.

01:14:26.698 --> 01:14:27.558
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I have Zander.

01:14:27.598 --> 01:14:37.521
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, actually before I see this, it is so hard to rank these characters because I genuinely like every single one of them except for Oz but you took him off.

01:14:39.562 --> 01:14:40.622
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's really hard.

01:14:40.642 --> 01:14:41.923
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't just like any of them.

01:14:42.023 --> 01:14:42.863
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like all of them.

01:14:43.023 --> 01:14:43.883
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just why I want to say.

01:14:44.243 --> 01:14:49.025
[SPEAKER_01]: Giles and then Zander and then Tara and then I have Spike

01:14:49.805 --> 01:14:52.826
[SPEAKER_01]: Willow, Riley, Buffy, and Ania.

01:14:53.287 --> 01:14:59.729
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like I'm mostly the same except that Ania got the bump because Ania's so good.

01:14:59.749 --> 01:15:04.872
[SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as I made those rankings last time, I was like, you know what, I think that like I ranked.

01:15:05.712 --> 01:15:06.252
[SPEAKER_01]: incorrectly.

01:15:06.272 --> 01:15:10.974
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think because it was if there had been one more episode, you wouldn't have bumped on you up.

01:15:11.174 --> 01:15:12.134
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I saw.

01:15:12.174 --> 01:15:12.354
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:15:12.474 --> 01:15:12.714
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:15:12.774 --> 01:15:21.637
[SPEAKER_01]: So basically, on you, Buffy are my two favorites, but they have been for a bit, but I really liked Willow the season.

01:15:21.658 --> 01:15:22.978
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like Spike.

01:15:23.038 --> 01:15:26.099
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Tara has a ton of potential.

01:15:26.519 --> 01:15:27.660
[SPEAKER_01]: I think all of them are great.

01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:28.620
[SPEAKER_01]: I really, really do.

01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:33.301
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's Giles is at my bottom because like, I don't think that it was his best season.

01:15:33.502 --> 01:15:34.402
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's okay.

01:15:35.916 --> 01:15:39.798
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, yeah, it is not, jiles is best season.

01:15:39.858 --> 01:15:53.264
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will say like when I was doing this ranking, I was trying to decide if it was, if I was doing it like a stock watch where it's like people, their old stuff impacts them or is this just this season.

01:15:53.304 --> 01:15:56.085
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I've landed on that this is just this season.

01:15:56.665 --> 01:16:01.547
[SPEAKER_00]: So like just because one character is above another doesn't mean that I love that character more.

01:16:02.228 --> 01:16:03.868
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just this season.

01:16:03.908 --> 01:16:04.909
[SPEAKER_00]: This is how I feel about them.

01:16:05.429 --> 01:16:06.049
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's right.

01:16:06.169 --> 01:16:12.312
[SPEAKER_01]: My thoughts are always like, who when I see this person come on screen, am I excited to see them?

01:16:12.512 --> 01:16:15.293
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, am I excited to watch what they're getting me?

01:16:15.673 --> 01:16:17.474
[SPEAKER_00]: Is how I usually do the rankings?

01:16:18.074 --> 01:16:26.798
[SPEAKER_00]: So midway for the season, my rankings were on yet the top, then Willow, Spike, Buffy, Giles, Zander, and Riley at the bottom.

01:16:28.379 --> 01:16:31.422
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, not a ton has changed.

01:16:32.183 --> 01:16:37.369
[SPEAKER_00]: At the very bottom, I have Riley again, he's kind of boring, so I put him back down the bottom.

01:16:37.749 --> 01:16:41.133
[SPEAKER_00]: Then Tara, I like Tara, I just need more from Tara.

01:16:41.193 --> 01:16:44.016
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know her well enough to put her any higher than this personally.

01:16:44.917 --> 01:16:46.920
[SPEAKER_00]: The next show is where I waffles back and forth.

01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:51.625
[SPEAKER_00]: Next I have Giles, and I put Giles below Zander.

01:16:52.126 --> 01:16:57.472
[SPEAKER_00]: Because when I pinpoint the things I like about Giles' story, it's really only those two things.

01:16:57.592 --> 01:17:00.175
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the singing, and it is the time spent with Spike.

01:17:00.836 --> 01:17:01.497
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not enough.

01:17:01.777 --> 01:17:02.818
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there needs to be more.

01:17:02.838 --> 01:17:11.004
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Xander has had a better growth arc and just more going on and just more initiative in terms of getting jobs and his relationship with Agna.

01:17:11.405 --> 01:17:14.227
[SPEAKER_00]: So after Giles is Xander, Xander is directly above Giles.

01:17:15.088 --> 01:17:15.688
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I have Spike.

01:17:15.889 --> 01:17:16.669
[SPEAKER_00]: I really love Spike.

01:17:16.769 --> 01:17:18.531
[SPEAKER_00]: He cracks me up so, so, so much.

01:17:19.131 --> 01:17:23.215
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm really, I think his storyline of getting neutered and not being able to

01:17:24.035 --> 01:17:27.098
[SPEAKER_00]: But this could be this is very fun and I'm interested to see where that's going to go.

01:17:27.638 --> 01:17:34.624
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I have Buffy then Willow and then Onya, Onya being at the tip of the top because she is just the best.

01:17:35.324 --> 01:17:39.768
[SPEAKER_00]: And when we're talking about like main characters, I like I like to Willow the best.

01:17:39.788 --> 01:17:40.729
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought she had the best season.

01:17:40.829 --> 01:17:45.293
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought her growth arc her story arc was really, really satisfying to watch.

01:17:46.073 --> 01:17:49.194
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, those are those are my rankings.

01:17:49.294 --> 01:17:53.036
[SPEAKER_00]: Mostly, um, honestly, not a ton changed.

01:17:53.076 --> 01:17:56.577
[SPEAKER_00]: Buffy moved up a smidge and Xander moved up a smidge.

01:17:56.858 --> 01:17:59.799
[SPEAKER_00]: And otherwise, we're pretty much in the same scenario halfway through season.

01:17:59.879 --> 01:18:02.380
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, those are our rankings.

01:18:03.491 --> 01:18:08.854
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to add to our villain rankings, because we've just started, I think, last season, keeping a villain rankings.

01:18:10.476 --> 01:18:11.056
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go first.

01:18:11.196 --> 01:18:13.618
[SPEAKER_00]: I had prior to Adam showing up.

01:18:14.118 --> 01:18:20.402
[SPEAKER_00]: I had Daddy Vamp, Sendru, Lu, Angelus, the mayor, Spike, and the anointed one at the very bottom.

01:18:20.922 --> 01:18:27.266
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have slotted in Adam just above the anointed one, because the anointed one is still the worst for me.

01:18:27.386 --> 01:18:29.208
[SPEAKER_00]: He still sucks the most.

01:18:30.188 --> 01:18:32.088
[SPEAKER_00]: Adam is like pretty subpar.

01:18:32.289 --> 01:18:41.030
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't as bothered by Adam as I think a lot of people were yet it sucked to like not have Professor Walsh continue for the remainder of the season.

01:18:41.070 --> 01:18:43.391
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the rankings are look a little different.

01:18:44.091 --> 01:18:46.772
[SPEAKER_00]: If we have, you know, maybe even my Riley ranking looks different.

01:18:46.912 --> 01:18:50.052
[SPEAKER_00]: If we have Professor Walsh the whole season, but it is what it is.

01:18:50.072 --> 01:18:51.753
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's where Adam is going to fall for me.

01:18:51.813 --> 01:18:52.273
[SPEAKER_00]: What about you?

01:18:53.168 --> 01:19:00.335
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, I love how I've bullied you to keep Daddy Bams on top because, yeah, I don't know why he's earned it.

01:19:00.375 --> 01:19:03.798
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a, he has the, what, he's grandfathered in.

01:19:04.298 --> 01:19:07.161
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's granddaddy, granddaddy Bams didn't.

01:19:07.481 --> 01:19:16.249
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because like, I think like, remember, I was like, I thought that we had an alliance because you like, ranked him lower last time, though, so rude, but never forgot.

01:19:16.350 --> 01:19:16.550
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:19:17.050 --> 01:19:20.054
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, Daddy Bams is the number one villain of all time.

01:19:20.154 --> 01:19:21.516
[SPEAKER_01]: He is such a good daddy.

01:19:21.656 --> 01:19:24.559
[SPEAKER_01]: He is so caring of all of his children.

01:19:24.579 --> 01:19:27.243
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't do make it to see him this season too.

01:19:27.323 --> 01:19:27.943
[SPEAKER_01]: That was great.

01:19:27.963 --> 01:19:30.166
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't last season.

01:19:30.306 --> 01:19:31.147
[SPEAKER_01]: Who the fuck knows?

01:19:31.267 --> 01:19:31.588
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.

01:19:31.928 --> 01:19:33.109
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm regardless.

01:19:33.949 --> 01:19:40.732
[SPEAKER_01]: Drew Lulu next for me, then the mayor, then I have Angela's, then I have Adam, then I have Spike.

01:19:40.852 --> 01:19:42.892
[SPEAKER_01]: Only because I don't think Spike's a very good villain.

01:19:43.213 --> 01:19:43.833
[SPEAKER_01]: I really don't.

01:19:43.853 --> 01:19:46.754
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think that he's a good bad guy.

01:19:47.774 --> 01:19:48.875
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I have the annoying tip one.

01:19:50.465 --> 01:19:50.745
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:19:50.825 --> 01:19:51.006
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:19:51.066 --> 01:19:51.847
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's a little bit sucks.

01:19:51.867 --> 01:19:52.247
[SPEAKER_01]: We hate him.

01:19:52.747 --> 01:19:53.208
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:19:53.248 --> 01:19:54.589
[SPEAKER_01]: He is the worst.

01:19:54.890 --> 01:19:56.151
[SPEAKER_01]: Do not the worst boy.

01:19:56.511 --> 01:20:03.759
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I, you know, like Adam was Adam, like, but he doesn't suck as bad as the anointed one.

01:20:03.999 --> 01:20:07.903
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was a better villain than spike is I don't think spice a villain.

01:20:07.943 --> 01:20:10.786
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he just loves a little killies.

01:20:11.127 --> 01:20:11.908
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's about it.

01:20:12.905 --> 01:20:14.306
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:20:14.926 --> 01:20:19.789
[SPEAKER_00]: As for the MVPs and LVPs, I gave my MVP to Willow.

01:20:20.149 --> 01:20:26.392
[SPEAKER_00]: I really think she came into her own this season, and she had a really incredible growth arc.

01:20:26.772 --> 01:20:33.896
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like college is a whole new world for her, and she's really excelled beyond the prison of high school.

01:20:34.916 --> 01:20:38.238
[SPEAKER_00]: So I put her as my MVP of the season.

01:20:38.781 --> 01:20:40.202
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that that's a great take.

01:20:40.402 --> 01:20:48.886
[SPEAKER_01]: I had Ania initially and then throughout our discussion of Willow, I put Willow probably a smidge before Ania.

01:20:49.346 --> 01:20:50.287
[SPEAKER_01]: Only because of the growth.

01:20:50.527 --> 01:20:57.210
[SPEAKER_01]: I went again like seeing Ania throughout the season was a lot of fun, but we're saying like, who had the best season, who had the most growth?

01:20:57.890 --> 01:20:59.811
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's obviously it's Willow.

01:21:00.372 --> 01:21:00.512
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:21:01.432 --> 01:21:03.454
[SPEAKER_00]: As for LVPs, I put Adam.

01:21:03.714 --> 01:21:04.654
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think cheap.

01:21:04.955 --> 01:21:05.655
[SPEAKER_00]: Very cheap.

01:21:07.256 --> 01:21:18.885
[SPEAKER_00]: I personally feel, I mean, that professor, well, she's like both, like I feel like the villain narrative was a big LVP for me because it didn't feel super satisfying.

01:21:19.265 --> 01:21:27.371
[SPEAKER_00]: If I was picking a different character, like a more central character, I would honestly pick Riley because I think he's so boring.

01:21:27.791 --> 01:21:29.212
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think he's so boring.

01:21:29.332 --> 01:21:30.433
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I make me

01:21:30.753 --> 01:21:36.336
[SPEAKER_01]: feel something really, you know, and then I do feel something and never mind.

01:21:36.356 --> 01:21:37.177
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:21:37.617 --> 01:21:37.877
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:21:38.458 --> 01:21:38.718
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:21:39.018 --> 01:21:40.099
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably shouldn't say.

01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:40.539
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:21:40.599 --> 01:21:42.020
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.

01:21:42.120 --> 01:21:44.261
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's fine.

01:21:44.561 --> 01:21:47.903
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a child's here because like, what did he even do?

01:21:48.604 --> 01:21:50.425
[SPEAKER_01]: He made me laugh a couple times.

01:21:50.465 --> 01:21:56.809
[SPEAKER_01]: He played a pretty song on the guitar, but he's not my shining star of the season.

01:21:56.829 --> 01:21:57.749
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

01:21:58.730 --> 01:21:58.910
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:21:59.977 --> 01:22:01.819
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he needed me in more to do.

01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:04.221
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, least favorite episodes.

01:22:04.581 --> 01:22:08.165
[SPEAKER_00]: I put beer bad because it's truly heinous and I hated it.

01:22:08.525 --> 01:22:14.170
[SPEAKER_00]: It was hands and I put any episode that I'm just.

01:22:14.450 --> 01:22:15.611
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to rewatch those episodes.

01:22:16.452 --> 01:22:17.433
[SPEAKER_00]: You Parker.

01:22:17.453 --> 01:22:17.873
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:22:18.353 --> 01:22:18.934
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay.

01:22:18.974 --> 01:22:22.236
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I mentioned beer bad, but like honestly it wasn't even that bad.

01:22:22.256 --> 01:22:23.276
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna take that off.

01:22:23.376 --> 01:22:27.879
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said like I had a harder time with restless, but it's definitely not a bad episode.

01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:32.182
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say my least favorite episode is superstar.

01:22:32.502 --> 01:22:39.046
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's because like it was experimental, but not in an interesting way, like Hush and restless was.

01:22:40.427 --> 01:22:42.008
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what are we doing here?

01:22:42.148 --> 01:22:43.389
[SPEAKER_01]: Like why are we doing this?

01:22:45.610 --> 01:22:46.871
[SPEAKER_00]: It was confusing.

01:22:47.791 --> 01:22:54.074
[SPEAKER_01]: I really don't think that like it was I didn't like I didn't really like it.

01:22:54.194 --> 01:22:55.074
[SPEAKER_01]: I got me honest with you.

01:22:55.414 --> 01:22:57.075
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I really liked that much.

01:22:57.355 --> 01:23:02.517
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think like if I'm just going to put one and I'm going to just say superstar that's it.

01:23:02.878 --> 01:23:03.038
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:23:04.444 --> 01:23:06.146
[SPEAKER_00]: on to our favorite episodes.

01:23:06.246 --> 01:23:07.407
[SPEAKER_00]: I've listed quite a number.

01:23:07.467 --> 01:23:09.369
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how much I love this freaking season.

01:23:10.290 --> 01:23:14.934
[SPEAKER_00]: Hush being a really good one in terms of experimental stuff as well as restless.

01:23:14.994 --> 01:23:18.077
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought both of those were so interesting and different.

01:23:19.038 --> 01:23:23.061
[SPEAKER_00]: I also have living conditions because Kathy is a freaking queen.

01:23:23.142 --> 01:23:24.163
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so fun.

01:23:24.223 --> 01:23:26.064
[SPEAKER_00]: I have that episode.

01:23:26.164 --> 01:23:29.067
[SPEAKER_00]: I also put who are you, which is the freaky Friday with faith.

01:23:29.187 --> 01:23:29.708
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought like

01:23:30.248 --> 01:23:33.649
[SPEAKER_00]: That was just interesting and fun in different episode.

01:23:33.669 --> 01:23:42.612
[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot about that one a little bit and then I also had something blue which now I need to Google which one that is because I'm not remembering.

01:23:42.692 --> 01:23:48.314
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one where it was like Willow is doing the spells and she was just like

01:23:51.455 --> 01:23:53.617
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but one mostly because it cracked me up truly.

01:23:53.657 --> 01:23:55.018
[SPEAKER_00]: That was why I would like.

01:23:55.118 --> 01:24:00.163
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it cracked me up, but also there is one on your list that I did consider adding to mine.

01:24:00.463 --> 01:24:00.723
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:24:01.224 --> 01:24:02.705
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we're the wild things are.

01:24:02.725 --> 01:24:05.508
[SPEAKER_00]: I. Yeah, I got it out of the house.

01:24:05.548 --> 01:24:07.529
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was stupidly on him.

01:24:07.630 --> 01:24:12.094
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very unhinged and that makes it a very fun episode to talk about.

01:24:12.434 --> 01:24:14.436
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's about casting people.

01:24:14.976 --> 01:24:21.626
[SPEAKER_01]: very well, might be the only people that have put that as a favorite episode in history, but yeah, people hate it.

01:24:21.806 --> 01:24:22.607
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of fun.

01:24:22.788 --> 01:24:24.410
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have I do have that.

01:24:24.430 --> 01:24:28.937
[SPEAKER_01]: I do have primeval, prime, prime, prime, prime problem.

01:24:28.977 --> 01:24:29.798
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets primeval, but

01:24:29.938 --> 01:24:32.040
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really who knows her cares, Prima.

01:24:32.120 --> 01:24:32.540
[SPEAKER_01]: I have that.

01:24:32.700 --> 01:24:33.841
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just really well done.

01:24:33.922 --> 01:24:38.385
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it really elevated Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a show.

01:24:38.405 --> 01:24:41.969
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like really powerful, really cool.

01:24:43.030 --> 01:24:44.391
[SPEAKER_01]: I have something blue as well.

01:24:44.691 --> 01:24:49.715
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I have the freshman just because it's an establishment of like establishing

01:24:50.776 --> 01:24:56.259
[SPEAKER_01]: episode of like our new era of college years, which is it was really cool.

01:24:56.319 --> 01:24:58.020
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like fun to transition to it.

01:24:58.320 --> 01:25:04.524
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought like the college vampires were like kind of cool.

01:25:04.584 --> 01:25:05.044
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember it.

01:25:05.144 --> 01:25:07.406
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so sad when they killed her all.

01:25:07.566 --> 01:25:08.766
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like she's so cool.

01:25:08.866 --> 01:25:11.668
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she's like really like interesting.

01:25:11.748 --> 01:25:14.530
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like putting theories in my head like oh, is she like

01:25:15.370 --> 01:25:18.391
[SPEAKER_01]: spikes vampire child because like they both have platinum hair.

01:25:18.411 --> 01:25:20.931
[SPEAKER_01]: I just like really like that episode.

01:25:21.051 --> 01:25:26.713
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and I mean, I could really, of course, Hush is like awesome.

01:25:26.893 --> 01:25:30.414
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that a lot of the episodes were really, really good.

01:25:30.434 --> 01:25:35.855
[SPEAKER_01]: So I really don't have a lot to say about bad episodes.

01:25:35.875 --> 01:25:42.417
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that they're all, yeah, I would literally watch this entire season again and enjoy every sale moment of it.

01:25:43.945 --> 01:25:44.945
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's superstar.

01:25:44.965 --> 01:25:45.906
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll try to skip that one.

01:25:46.046 --> 01:25:53.148
[SPEAKER_00]: I would skip beer bed, but truly like beyond beer bed, like even the Parker episodes, there was stuff I liked in those episodes.

01:25:53.209 --> 01:25:55.549
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I just Parker's fucking irritated me.

01:25:57.070 --> 01:26:04.293
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about those predictions that we made way back in our season three wrap up about what we thought would happen in this season.

01:26:04.953 --> 01:26:07.874
[SPEAKER_00]: Sarah, you made the predictions as follows.

01:26:08.234 --> 01:26:12.396
[SPEAKER_00]: All Scoobies or Sunnydale University somehow including Zander.

01:26:13.216 --> 01:26:20.258
[SPEAKER_00]: You thought, Oz was going to be studying music, buffy cop stuff, courty fashion, zander communications, and willow education or computers.

01:26:20.939 --> 01:26:33.783
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, we got confirmation on any like majors, which I guess I should have assumed because freshman year you generally aren't declaring a major, but yeah, and zander also wasn't there, Oz left.

01:26:34.223 --> 01:26:35.824
[SPEAKER_00]: They took some colleges.

01:26:35.884 --> 01:26:37.504
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like a bad prediction.

01:26:37.524 --> 01:26:39.005
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:26:39.165 --> 01:26:41.646
[SPEAKER_00]: Giles is a professor in Wesley is his TA.

01:26:42.927 --> 01:26:43.787
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that was funny though.

01:26:44.087 --> 01:26:45.208
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:26:45.348 --> 01:26:49.851
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorority or fraternity episode, Zander joins a frat if he's in the school.

01:26:50.372 --> 01:26:51.513
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not really.

01:26:51.533 --> 01:26:55.015
[SPEAKER_00]: The initiative is kind of like the has the fraternity house, right?

01:26:55.035 --> 01:26:55.575
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:26:56.696 --> 01:26:57.577
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.

01:26:57.597 --> 01:27:01.079
[SPEAKER_00]: Willow break up because Oz is holding on to old stuff.

01:27:02.220 --> 01:27:02.780
[SPEAKER_00]: Not really.

01:27:02.940 --> 01:27:03.601
[SPEAKER_00]: They do break up.

01:27:03.961 --> 01:27:04.121
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:27:04.161 --> 01:27:04.742
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I suck.

01:27:07.536 --> 01:27:10.558
[SPEAKER_00]: If Faith comes back, she's gone by the end of the episode.

01:27:10.638 --> 01:27:11.239
[SPEAKER_00]: That is true.

01:27:11.679 --> 01:27:14.041
[SPEAKER_00]: And Buffy is the one to officially kill her.

01:27:14.061 --> 01:27:15.662
[SPEAKER_00]: I said it's not true.

01:27:16.022 --> 01:27:16.402
[SPEAKER_00]: Not dead.

01:27:16.442 --> 01:27:17.143
[SPEAKER_00]: She's gone.

01:27:17.163 --> 01:27:17.883
[SPEAKER_00]: Not dead.

01:27:18.864 --> 01:27:22.427
[SPEAKER_00]: Cordelia becomes an old pair in Switzerland and leaves Sunnydale.

01:27:22.487 --> 01:27:25.128
[SPEAKER_00]: She does leave Sunnydale, but just for LA, which is a couple hours away.

01:27:26.690 --> 01:27:29.512
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a new BF for Buffy and he's a supernatural.

01:27:30.472 --> 01:27:31.592
[SPEAKER_00]: No, honey.

01:27:31.612 --> 01:27:32.733
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, chip.

01:27:32.793 --> 01:27:34.273
[SPEAKER_00]: He has a chip.

01:27:34.353 --> 01:27:40.175
[SPEAKER_00]: Willow harnesses her powers and become super powerful, but still can't bring any of the rat back.

01:27:40.315 --> 01:27:41.976
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems to be true.

01:27:42.456 --> 01:27:43.837
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't bring in you about the rat back.

01:27:43.877 --> 01:27:44.117
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:27:44.157 --> 01:27:44.477
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough.

01:27:44.737 --> 01:27:47.698
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not my best prediction season, but that's okay.

01:27:48.098 --> 01:27:49.758
[SPEAKER_00]: There's always next season with you winner.

01:27:50.019 --> 01:27:52.239
[SPEAKER_00]: And also you meet like three times where predictions.

01:27:52.299 --> 01:27:54.220
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so many I was vibing.

01:27:54.320 --> 01:27:56.380
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, yeah, you can't stop me.

01:27:56.400 --> 01:28:01.942
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you were on, but we'll let's see if any of them are even correct is the thing because they probably are.

01:28:02.042 --> 01:28:08.104
[SPEAKER_01]: I also remember having to reorganize this because it was infuriating how you organize these predictions.

01:28:08.144 --> 01:28:09.504
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really astray with

01:28:10.164 --> 01:28:14.187
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because sometimes I have ADHD, I just just blur it out on my face.

01:28:14.247 --> 01:28:16.908
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so blur it out all of your predictions.

01:28:16.989 --> 01:28:17.529
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:28:17.589 --> 01:28:22.252
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to say like just by the amount of them you're probably wrong.

01:28:22.512 --> 01:28:23.953
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're probably going to nail them more so.

01:28:25.078 --> 01:28:27.220
[SPEAKER_00]: Zander and Cordelia have reconnected over the summer.

01:28:27.240 --> 01:28:28.842
[SPEAKER_00]: That definitely didn't happen.

01:28:28.962 --> 01:28:31.084
[SPEAKER_00]: We need a new love interest for Buffy in the premiere.

01:28:31.284 --> 01:28:32.225
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, did happen.

01:28:32.245 --> 01:28:34.207
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's Buffy fights a news?

01:28:34.847 --> 01:28:35.929
[SPEAKER_01]: I get over the news.

01:28:36.389 --> 01:28:38.391
[SPEAKER_00]: A random character dies in a giant.

01:28:39.432 --> 01:28:40.173
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to get.

01:28:40.833 --> 01:28:41.774
[SPEAKER_01]: Over there too.

01:28:41.994 --> 01:28:42.775
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll have to.

01:28:42.975 --> 01:28:44.616
[SPEAKER_00]: Faith is the big bad of the season.

01:28:44.956 --> 01:28:45.277
[SPEAKER_00]: No.

01:28:45.777 --> 01:28:49.340
[SPEAKER_00]: Buffie tries, but it's unable to turn faith to the good side and faith dies.

01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:50.981
[SPEAKER_00]: I have correct.

01:28:51.742 --> 01:28:53.823
[SPEAKER_00]: Buffie drastically changes her hair.

01:28:53.843 --> 01:28:58.787
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was a lot blonder in the premiere, but she, I mean, is Willow is the one who drastically changes her hair.

01:28:59.548 --> 01:29:03.131
[SPEAKER_00]: Willow surprisingly joins a sorority, gets in over Cordelia, making Cordelia mad.

01:29:03.211 --> 01:29:04.512
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been funny.

01:29:04.832 --> 01:29:05.312
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

01:29:05.332 --> 01:29:06.653
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been really good.

01:29:07.753 --> 01:29:09.193
[SPEAKER_00]: Was ends this season.

01:29:09.373 --> 01:29:09.693
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

01:29:09.833 --> 01:29:10.714
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sad about it, too.

01:29:10.934 --> 01:29:11.134
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

01:29:11.154 --> 01:29:11.854
[SPEAKER_00]: That's accurate.

01:29:12.654 --> 01:29:13.995
[SPEAKER_00]: Giles and Joyce fuck again.

01:29:14.015 --> 01:29:16.916
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but they didn't make eyes at each other in the last episode.

01:29:17.996 --> 01:29:19.916
[SPEAKER_00]: Ripper back story, please, for the love of God.

01:29:20.036 --> 01:29:21.197
[SPEAKER_00]: Ethan returns for an episode.

01:29:21.337 --> 01:29:21.957
[SPEAKER_00]: That happened.

01:29:23.978 --> 01:29:24.318
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

01:29:24.938 --> 01:29:25.578
[SPEAKER_00]: Ethan came back?

01:29:25.818 --> 01:29:26.058
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:29:26.078 --> 01:29:26.318
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:29:26.438 --> 01:29:26.718
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:29:26.838 --> 01:29:27.099
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:28.019
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that happened.

01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:28.219
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:29:29.151 --> 01:29:30.472
[SPEAKER_00]: Wesley and Giles are roommates.

01:29:30.672 --> 01:29:33.534
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Giles is the College of Library and Wesley is a professor.

01:29:34.734 --> 01:29:37.496
[SPEAKER_01]: We really didn't realize that Wesley was going to spin off.

01:29:37.716 --> 01:29:38.516
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I had no idea.

01:29:38.536 --> 01:29:41.338
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that he caught the ship to Angelant.

01:29:42.038 --> 01:29:43.239
[SPEAKER_00]: He took like even to the docks.

01:29:44.439 --> 01:29:46.260
[SPEAKER_00]: Willow gets gas glasses briefly.

01:29:46.280 --> 01:29:47.081
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?

01:29:47.101 --> 01:29:47.861
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:29:47.921 --> 01:29:48.902
[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought you wanted to.

01:29:49.442 --> 01:29:50.042
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the pull?

01:29:50.102 --> 01:29:50.863
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, whatever.

01:29:51.183 --> 01:29:54.204
[SPEAKER_00]: Willow finally fixes her at Amy and fortunately still know.

01:29:54.664 --> 01:29:55.644
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my best prediction.

01:29:55.824 --> 01:29:59.546
[SPEAKER_00]: Oz finds a wearable friend and maybe it's a girl and he eventually dates post willow.

01:29:59.666 --> 01:30:01.947
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, kind of pretty fun.

01:30:01.987 --> 01:30:04.007
[SPEAKER_00]: And then date, but they fucked twice.

01:30:04.107 --> 01:30:08.169
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, uh, Cory is still a poor and has to hang out with the Scoobies.

01:30:08.209 --> 01:30:09.649
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she is a poor and age.

01:30:09.730 --> 01:30:10.450
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a poor.

01:30:11.710 --> 01:30:13.491
[SPEAKER_00]: But she has it's sick apartment.

01:30:13.832 --> 01:30:14.512
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:30:14.572 --> 01:30:15.433
[SPEAKER_00]: Willow smokes weed.

01:30:15.733 --> 01:30:16.473
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it didn't happen.

01:30:17.334 --> 01:30:19.795
[SPEAKER_00]: Wesley and Giles have joint custody of Bobby.

01:30:20.976 --> 01:30:23.378
[SPEAKER_00]: Sandra gets a job as a postman or a cop.

01:30:23.458 --> 01:30:25.039
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, I don't think either of those jobs.

01:30:25.259 --> 01:30:25.539
[SPEAKER_00]: No.

01:30:25.779 --> 01:30:27.920
[SPEAKER_00]: And you could have guessed so many jobs.

01:30:27.980 --> 01:30:32.623
[SPEAKER_01]: I should have guessed ice cream and you guessed the two that didn't know.

01:30:33.284 --> 01:30:37.246
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were like, oh, yeah, like he gets a job as like a barista.

01:30:37.526 --> 01:30:38.847
[SPEAKER_01]: What have nailed it, you know?

01:30:38.867 --> 01:30:40.108
[SPEAKER_00]: No, unfortunately not.

01:30:40.728 --> 01:30:43.410
[SPEAKER_00]: Onya shows up at college and fucks eyes.

01:30:43.470 --> 01:30:44.411
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

01:30:44.471 --> 01:30:46.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you guess that?

01:30:46.633 --> 01:30:48.094
[SPEAKER_00]: I was right that she showed up.

01:30:49.255 --> 01:30:52.057
[SPEAKER_00]: Buffy has a red kryptonite moment and fucks spike.

01:30:52.617 --> 01:30:52.757
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:30:52.877 --> 01:30:55.760
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole like Mary and me spike thing is similar to that.

01:30:56.180 --> 01:30:56.580
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

01:30:56.940 --> 01:30:58.462
[SPEAKER_00]: Fairy's are introduced but they're evil.

01:30:58.562 --> 01:30:59.322
[SPEAKER_00]: That did not happen.

01:30:59.402 --> 01:31:00.343
[SPEAKER_00]: I love fairies.

01:31:00.703 --> 01:31:02.044
[SPEAKER_00]: So those were our predictions.

01:31:02.144 --> 01:31:02.465
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:31:02.545 --> 01:31:03.045
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a couple.

01:31:03.065 --> 01:31:03.926
[SPEAKER_00]: You got a couple.

01:31:04.566 --> 01:31:05.707
[SPEAKER_00]: Mostly we were very wrong.

01:31:05.747 --> 01:31:06.268
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is fun.

01:31:06.508 --> 01:31:07.589
[SPEAKER_00]: I like being wrong about things.

01:31:08.969 --> 01:31:10.190
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:31:10.210 --> 01:31:11.851
[SPEAKER_00]: It is time, baby.

01:31:11.911 --> 01:31:14.413
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready to make your predictions for season?

01:31:14.453 --> 01:31:14.753
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

01:31:15.173 --> 01:31:15.673
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:31:15.834 --> 01:31:17.094
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:31:17.114 --> 01:31:18.055
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:31:18.155 --> 01:31:20.877
[SPEAKER_01]: Giles finally gets a job at the University.

01:31:20.977 --> 01:31:21.637
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank God.

01:31:21.657 --> 01:31:25.880
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the him home into his riperness and become a badass.

01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:28.261
[SPEAKER_01]: He decides that he wants to try and have it all.

01:31:28.721 --> 01:31:31.243
[SPEAKER_01]: And dates and may become serious with somebody.

01:31:31.383 --> 01:31:32.444
[SPEAKER_01]: Olivia or other.

01:31:32.464 --> 01:31:33.064
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:31:33.364 --> 01:31:33.965
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:31:33.985 --> 01:31:39.294
[SPEAKER_01]: The center gets into Sunnydale University and Ania's upset that he's not paying more attention to her.

01:31:40.075 --> 01:31:40.556
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds fair.

01:31:40.896 --> 01:31:46.445
[SPEAKER_01]: Ania and Zander break up and Ania wants to get back into vengeance.

01:31:48.388 --> 01:31:51.449
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I don't think I made any on your predictions.

01:31:51.489 --> 01:31:51.970
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go ahead.

01:31:51.990 --> 01:31:52.990
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make an on your prediction.

01:31:53.310 --> 01:31:54.050
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop copying me.

01:31:54.351 --> 01:31:55.511
[SPEAKER_01]: Willow and Tanya.

01:31:55.611 --> 01:31:55.831
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.

01:31:56.251 --> 01:31:57.372
[SPEAKER_01]: Willow and Tara.

01:31:57.872 --> 01:32:02.014
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys in the relationship and move in with each other.

01:32:02.454 --> 01:32:08.597
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe on your Buffy or Rumi's to mirror Buffy's dream and on your go to school too.

01:32:09.972 --> 01:32:10.852
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, okay.

01:32:12.573 --> 01:32:15.835
[SPEAKER_01]: We find out who Buffy is making her bed four.

01:32:16.775 --> 01:32:19.056
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right, right, right, okay, yes, yes, yes.

01:32:20.116 --> 01:32:24.878
[SPEAKER_01]: Buffy and Riley break up mid-season or before differences in world views.

01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:34.963
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me sad, but he'll probably time for Buffy because she will be more interested in a toxic relationship and wind and cry when it sucks.

01:32:35.792 --> 01:32:37.452
[SPEAKER_01]: Come back to Tara.

01:32:37.553 --> 01:32:39.293
[SPEAKER_01]: See, I need to organize my thoughts as well.

01:32:39.353 --> 01:32:39.733
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:32:39.873 --> 01:32:40.333
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:32:40.353 --> 01:32:41.834
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to use your shits.

01:32:41.894 --> 01:32:47.095
[SPEAKER_01]: Sarah Tara's secret is revealed and it's not as bad as she thinks it is.

01:32:47.775 --> 01:32:53.597
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Willow comes out to her family, question mark, question mark, or maybe we never see her family ever again.

01:32:54.557 --> 01:32:58.642
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, either dark willow or dark buffy because we've been waiting for this.

01:32:59.142 --> 01:33:02.326
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying we are dressing up in all black.

01:33:02.406 --> 01:33:04.088
[SPEAKER_01]: We are dying our hair black.

01:33:04.128 --> 01:33:04.929
[SPEAKER_01]: We are full.

01:33:04.949 --> 01:33:06.170
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:33:06.410 --> 01:33:07.451
[SPEAKER_01]: Please.

01:33:07.591 --> 01:33:09.273
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, full dark move full evil.

01:33:09.293 --> 01:33:09.333
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

01:33:11.175 --> 01:33:16.140
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can see it being Willow and being like very into magic shit.

01:33:16.160 --> 01:33:23.548
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that like the more powerful she gets the more likely she's going to take advantage or like abuse it.

01:33:24.790 --> 01:33:28.533
[SPEAKER_01]: And do me even end the season in college.

01:33:28.694 --> 01:33:31.577
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this will be our last college.

01:33:32.217 --> 01:33:34.378
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting that would be quick.

01:33:35.039 --> 01:33:45.024
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I know I won't be happy about it, but I just feel like I would be very surprised if we have more than two college seasons.

01:33:45.525 --> 01:33:45.745
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:33:45.765 --> 01:33:46.285
[SPEAKER_01]: Very shocked.

01:33:46.806 --> 01:33:47.106
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:33:47.206 --> 01:33:48.446
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's my predictions.

01:33:48.887 --> 01:33:49.227
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:33:49.307 --> 01:33:50.568
[SPEAKER_00]: Here are my predictions.

01:33:50.888 --> 01:33:51.048
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:33:51.168 --> 01:33:54.331
[SPEAKER_00]: Give me an ooze demon fucking get over you.

01:33:54.431 --> 01:33:55.072
[SPEAKER_00]: I will never.

01:33:56.253 --> 01:34:00.638
[SPEAKER_00]: Buffy breaks faith out of jail because she's her only hope against whoever the big bad is.

01:34:00.778 --> 01:34:10.688
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love that by the way to just like really I really was sad that we didn't have like an all encompassing fight with like all hands on deck.

01:34:11.169 --> 01:34:13.992
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it'd be really cool to see

01:34:14.512 --> 01:34:24.777
[SPEAKER_01]: Faith, an angel, and cordy, and Amira, and Oz, and you remember, like, just have everybody come to fight one big bad would be really cool.

01:34:25.317 --> 01:34:25.437
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

01:34:26.398 --> 01:34:28.159
[SPEAKER_00]: Cordy will make an appearance on Buffy.

01:34:28.579 --> 01:34:29.379
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's time.

01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:33.381
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we're seeding Buffy and Spike.

01:34:33.962 --> 01:34:38.624
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they kiss at least once this season.

01:34:39.885 --> 01:34:45.588
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, uh, we're going to do a complete terrorist centric episode where we learn she used to be an evil witch.

01:34:46.188 --> 01:34:46.788
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh.

01:34:47.249 --> 01:34:49.590
[SPEAKER_00]: Please God fix rat Amy.

01:34:50.490 --> 01:34:51.531
[SPEAKER_00]: It's never going to happen.

01:34:51.611 --> 01:34:53.031
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it could happen.

01:34:53.231 --> 01:34:53.571
[SPEAKER_01]: I could.

01:34:53.972 --> 01:34:55.392
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Giles gets a job as a professor.

01:34:55.772 --> 01:34:55.992
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:34:56.653 --> 01:34:59.554
[SPEAKER_00]: Tara and Willow get a third witch in their little witchy crew.

01:35:00.334 --> 01:35:00.635
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:35:01.235 --> 01:35:03.656
[SPEAKER_00]: Zander fucks things up with Ania, but only temporarily.

01:35:04.479 --> 01:35:05.420
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.

01:35:05.921 --> 01:35:09.645
[SPEAKER_00]: Riley gets recruited to some government thing and he leaves within the first three episodes.

01:35:10.065 --> 01:35:10.726
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.

01:35:11.467 --> 01:35:15.171
[SPEAKER_00]: Greek life furshersies, and I'm going to say Buffy is the one who pledges.

01:35:17.193 --> 01:35:19.636
[SPEAKER_00]: Zander starts watch her training, I think.

01:35:20.717 --> 01:35:22.238
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone, Polymorph sent you.

01:35:23.916 --> 01:35:25.597
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where I start to lose it.

01:35:25.737 --> 01:35:26.117
[SPEAKER_00]: Is Ms.

01:35:26.217 --> 01:35:27.638
[SPEAKER_00]: Kitty Keeve?

01:35:28.038 --> 01:35:28.858
[SPEAKER_00]: Fantastico.

01:35:28.898 --> 01:35:30.259
[SPEAKER_00]: The Fantastico.

01:35:30.379 --> 01:35:31.799
[SPEAKER_00]: She's an accolade for her.

01:35:32.260 --> 01:35:32.580
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:35:32.780 --> 01:35:35.281
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm writing that one down because I said that like a couple episodes ago.

01:35:35.381 --> 01:35:35.661
[SPEAKER_00]: Ms.

01:35:36.061 --> 01:35:39.202
[SPEAKER_00]: Kitty, Fantastico, is an anime guess.

01:35:39.303 --> 01:35:40.243
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:35:40.323 --> 01:35:43.544
[SPEAKER_00]: The Big Bad is someone's spike has a history one.

01:35:44.004 --> 01:35:49.907
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're a vampire, but I do think they are sort of like immortal, so like maybe we'll finally get fairies here.

01:35:52.355 --> 01:35:57.278
[SPEAKER_00]: Onya and Spike kiss very briefly, but Onya says Zander is a better kisser so she doesn't.

01:35:57.298 --> 01:36:09.304
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't understand is why half of your predictions, the season and last is Onya kissing somebody that's not Zander when Onya is obsessed with Zander and is only showed interest in Zander.

01:36:09.424 --> 01:36:13.826
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think this is going to happen as a result of Zander fucking things up with her temporarily.

01:36:14.926 --> 01:36:15.146
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

01:36:15.507 --> 01:36:16.267
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:36:16.507 --> 01:36:18.028
[SPEAKER_00]: Zander family backstory episode.

01:36:19.353 --> 01:36:24.857
[SPEAKER_00]: I also think because we've had some interesting episodes like hush, right where everyone's there's no speaking.

01:36:25.297 --> 01:36:26.998
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say they do an animated episode.

01:36:27.318 --> 01:36:29.700
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way they do it is that everyone accidentally gets high.

01:36:30.941 --> 01:36:31.761
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

01:36:32.542 --> 01:36:34.143
[SPEAKER_00]: And then my last prediction which I already said is Ms.

01:36:34.443 --> 01:36:36.224
[SPEAKER_00]: Kenny Fantastico is an anime guest.

01:36:38.111 --> 01:36:39.412
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really excited about this.

01:36:39.792 --> 01:36:46.715
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait because this means that as soon as we're done, I can watch the next episode or at the very least, very soon.

01:36:46.855 --> 01:36:50.536
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been a while since we've watched an episode of Buffet of Empire Slayer.

01:36:50.616 --> 01:36:58.579
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been like, maybe it's been like a least two or three weeks since we've watched two and a half weeks since we've watched a new episode.

01:36:58.960 --> 01:36:59.240
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:05.822
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're also getting back to Angel, which we don't really need to talk that much about it because our thoughts are well established.

01:37:05.882 --> 01:37:06.783
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm nothing to say.

01:37:07.329 --> 01:37:09.931
[SPEAKER_00]: It was boring, okay, and hopefully season two is better.

01:37:10.051 --> 01:37:11.632
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.

01:37:11.932 --> 01:37:15.635
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna be watching it alongside season five, so nobody panic.

01:37:16.035 --> 01:37:17.176
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.

01:37:17.836 --> 01:37:18.577
[SPEAKER_00]: It's panicking.

01:37:18.597 --> 01:37:23.420
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, people really like Angel, but we'll see what the crossover situation is like.

01:37:24.080 --> 01:37:27.523
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm really excited, because next week we get to watch a buffy versus Dracula.

01:37:27.543 --> 01:37:29.184
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Dracula.

01:37:29.384 --> 01:37:33.447
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Angel's judgment, we did get, I have two pieces of feedback to go through.

01:37:34.968 --> 01:37:43.734
[SPEAKER_00]: We got a comment from BritMC on YouTube, who says, ladies, I can't believe you're already done with season four.

01:37:43.814 --> 01:37:46.315
[SPEAKER_00]: I was waiting anxiously for the season and now it's gone.

01:37:46.736 --> 01:37:49.037
[SPEAKER_00]: Restless is my favorite, as I said before.

01:37:49.518 --> 01:37:50.979
[SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, I had to comment on this one.

01:37:51.059 --> 01:37:51.919
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's my feedback.

01:37:52.059 --> 01:37:54.981
[SPEAKER_00]: You both are very astute for first watch through this episode.

01:37:55.402 --> 01:38:01.246
[SPEAKER_00]: I highly believe you'll appreciate restless even more after watching the entire series and going back for a rewatch.

01:38:02.006 --> 01:38:02.907
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, no spoiler.

01:38:03.027 --> 01:38:07.591
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope, but just remember, Buffy has prophetic dreams, which we have seen in the past with the plate.

01:38:07.611 --> 01:38:08.632
[SPEAKER_00]: She was dropping plates and stuff.

01:38:09.292 --> 01:38:12.755
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I loved your theory about Tara the writing on her back is Greek.

01:38:13.195 --> 01:38:13.656
[SPEAKER_00]: I've read.

01:38:13.676 --> 01:38:15.537
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the old to Aphrodite.

01:38:15.557 --> 01:38:17.599
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, my favorite dream is.

01:38:17.759 --> 01:38:22.441
[SPEAKER_00]: probably Giles, even though it was the shortest and don't worry, season two of Angel is better.

01:38:22.601 --> 01:38:26.843
[SPEAKER_00]: And season five is the best season of Angel in my opinion.

01:38:27.344 --> 01:38:29.085
[SPEAKER_00]: Season five of Buffy is amazing as well.

01:38:29.405 --> 01:38:31.045
[SPEAKER_00]: And so different from season four.

01:38:31.066 --> 01:38:31.146
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:38:32.626 --> 01:38:36.368
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, Sarah, did you watch episode one?

01:38:36.388 --> 01:38:38.689
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause you nailed some of the dialogue, LOL.

01:38:38.789 --> 01:38:39.570
[SPEAKER_00]: If you know, you know.

01:38:40.330 --> 01:38:43.613
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for a great podcast episode one of I think buffie.

01:38:43.653 --> 01:38:45.315
[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe season five of buffie maybe.

01:38:45.335 --> 01:38:46.416
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:38:46.436 --> 01:38:48.838
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you made a joke of like you were doing voices who knows.

01:38:50.599 --> 01:38:55.784
[SPEAKER_00]: We also got an email from Andrew who is catching up late if you all were a woman there.

01:38:56.765 --> 01:39:00.648
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently I mentioned in the podcast for pains that I know nothing about Iowa.

01:39:01.549 --> 01:39:03.592
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and as a lifelong Iowin.

01:39:04.053 --> 01:39:07.017
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sacred and legal obligation to rectify that.

01:39:07.177 --> 01:39:08.759
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's some fun facts about Iowa.

01:39:08.839 --> 01:39:09.740
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is so fun.

01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:10.281
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:39:11.282 --> 01:39:13.966
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, Iowa farmers grow more than just corn.

01:39:14.066 --> 01:39:15.588
[SPEAKER_00]: They also grow soybeans.

01:39:16.529 --> 01:39:17.491
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, I, okay.

01:39:17.531 --> 01:39:17.871
[SPEAKER_01]: So like,

01:39:18.712 --> 01:39:24.939
[SPEAKER_01]: I know because I'm such a midwestern girly that soybeans and corn are like really good friends.

01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:27.882
[SPEAKER_01]: They like always grow next to each other or how nice.

01:39:28.382 --> 01:39:38.592
[SPEAKER_01]: And then typically they're there's plots of four plots of four at like a square and then it's like soybeans and then corn and then a blank space and then like maybe more

01:39:39.593 --> 01:39:42.134
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, and then you rotate it every year.

01:39:42.494 --> 01:39:46.034
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like an Indiana special, but I'm sure it's an Iowa thing too.

01:39:46.254 --> 01:39:47.195
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're good friends.

01:39:47.215 --> 01:39:48.435
[SPEAKER_01]: They help each other's soil.

01:39:48.795 --> 01:39:52.296
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like tomatoes and, um, and Magnolia's.

01:39:53.216 --> 01:39:53.496
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:39:54.856 --> 01:39:56.196
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, continuing on.

01:39:56.336 --> 01:40:00.557
[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, the Oscar nominated Kevin Costner film Field of Dreams was set in Iowa.

01:40:00.917 --> 01:40:03.858
[SPEAKER_00]: It was partially filmed in Minnesota, but we try not to think about that.

01:40:04.682 --> 01:40:08.823
[SPEAKER_00]: Number three, Herbert Hoover, the thirty first president of the United States was born in Iowa.

01:40:08.863 --> 01:40:14.125
[SPEAKER_00]: He used to be in contentured for being the worst president ever given that his disastrous tear of policy.

01:40:14.205 --> 01:40:19.006
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God, tear of policies were largely blamed for if not causing the Great Depression at least exacerbated.

01:40:19.086 --> 01:40:22.907
[SPEAKER_00]: Good news though, I think it's safe to say it's no good intention.

01:40:23.267 --> 01:40:25.488
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm laughing because if I wasn't laughing, I'd be crying.

01:40:25.548 --> 01:40:25.828
[SPEAKER_00]: You know,

01:40:26.888 --> 01:40:33.791
[SPEAKER_01]: I, my job is so the amount times that I hear the word tariffs at my job.

01:40:34.011 --> 01:40:34.992
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even imagine.

01:40:35.372 --> 01:40:36.272
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my god.

01:40:36.692 --> 01:40:37.653
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it hurts me.

01:40:37.733 --> 01:40:40.414
[SPEAKER_01]: Brain tariffs tariffs terrible.

01:40:40.834 --> 01:40:45.076
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, by the way, it's, it's not my millions of miracles.

01:40:45.136 --> 01:40:45.656
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a spoke.

01:40:45.876 --> 01:40:46.337
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

01:40:46.417 --> 01:40:46.637
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:40:47.778 --> 01:40:53.223
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, number four, our neighbors to the north, Minnesota may have the twin cities of Minneapolis and St.

01:40:53.264 --> 01:41:03.474
[SPEAKER_00]: Paul, but Iowa decided to one up Minnesota and have the Quad cities of Davenport, Betten, Dorf, Rock Island, and Moline.

01:41:03.875 --> 01:41:05.737
[SPEAKER_00]: I apologize if I did not pronounce those correctly.

01:41:05.837 --> 01:41:08.199
[SPEAKER_00]: Andrew, I've never heard of any of those.

01:41:09.438 --> 01:41:14.185
[SPEAKER_00]: Two of those cities are technically an Illinois, but if I hadn't said that, would you have ever known?

01:41:14.366 --> 01:41:15.167
[SPEAKER_00]: No, okay.

01:41:15.247 --> 01:41:17.811
[SPEAKER_00]: That was definitely fake.

01:41:18.152 --> 01:41:19.053
[SPEAKER_00]: That was fake.

01:41:19.854 --> 01:41:22.478
[SPEAKER_00]: Number five, Iowa is not Idaho.

01:41:24.162 --> 01:41:24.943
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.

01:41:25.643 --> 01:41:31.228
[SPEAKER_00]: Number six, contrary to Jessica's guests during the podcast, there is no Iowa University.

01:41:31.348 --> 01:41:36.673
[SPEAKER_00]: There's the University of Iowa, home of the Hawkeyes, and Iowa State University, home of the Cyclones.

01:41:37.053 --> 01:41:42.819
[SPEAKER_00]: Their collegiate rivalry constantly threatens to drag the entire state into bloody civil war.

01:41:43.539 --> 01:41:47.523
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this very much sounds like Indiana, but continue.

01:41:48.622 --> 01:41:57.050
[SPEAKER_00]: Number seven, Iowa is the only state to be bordered by rivers along the east and west side, those being the Mississippi and Missouri rivers respectively.

01:41:57.491 --> 01:42:04.878
[SPEAKER_00]: Number eight, Captain James T. Kirk of the USS Enterprise is from Riverside, Iowa, and they hold a big Star Trek festival every year.

01:42:05.218 --> 01:42:05.919
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.

01:42:05.939 --> 01:42:09.382
[SPEAKER_00]: Number nine, John Wayne Gacy lived in Iowa for a while.

01:42:10.062 --> 01:42:14.306
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't know if you want to click on how nice.

01:42:14.666 --> 01:42:16.187
[SPEAKER_00]: The capital of Iowa is Des Moines.

01:42:16.487 --> 01:42:17.868
[SPEAKER_00]: Both S's are silent.

01:42:17.988 --> 01:42:20.670
[SPEAKER_00]: If you pronounce either while within Iowa's borders, you will be shot.

01:42:21.651 --> 01:42:21.851
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:42:22.292 --> 01:42:22.432
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:42:22.672 --> 01:42:23.152
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

01:42:23.513 --> 01:42:27.756
[SPEAKER_00]: Number eleven, Riley Finz, home town of Huxley, Iowa is a real town.

01:42:27.876 --> 01:42:30.618
[SPEAKER_00]: As far as I can tell, there's absolutely nothing of interest there.

01:42:30.918 --> 01:42:34.581
[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems to be a fitting place to respond directly.

01:42:37.094 --> 01:42:37.975
[SPEAKER_01]: for Riley.

01:42:38.836 --> 01:42:41.419
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just trying to be a Michael boy.

01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:44.643
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just trying to do good.

01:42:44.663 --> 01:42:49.748
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you both now feel fully educated on the great state of Iowa.

01:42:49.969 --> 01:42:51.130
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I loved that.

01:42:51.150 --> 01:42:53.132
[SPEAKER_00]: I love fun fact.

01:42:53.353 --> 01:42:54.254
[SPEAKER_00]: I love fun fact.

01:42:57.517 --> 01:42:58.757
[SPEAKER_00]: And credible.

01:42:59.358 --> 01:43:00.698
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that's all the feedback we have.

01:43:00.978 --> 01:43:03.399
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we have to talk about for Buffy season four.

01:43:03.859 --> 01:43:07.000
[SPEAKER_00]: Next time you hear our voices as a reminder, we'll not be next week.

01:43:07.020 --> 01:43:12.042
[SPEAKER_00]: It will be two weeks from now where you will hear us talk about the season five premiere of Buffy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love, uh, premiere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to see the new hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If people have had a glow up, if Giles got a job, uh, if if Zander and Onya are still together, if Riley didn't get sent back to Iowa, I

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what are your big birthday plans, Jessica?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I am going to be at my parents camp for my birthday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm my vibe in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be hanging out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a bee having good eats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some good ass bacon for breakfast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in my thirties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a low key girly for my birthday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I couldn't be more pumped for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you season to all who celebrate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ha, ha, Bilias is a just everyone should celebrate because your Leo friends will never let you forget it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I would celebrate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I fear it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You should.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the right thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we, we are going to some safe times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of Virgo's season and Virgo's season is a very low-key season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Virgo's going back to school, you know, and Virgo's week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, anything else, Jessica?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll be back in two weeks to talk about the season five for me or of Buffy until then everyone here and if the lesson.