Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 4 Episode 18 - Where the Wild Things Are

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just be how never ended with those, how you need as a door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Searching for something to put a smile back on your face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just remembering unusual times that can come from an unusual place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need a partner for a ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word now be there Just ask

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's twenty twenty That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's nineteen nineteen Isn't need to pretend I got a hand I can land Who's like you really need a friend Just ask

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shit, ninety shows dot me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shit, ninety shows taught me was not filmed before live studio audience.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Are you ready to slay another day?

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[SPEAKER_05]: So are we.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome back to Shit, ninety shows taught me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just darling, here with my co-host, Sarah Humphrey.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sarah, how are you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Jasmine doing really good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm ready to have some fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Are you having fun?

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[SPEAKER_05]: listen.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If you, I just need to put out a disclaimer, I think at the top of this podcast here, Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, if you were not a fan of this episode of Buffy season four episode eighteen where the wild things are.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, if you, in fact, hate this episode and don't like when people like this episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This might not be the podcast for you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because last podcast Sarah, we talked about with AJ, AJ was here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We love AJ.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He was telling you, Sarah, I think you're going to like this episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And we all were like, oh, ha ha, like it's a joke, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then you're like a ruffy fan.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Ruffy stands unite.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then you watched this episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I didn't know your thoughts on it before I watched it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I watched this episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like,

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is literally an episode tailor made for Sarah has everything you enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, when you're main personality tree is horny and there's a plus college.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Horne, plus his frab party.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was an episode pretty much made for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was fully coming on, you know, last week, I was like, okay, you know, we'll go fish this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Not that I'm saying that I didn't love go fish.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty much the best episode of all time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I was like, let's go fish it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If everybody hates it, then my inclination is to go the opposite way and stand it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I gotta tell you, I don't even have to do that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like fully coming on to like, oh, I'll bullshit my way through or we'll just like stand this episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Ironically, no, like I truly enjoyed this episode a lot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was so funny.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that there was so many like

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[SPEAKER_04]: funny or like silly beats that I really enjoyed I was like low key this is a really good episode and I once again do not understand why people have a stick up their ass about season four of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: everything that you throw at me every single thing I come back and say yes and what else you got for me I want more just like how Riley and Buffy wanted more sex raw hard sex yeah yeah so that's my feelings I'm so fun me too woohoo

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[SPEAKER_05]: We all been new.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The minute I finished the episode, I was like literally, this is the episode for Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She loves this episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Where I land on it is like, is it dumb?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, definitely it's dumb.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Is it also really fun?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it is hilariously dumb.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I enjoyed myself watching this episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I would not say that about every single episode we've watched.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like they're it's better in my opinion to feel something than to feel nothing or to feel like so, so, so, so, so negatively.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like the pack can jump off a cliff somewhere, you know?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Be your bad?

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[SPEAKER_05]: go to hell and never come back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to put beer bad like quite in the same vein as the pack because your bad was stupid, but it wasn't unwatchable.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Where the past is like, we were like offended.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like you and I both, well, I tolerate slash like animals you love animals.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And like we couldn't handle the pack.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That pig lives rent free in my mind.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Where are I pee the pig?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there was like some bug-ass episode fucking hate bugs.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they were watching a lot of the eggs.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, watch for your bad again.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was stupid.

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[SPEAKER_05]: See, I would put, I would put beer bad in that like bottom tier, but I think this episode is different because I do think when people are like, ooh, that episode sucks.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's the sex house episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like sure.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's the sex house episode, but like

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[SPEAKER_05]: Number one, we still have good content in terms of, um, hello, what did everyone forget about the onion and spike moments because low key, where has this pairing been all my life?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like truly put them in a room together, put them in all this eats together, they're hysterical.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So like, oh, that was a perfect encapsulation of like, people forgot about this and it's really funny.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then if even if that doesn't tickle your fancy, truly, it's so stupid that it's funny.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There are literal vines growing out of a bedroom.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There are people who are touching a wall and orgasming in public at a house part.

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[SPEAKER_05]: How ridiculous and funny is that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think here's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And if you're a serious buffet fan, and I don't mean you love the show buffet.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, if you are a serious person and you love buffet,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe maybe you're not going to like what I have say next.

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[SPEAKER_05]: People are just a little bit too upbeat sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like this is, yes, the show is really good and it's really well-written and it's really well-acted and like there's a lot of fun themes and like cool stuff you can look at.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But it's also

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[SPEAKER_05]: a teen drama right like it's a teen drama and I feel like people sometimes forget that and so we're gonna occasionally have an episode with a sex house and that's that you know and we have to just laugh because it's stupid in its funny yeah I think that it's kind of it's it's fun and I think that there's definitely going to be more

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[SPEAKER_04]: Emmy worthy, I don't know if Beth, he ever won an Emmy, but more like Emmy worthy television shows out there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like there's going to be or not television shows episodes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a high brow episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is a vibe episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right, it's kind of like the old argument of like, is this a film or a movie?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, yes, I feel like people are looking for the equivalent of a film like we're looking for our Shawshank.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're looking for our, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is whatever you believe in Oscar.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like this is an on HBO.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm WB show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking for my clueless.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking for my remedy Michelle's high school reunion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I look for a good time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: However, if you are a person that wants to watch something that's on the Times Warner, whatever, top hundred movies, any other times.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, not New York Times.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're the one doing the Warner Classic movies.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, never mind.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was referring to the, the time recently put out a top one hundred movies of the three.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm thinking of something else.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I like, it's just like, yeah, get it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Not for you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: However, I, I have a really fun time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know what's funny?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You said to me before we started.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like I didn't take that many notes this episode, but I do not need to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't taken notes for an episode of Buffy probably like ever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's like no secret that like sometimes I'm like online shopping while we talk about episodes and I have to have you like carry the shit because I'm like oh, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I really like when they're shopping online.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes I need a little distraction.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't blame me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes I do work during my podcast episodes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a good podcaster.

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[SPEAKER_04]: However, I took notes today, like it was my job because guess what?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a professional, but be the vampire slayer, podcaster, and boom, I took notes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So my first note, yes, please.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I just want to say my first note is, on your knees, her dark hair back, Pronto.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because we, in the, in the previously on, I have forgotten, because like once someone has a haircut for a long enough time, you kind of forget what their old haircut used to look like.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But in the previously on, we get a lot of like older onya, and she, I do agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I, I don't mind the length that her hair is, but I really wish she had the dark hair still.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She needs to get back her dark hair.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That is my main take.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That is my number one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it might not.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I would love to stay on this though because I would love to talk about zander and on your first.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes, because theander has another job.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's my favorite one yet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love this job as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is now the

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[SPEAKER_04]: Crazy thing is that I don't know how in the year, twenty twenty five ice cream men are still running a muck because I got to tell you ice cream men are like a hop skip in a jump away from being a predator.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They are going around.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They got candy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They got ice cream.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They got bubble gum.

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[SPEAKER_04]: How in the fucking world are we still letting ice cream men

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[SPEAKER_05]: from our streets with a little like, do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do

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[SPEAKER_05]: quick enough to run out and get the ice cream man's attention.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This man, he assumes he'd be zoom in.

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[SPEAKER_05]: How are you going to stop him?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, obviously in the nineties times we're different.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I love that Zander is an ice cream man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's wearing what looks to be a Duncan donuts get up.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And this is just incredible.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is an incredible advancement of Zander's career.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, also the amount of stuff that was in Zander's ice cream truck, that was not ice cream was incredibly impressive.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The cotton candy for days.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there was so much candy in there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, what is this?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was very interested.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like freeze framing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, what kind of snacks?

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[SPEAKER_04]: At first I thought it was a candy truck, which by the way, why don't we have candy trucks?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe that's because it's a little predatory, like, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: You want to be a candy?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty fast, but it is.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But like I saw no ice cream, but yeah, I do like Zander's new job.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And my second note was Zander has matured so much in a few years.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, this was, I might, my note because I do sometimes send messages to our little, our little friend group when I'm watching.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I said, I feel like I'm in bizarre world where Zander is telling on you that there's more to a relationship than sex.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I was like, what's happening?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, because, basically, the gist of their argument to this episode is on his upset because they didn't have sex for like two days.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And she's used to get into pound town every single day.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And so she thinks she jumps to the conclusion of, while there's something wrong, we're obviously breaking up because you don't want to have sex with me anymore.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And Zander has to tell her,

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[SPEAKER_04]: girlie pop like he doesn't say that I'm saying that like it's normal like it's normal to not have sex every single day like it's fine calm down yeah on your sense of security is sound a lot like my insecurities like oh my gosh like we're I can't believe we're breaking up because we didn't have sex for one night

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's rough, but also, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, not to get super serious, but when you're a couple that is, it doesn't matter if you're like a one-to-day couple, if you're a one-to-week couple, one-to-month couple, when you stop going into that pattern,

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty sad.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And sometimes you have no, in my opinion, or in my experience, you have nothing to say or like nothing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like you're like, oh, like, is the spark gone?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like are you not into me anymore?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know a very like a person with a secure attachment style, not an anxious attachment style, like me and I guess on you, would say like, hey, like it's just impossible to keep up that thing, especially once you're in a rhythm or comfortable with the person or the excitement is gone.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Zander and Ania obviously, she has no job, which I don't know how she's living like where she's doing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what did she have to?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like she as a demon for thousands of years or hundreds of years got paid for killing all these men, maybe she did, but does she have parents?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we know that she's a human or was a human at one point and then sold her soul like that, um, like we were able to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So at one point, she had parents, but they're long gone, but that's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Where the hell did she live?

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[SPEAKER_04]: What is she up to?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I guess she kind of lives with Zander, and but I don't really know how she makes money unless she has, like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: generational wealth or something from, I don't know, generations ago.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm sure it doesn't really track for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I thought that, um, yeah, I, I, I, I can sympathize with onion feeling this way, especially because he doesn't offer like an explanation, but I guess once again, somebody with like a secure attachment is like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like, just sometimes, like, eventually you just like, you don't want to have or you don't need to have sex every day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The passion or the fair moments flying all over the place dies, not for Buffy and Riley, but I guess in this situation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I really felt bad for Ania.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I hate the thought that like, oh, like, you don't have as much sex because you're just used to each other or it's not new and exciting.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, isn't that depressing?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, no.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is, this is my, let me, let me say it this way.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I enjoyed on you this episode, but her insecurities are made least favorite thing about her because I was actively annoyed when she's like, but we didn't have sex for two days and I'm like, girl, calm down.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, what are you talking about?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I felt like

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[SPEAKER_05]: both Zander and Ania were overreacting in ways that were very comical like and really funny to watch, but also like good God, I would hate to be either one of them in this relationship right now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's more so it's just like the transition it's like removing yourself from the honeymoon period.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it just makes her even more human and for a person that's been a demon for X amount of years.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's like so endearing for her to like, you know, she's feeling all the range of emotions that a human would feel.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is one of them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love on ya.

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[SPEAKER_04]: telling you if we just did our character rankings like a day excuse me like a week or an episode later on you would have been the at the top and then like maybe Riley now because I'm like insane but yeah yeah I thought that they were funny and I kind of liked them having

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[SPEAKER_04]: their little fight throughout the entire episode and the fact that on it was like screw you I'm not going to hang out with you at that stupid frapp party and then of course she runs into spike and then winds up bringing spike to the frapp party and is like very pass say about the fact that he literally got trapped there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She doesn't care.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She literally doesn't care and that that cracked me up so much like she's she's so upset with the ender because he's going to go to this frat party where he knows she'd feel uncomfortable because of the fact that they're like demon hunters and she used to be a demon and then she brings spike there after they bond over the fact that they wish they could just kill people like they miss it that killed me I adored that entire conversation and

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[SPEAKER_05]: But ultimately, I really liked where we ended up with Anya in Zander, where they're working together to get through all the vines, which we will talk about, to save Riley and Buffy, and let's face it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't do this if she doesn't care about Zander because she's like who cares?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like they're fine and and she's a slayer and he's a demon hunter.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They can get out of this just fine, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like the only reason she does this is because Zander cares about it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love where we ended the episode where they're like they're just like making little cutesy eyes at each other like they're like you said they're past a honeymoon phase of a relationship but in my opinion they're in the best part they're in the best part now where you're like comfortable with who you're with yeah

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[SPEAKER_05]: you feel very secure, I mean, maybe not on you, but you feel more secure in that, no, we have labels on it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It is clear cut.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We want to be together.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We love each other.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like we're willing to do things for each other.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like it is, it's comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's what part of the relationship they're in.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I, I just really like seeing them get there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, being comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It is great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's really nice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's really nice to feel like you're with your best friend and you don't have to worry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't have to freak out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Bell.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have two dogs in here, by the way, because I'm babysitting one dog and bells in here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're so annoying before they go into like a little tip on while we were recording, and it's like, please, they don't fight.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, Bell wants to get out, but then she wants to come in.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're so annoying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I hate it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And they follow me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I am like a mother duckling, and they fucking follow me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, damn day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't been by myself and that's including in the shower and on the toilet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I've been by myself for four days.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They come into the shower or they just come into the bathroom.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They come into the bathroom and just stare at me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're stalkers.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're obsessive.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, get out of here, stopping and so obsessive me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I may have to like pause down and kick dogs out, but whatever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's fine.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, so that's where we're at with.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Onya and Zander again, like I also just because I'm going to say it because people will probably accuse me of being hateful of Zander if I don't.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm very, very, very happy with the character growth we've seen from Zander.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm so pleased that he is not only in a position where he's not the one being like, where do we have six more and like, Googling people's boobs and stuff and instead we're at a point where he is like,

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[SPEAKER_05]: trying to impart wisdom, relationship wisdom onto his girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Massive character growth.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was very happy to see it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And also, he was really willing to just go back into the haunted sex house to save his friend, which

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I used so I loved his little, his like impassioned speech.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to like do it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the right thing to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She's our friend, blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He like gets kicked out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's immediately.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's like really prime zander stuff when he's like, I'm going to be bold.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to be the macho guy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then there's always something that like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: kicks him back down a peg and it's like, no, you're just like a regular guy, you're kind of a whim.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like that's like probably the best Xander moments where he kind of gets checked a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, what did you think I felt like he was a little flirty with that random girl that did not like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't like that either.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I didn't like that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Even if you're fighting with your partner, I feel like they're, I mean, again, to each their own, like every relationship's different, like you all know where your lines are in your relationship.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I personally feel like onion would not have liked that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like he was going, he was being a little too flirty.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like it was not casual enough for me to be like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: It felt like he was pursuing her in a way that I was not like I agree like I really didn't like that moment either where they were talking of course like when and like when he sat down to spin the bottle I was like oh shit like what is this going to turn into but then start cutting off her hair and then I was like okay like maybe we're okay but yeah didn't start going crazy and cutting off her hair then

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[SPEAKER_04]: How far would it have gone when Zanders kind of like pissed off at Anga?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was nervous about that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to lie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And he has a history of cheating.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, not a fan of that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I did, however, love the line of people are going all felicity with their hair.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That was very funny.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I really got to go that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I did a nice hard

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[SPEAKER_04]: belly laugh at that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, because we also cover Felicity on this show, which is not as enjoyable as season four season four garbage.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we are in the trenches over here with Sophie Ring.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's horrible.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But so much so that we're like, maybe we should double up our coverage so that we end the series sooner.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But season two was when Felicity caught her hair.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And although that haircut was ugly,

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[SPEAKER_04]: and horrible, the season two was not of the list.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no, the best season.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about the sex house because, oh, I love the sex house.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is wild.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So like, basically, and I don't think this, I don't think they're necessarily, what is it called, mutually exclusive, but it's like, Riley and Buffy B fucking.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And maybe fucking all day, every day, we got to win this for class, we're going to fuck, we're going to go get it in.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, if you want to talk about what the best part of a relationship is, in my opinion, it quite possibly could be the moments that Riley and Buffy are in where you cannot get your hands off of each other.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I remember

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[SPEAKER_04]: When me and my husband first started dating, and that was where we were.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We were going everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We were having a great time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You and I, we did a little vacation together.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There was hate keys all over my neck.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was having the best time ever, right, Jessica?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I love this moment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just wanted to share that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I understand where Riley and Buffy are and just like the moments where they're just sitting and they like give a little look and they're like, yeah, like we have to do that thing, you know, that thing and then they go off and have sex and it's just so fun, so exciting.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I eat these moments of I love to, of course, now I'm in like

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[SPEAKER_04]: the comfortable stage.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So like, it's not like, you know, there's only one HIKI on my neck instead of like, twenty.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's it's definitely not like what it was, but these are just fun moments, you know?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you hate me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, I just, um,

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was funny because of the fact of like, okay, they're having sex all the time, whatever, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, they're young, they're in love.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It is what it is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But like, there was the scene where they are sitting and like hanging out with Tara, Willow, and Giles.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think anyone else was there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was just that group.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's correct.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The hands like I was on who I was.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's hands no no no it was the it was the fact that they're that the entire it wasn't okay here's what it was it wasn't just the fact that their hands were just like this the whole just on each other if you're watching me in the video just like just hands the whole time like basically they were hand-fucking and here's the thing

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[SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't just that they were doing it constantly and it was extremely distracting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was that the camera only wanted to show me their hands fucking.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And it was all often and so much.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And like the fact that they are at a house party.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They are throwing a house party, I should say, because this is at Riley's house, whatever, a frat house, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're throwing a house party and they're like, hmm, you know what we'll be cool right now?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's go fuck up the stairs.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What in the middle of the house party?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, number one, it's a college frat party.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like we're having sex at the Metcala.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Also, having sex at the Megala might be the hottest thing ever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I got to say, like, I think that that could be one of my top ten fantasies, having sex above like a raging party that sounds like so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't see anything wrong with it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, this is not the time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then you're boy, boy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's been a while.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was a better time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: When you're alone, they are alone.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They close the door, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: We have to follow my bedroom.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like night party.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like, I don't have a problem with.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I do not have a problem with the hand equivalent to fuzzies too.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because it can't.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a PDA girl.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, that's not my business.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's like, go wait until you're in the bedroom.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And like, the fact that they can't keep their hands off of each other for more than three fucking seconds.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, good God.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's just like, stop it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Enough of this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want my friends to be that much in love, that much excitement.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't care if they're that much in love, but just like, behind closed doors is fine.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, no.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What is the point of it?

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[SPEAKER_04]: What is the point of this for like twenty minutes?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was just a little footsies by handsies.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't really have a problem with it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My buddies wanted to play handsies in like the same areas mean like pop off who cares.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it excuse themselves to go fuck, yes, which we very much appreciated.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, this, so this house is haunted, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is a sex house and it's a haunted sex house.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the reason it is a haunted sex house is because this old woman had a bunch of orphans there or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And she is a god of hearing woman.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And she was like, these children are too sexually active.

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[SPEAKER_05]: These women, these kids, these girls, they have their long hair and it's attracting the young men.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I made them chop it all up.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This lady is fucking unhinged.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And so these sex craze teenagers just want a fuck.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And so that is leading everyone to be horny.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Everything horny is happening.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There is an orgasm wall.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sarah, what did you think of the orgasm wall?

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was absolutely beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was a lovely wall.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So this was the local home for children originally before as a front house.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the woman was, I don't know, Mrs. Holt.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think her name is because I remember like no fucking Holt house, but it was called Holt house.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, and I wrote this down.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They are apparition poltergeist.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And they came from intense adolescent emotion and sexual energy that was feeding off of Buffy and Riley's sexual energy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought I was like fascinating.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Love a poltergeist.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Who's your favorite poltergeist?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously it's peeves, but now I got a new favorite poltergeist.

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[SPEAKER_04]: the sex poltergeist.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're basically, they're basically sucking the life force out of Buffy and Riley fucking.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And she has the thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: My girl, Buffy, she, I feel so bad for her Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She's not allowed to get it in without it causing extreme evil.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, a little bit of ruckus.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, a little bit of ruckus, but it's, it's, it's not her fault.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not just like, or live.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I just want her to be able to comfortably have sex.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's all the things is that like, I think that during they were having a good time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it was, it was like, yeah, they were going to fuck themselves to death.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, they were eventually going to, but people took a little pale in the lips as time went on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they got, I mean, the lips are probably bruising.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They were going to woohoo to death.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just like how I sometimes woohoo my elderly Sims to death.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever done that, Jessica?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, in the Sims four and maybe obviously done the thing with the pool, but I've not in the fire and maybe before, but definitely in the Sims four, when your Sims are elderly, they, they, they after they have sex once typically, they are like, oh, I'm having like, genuine, strenuous heart feelings or like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then you have to make them woohoo a second time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then you have to make them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You have to make them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They don't choose to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You have to make them woohoo a second time, especially once you have the little like my heart, it's faint.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Then you make them move who again.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then after that, they have sex, leave the bed and they grab their heart and just die from over exhaustion.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And sometimes, look my elderly Sims.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Number one, elderly Sims are just kind of like there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They require a lot of work and not just saying a lot about our society.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I'm like, you know what, instead of just like waiting for them to die or like catching them on fire, I want my sins to go out with a bang.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm going to make them bang to death.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then that's how they die.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And honestly, that's how I would want to die having sex to death.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, if that's the way you're going to go, that seems like a good way to go.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, they were feeling a little faint because they were being the life force such out them and they were getting a little sleepy because it was a lot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because they've already been banging and now they're like banging all night long and they're banging causes vines to trap them in the room so much so that like it's fucking Georgia the jungle it's Tarzan it's it's giving jumanji and zandering on you have to like cut down all these vines to even

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[SPEAKER_05]: get to them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the worst part about it, Sarah is like not just the fact that they're trapped inside when like the house starts like shaking and fucking spin the bottles are exploding.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the orgasm wall is like truly making has a line out the door.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's that they are not there to help.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like they're because Buffy and Riley are like two of the strongest fighters.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And so to have them like out of commission is pretty rough.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It is, it is like your sex now we're having.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you were stuck in the sex fund house, where are you going first?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Are you going to the orgasm wall?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Are you going to the kitchen to get the scissors?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Are you going to spin the bottle?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like where are you going?

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[SPEAKER_05]: places are probably the scissors.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, don't get there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Don't get there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Listen, spin the bottle at a college party.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like where are we?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like one thing said it was a sex house.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I gave them a little more leeway, but like truly I don't think any college party is playing spin the bottle.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Be a little drownies in the bathtub.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's why he's in the bathtub.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's why you can find me at dronies in the bathtub.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're like, you're like, you're like, I'm never nude if I get stuck.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because how's I will be ending my life?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would, yes, I would.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because nothing, there is nothing that feels more embarrassing to me and like shameful than having an orgasm in front of an entire house party.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't believe that people are bringing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There is nothing shameful about having an orgasm in her public.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Why not?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm feeling very like win-hering at Sally, like I'll have what she's having moment.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I could not believe.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Would you get in line for the orgasm all?

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just a best orgasm I had in my life.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's just very intimate.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I don't need a house full of people seeing my own face.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I just don't need that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, that's between me and like one other person.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't really wish that you like to mean enough to tell me what like you send your last moments before you have an orgasm.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not gonna do that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just not gonna do that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, why?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, anyway.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Are you like a completely quiet person?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're like, and that's it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Is there anyone in the world that just goes, uh, and that's the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Can I ask you because, okay, because obviously this whole, this house was like, because there's a whole line.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I got to read you this line, um, because I was writing again to our little group chat, um, and I said,

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[SPEAKER_05]: I said, oh, it's a Jesus house.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then I said, wait, why the house both gives you a public orgasm, but also shames you for fucking it's not the house.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's the poltergeise and they are.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They are.

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[SPEAKER_04]: it's releasing the sexual tension and energy that misses hold, refused to let them exhibit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the poltergeys are like ricocheting.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like they are, they've been holding it in for so long that they are just blasting off like a fourth of July firework.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They are uncontrollable because they, I don't know, I don't, I'm not a scientist, so I don't exactly know the science

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[SPEAKER_04]: of poltergeist, especially poltergeisms.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I will say is that they could not stop and they would not stop.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And my favorite is that this is the only episode where you're like, I know the lore let me help you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And it's the sex house episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I am a willing student.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Each me, everything that you have, each me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I am ready.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I will get my number two pencil.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I will take my notes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No problem.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to teach me about the sex house?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I will listen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I question.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And it's, it's the Tara and Willow stuff.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because they're like,

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[SPEAKER_05]: There was a moment where they're sitting on the steps together, and they're just like talking, and again, we all know they're very close.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I have a question for you before I get into the actual meat and potatoes of the CEO.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because Tom Palmer, friend of podcast, Tom Palmer, posed a question to us, and I found it to be very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We know that at this point in time networks, executives, really straight-laced folks, we're like, we can't have gay people doing things on-screen.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's left up to our imagination and getting to see them do witchy orgasms to know how far they've gone.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So in your estimation, Sarah, pre-sex house,

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[SPEAKER_05]: How far has the Tara and Willow relationship progressed in your mind?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I got to be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think very far.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the reason is is because I think that the two of them are just dancing around it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I hope I pray that we get to see their first official kiss.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I think it's so it's like very

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[SPEAKER_04]: like subtle like I think it's the like the hand touching the hand like the the tootsies touching the tootsies like I think that like maybe it's like a hug that lingers a little bit too long a smell of a hair oh did you just wash your hand hair with um panty and shampoo it smells so good like I think it's subtle I think it's like one of those let's have a sleepover but we wind up in the same bed like type of

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[SPEAKER_04]: and like they wake up next to each other and they wake up in their smiling.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But like I don't think and I almost hope only because I want to see their first kiss so badly I don't want to imagine a world where they've had first makeouts, first kisses, first intimate moments without us the audience seeing it especially because

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like the evolution of Willow as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And being with Willow since her first iteration, first season, where she's like, Uber, Dorg, like, can't stand up for herself, doesn't, like, you know, drooling over Zander for years with an unrequited love.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I feel like I want to see all of it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm curious if you have like a different interpretation or a different thought about that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm I'm pretty much agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I've said that like they've not done anything super tangible because to me, the the way their relationship comes off is if they are dancing around it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They both have feelings, but neither one has really spoken about it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think the most they've done is probably like what you're saying is, okay, they fall asleep in the same bed.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe they've woken up holding hands or cuddling once or twice.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think they've kissed.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like I don't think they've progressed that far.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think they both know they like each other, but neither one has said anything.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think because of the fact that like we don't really know if anything about Tara's sexuality, but we know about Willow's or at least like her past sexual history.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And knowing that she's been with guys previously, and this is the first girl that she seemed interested in.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's obviously just like the little bit of a barrier there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And so, yeah, I don't think they've really progressed anywhere, but this is a really interesting moment where they're having this like more intimate conversation.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Willow puts her hand on Tara's knee, which, again, is a more intimate gesture than one might do with your friends.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And immediately, Tara, like, recoils.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I felt like this was also the intervention of the poltergeist in the sex house, because

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[SPEAKER_05]: Tara, I don't feel like she would have done that, if not.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And she says later, like, this house is weird.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I want to leave.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I don't want to be here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree with you that is how I interpreted it as well, or maybe it's hopeful or wishful thinking.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I felt so out of character for Tara, specifically how she recited those lines.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, whenever we see Tara, she's like, very, like, even killed, like, very

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[SPEAKER_04]: um, soft spoken, the way that she, like, recoiled and basically was like, that is disgusting, felt very untara-like.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and I'm hoping that that's the case, and it's not, yeah, it's not, because the other direction is that she's very, she's closeted, that was like way too far, and that was her, because everybody who soft spoke in,

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[SPEAKER_04]: like can have their like freak out moments and it sounds like when they yell or raise their voice, it sounds so ab character.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it is a possibility.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not when I watched it at first and my first interpretation of it was that it was some sort of

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[SPEAKER_04]: some sort of like whole house, um, poltergeist intervention, uh, but I have also opened hearing or thinking that that's not the case and that like she really did feel like a boundary was crossed, which I don't, I don't like as much, but it's a possibility we don't totally know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the way I interpreted it was similar to what you said where it's like the house infected her with like a shameful feeling.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that she then acted on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I think that also was like what led her to being like we got to go like I don't like it here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The other thing of note with Tara this episode is we find out she's a horse girl and

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[SPEAKER_05]: Just makes so much sense to me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She is a horse girl.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it very much feels on the nose.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't I haven't interacted with a lot of horse girls.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, me neither because the thing is is that like

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah, I didn't have any friends that took course backwriting classes when I was in elementary school or middle school or high school, but they are very stereotypical, usually like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: um, mousey brown hair and like, I don't know, they just have to like a vibe to them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and Tara gives off horse girl vibes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the thing about horse girls is the only time you're going to interact with horse girls is at the staples.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So if you're not at the staples, you're never going to see the horse girls.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and horse girls are very different though from a question, girls.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like there's a difference because like we have like there's a question, girls that are

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[SPEAKER_04]: like, you know, up at a very rich, but that's not like a granola horse girl.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So yes, yeah, but yeah, she gives horse girls to be specific, not a question, girl.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I still lay Tara very curious.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it has to be of soon, right, that we kind of hear more that weird, like,

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[SPEAKER_05]: dusttighting thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We have to find that out soon because here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like right, we're on episode eighteen out of twenty two in the season.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And like four episodes left.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So there has to be a point where first of all something happens between Willow and Tara.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's happening this season.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then there has to be time for like the betrayal slash misunderstanding aspect of it all.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So that has to come before the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So it must be happening soon.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Which I'm excited for.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, it turns out she's also aware of.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, God, I owe myself really honestly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm just gonna.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I never want to see another rare wolf on this fucking show ever again.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They were the ugliest shits I've ever seen in my life.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, that was bad.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't even want to talk about the next episode title, but

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I saw that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk about that towards the end.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But later, you know, we have to talk about next.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, what do you have?

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[SPEAKER_04]: What do you hold on?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I also, because I still want to stick with one more thing about.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He, the sex house.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When on your came in and she was trying to save Zander from drowning himself.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And she all she heard was a wailing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I loved when she was just like, shut up, cry babies.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So fucking fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was so funny.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then yeah, they eventually got through the vines, which I'm like curious if you had any thoughts about what the vines meant.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was the house protecting itself so that no one could get to.

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[SPEAKER_05]: interest.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Riley and Buffy, but like they're wild jungle love, like I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like that could definitely be the case.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was also interpreting as like

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[SPEAKER_04]: like when you are restricting yourself from your instincts, like it could feel like you're being restricted by vines or like held back or that like you're not being treated yourself so that there's like some sort of like thorn

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[SPEAKER_04]: type of.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know something along those lines.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, see that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, something like, yeah, they felt restricted, so then they're like trapped within the vines, but I also think it makes sense of like the house is like we are.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We are the horny sexy poltergeist and we cannot be stopped we must protect also when they finally showed all the poltergeists there was like yeah, there's teenagers, but there's also like seven-year-old kids as like

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[SPEAKER_04]: MAM, like, what are you doing here?

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is, this is, I don't know, this is the sex house.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think that's the point though, because Mrs. Holt was like, everything in her mind was like sexual and disgusting and unsavory.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, MAM, these are children.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, man, this is a Wendy's, like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it's like the fact that like, oh, maybe like the seven year olds are like doing their little kissy kiss, like your first kiss.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, kid.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then they're like, your dirty slut, you're kissing somebody.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And in the back yard in the garden, I'm going to like cut all your hair off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it was something like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's probably what it was.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That may be dirty too.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They didn't really look like poltergeist.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They mostly just like dirty people.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know, real like they were, she was

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[SPEAKER_04]: like the crazy lady was like, yes, I took care of the kids for years.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love those children.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They were good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I love them when they were bad when they were dirty little children.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And Giles was like, yes, well, children do get quite dirty.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And like, I know is like, I don't think that's what she meant.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They were like, dirty slots.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what the dirty little horse is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What they meant.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was really funny like it and that should turn done a dime.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was like it's like all sweet old lady taking care of these little children and it's like no, they were dirty sluts.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'd like those kids up all the time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: My god, lady.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I saw one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You show me yours.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I show you mine.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They were playing doctor.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Immediately put them to bed with no dinner.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This lady, this lady would have hated.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This lady would have been in Kahuts with the school board that was like, you can't have pants with juicy on the butt.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's unbecoming of the little girls, not allowed.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No spaghetti straps.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Not allowed.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Nobody can be juicy in this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Not one is allowed to be juicy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, where I want to go next is we have to talk about Giles singing with an earring.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: My soul left my body.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It left my body.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It has gone.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't even know if it's returned yet.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm a poltergeist.

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[SPEAKER_05]: First of all, your husband, was he watching this episode with you?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Was he excited that it appeared that the actor was actually playing the instrument?

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[SPEAKER_04]: He said that the actor was not playing the instrument.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then the job faking though, I think.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I, okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So like we talked about this recently.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He has like a stick up his butt about when actors fake pretend to play instruments and then he can y'all name that he can tell whenever said actors play or do not play.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I say like I have not heard him say once when an actor actually does play.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm calling bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, how do you know?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to look this up.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Done.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Anthony, my work head play.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What's his, I don't think his name is Michael guitar.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Anthony Anthony head.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, Anthony Stewart head is known to play the guitar.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's also a singer.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, so that's what I said.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, well, I said, I said, well, that's definitely him singing because number one, it sounds like him, but also I know that he's played Dr. Franken-Futter and Rocky Horror Picture Show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's like he's definitely him singing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't really understand.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I kind of just feel like Adam is

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is my authority.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know because I play I play piano and trombone and this and that and the other thing, but it's like a great Adam impression.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's a terrible Adam impression.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He can do probably a better impression to me anyway.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love the scene as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love how he was like, yeah, I need some like lonely adult time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, please, I don't want to hang out with you teenagers tonight.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then he's like, I'm going to go to the bar and sing with my guitar and my earring.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And what was he he was singing like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what it's like to be a son.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I am a man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was so distracted by the layer.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sexuality he was exuding.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, I loved Willow being like.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you have to look it up.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I loved that Willow was like, oh, yeah, you have a huge crush on him.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, girlie pop, we all do now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We all do now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because it was so hot beyond the earring.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, behind the wise by the who.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, great.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Perfect.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The earring.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It got to go.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It got to go.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you don't like it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Here's my problem with it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't subtle enough because it was it was too thick.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was a thick hoop.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was a hoop.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, if it was a teeny tiny hoop, I maybe I could be on board, but it was a little too thick for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I were watching Ali McBeal.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I'm just so I'm like trying to pressure you into checking out because as many episodes, this is a lot of too many episodes go.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Plenty.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, there's plenty of episodes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So like one of the characters.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm going to present.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes, please.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, this is Billy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What do you think about Billy?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah, I mean, it's the end of the zoomed in.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, he looks like kind of your typical nineties dad.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's giving me a little bit of Danny Tanner.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't find him attractive.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Am I supposed to?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, no, he's a jackass.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He got a new look recently.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, Miss Y'all gray.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Or is he blind?

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[SPEAKER_04]: He died his hair bleached his hair and he got a mirroring.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I hate that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's a nasty man.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He does look nasty.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We hate, we hate.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He tried out for a backstreet voice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what the story was.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's stopping sharing your screen earlier.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I easier.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank goodness.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, by the scenes for everyone.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Hearing some men, you're not feeling it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's not for me, it's not for me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I think if it again, if it was the thinner hoop, it's like smaller hoop, maybe I would have been on board, but safe to say this had to have been a sexual awakening for many people because good God, it was great.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I enjoyed the hell out of it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean like I prefer the episode where he was acting like a teenager, acting like a fool.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And he had like the leather jacket on like that's my preference.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like people do playing instruments.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like the boy in the band never has done anything for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I've never been into like

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's insane, considering who you're married to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What am I talking about?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Music, he's not like in a band, but it plays, but he was multiple instruments.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You're telling me, you're telling me, does he know guitar?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, you're telling me, if you came home, okay, I'm gonna paint you a little word picture here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You come home, you don't have to work outside your house, but you come home from something.

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[SPEAKER_05]: After let's say you're a weekend away.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You're away for a weekend.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was away for a weekend.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You enter your home.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Flower petals into the in the entryway.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Going down the hallway.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Into dimly lit candles everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Living room with a lovely song.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's being serenated to you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_05]: On piano or guitar, whatever Adam feels like playing that day.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That sounds great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, like sure, but it's like everything else as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He also has like his, he's a good singer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I don't know, like I'm not like, oh my gosh, she's in a band.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I've never been like that type of girl that's been like, he's in a band that's so hot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy to me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That this is why John Mayer can fuck be a complete dickhead and still just fucks everybody.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm telling you, like, somebody literally chopping wood or digging if you want to be like, on you, is ten times hotter in my opinion, the playing an instrument.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It just is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, it just is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's because muscles muscles go away over time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, trying to spell in some of the musicians about the force

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's not even like a gross thing to say.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know, but it just sounds strange.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's the muscles.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's the force.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I just, anyway, this did it for me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was very pleased with Giles' performance.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was giving the Ron Swanson playing saxophone, alter ego has like a secret hidden talent.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, my name is Ripper.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm doing an open mic night.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like yes, Daddy, please.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the reactions were really funny too.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's the other thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like that's such a great moment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure that like everybody that thinks of Giles or Buffy, like things of like that, one of that moment as like one of his like iconic moments and it happened in the episode where the wild things are in season four of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is why we have to stop being so

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[SPEAKER_05]: judgey people, people very grumpy and I totally agree with you because the onion spike stuff and the jial singing are worth the price of admission already and then we just get a whole lot of other messy crap.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_05]: like we have there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So everyone has to get together.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They have to do this big spell because they have to summon the children and basically do a whole exorcism while onions.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk it out kids.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's great.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I loved this episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not even saying that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm sure there is an aspect of my personality that is trying to be a contrarian and being like this episode is better than people give it credit for.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I honestly believe that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like I truly, some people are like, this is the third worst episode of all time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Since when?

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[SPEAKER_05]: How?

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[SPEAKER_05]: What?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I totally disagree with that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's no way.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was in my way for days.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And what are we for if not to be entertained entertained?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was great.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Me too.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, perfect.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Look at that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This has been great.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I really enjoyed myself.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not complaining.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not complaining at all.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So what do we want to do first?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Do we want to get into feedback?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Or do we want to talk through a little bit of the double header of Angel that we watched this week?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh boy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I guess we're going to talk about Angel.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So we watched, we watched two episodes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So if you were somehow here and you haven't watched any of Buffy and you're watching along with us for the first time, just be aware of that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to be spoiling both episodes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So episode, eighteen and nineteen five by five in sanctuary where we have a little sneak cameo here with faith, faith tops on over.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And Sarah, didn't you know hugs cure everything?

58:21.831 --> 58:23.131
[SPEAKER_05]: You think you're a serial killer?

58:23.151 --> 58:25.052
[SPEAKER_05]: Go get that serial killer hug.

58:25.172 --> 58:25.872
[SPEAKER_05]: They probably stop it.

58:26.252 --> 58:32.018
[SPEAKER_04]: I know that was supposed to like these two episodes of Angel because faith is coming.

58:32.118 --> 58:34.540
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a connection episode, eventually, Buffy comes.

58:35.081 --> 58:50.776
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I don't like what's happening here because like those we get this like redemption, almost redemption like storyline from youth and it seems as though we completely like backtrack that all because she got offered money by the creepy law firm.

58:51.236 --> 59:16.486
[SPEAKER_04]: like I don't understand like hey like do me do this whole thing about how like she felt like appreciated for once and she saw the good and doing good like do me just do that and then she comes to LA and she's like the streets of LA is gritty and dark and then somebody from the law firm comes up and is like I will offer you X amount of money to kill Angel why I don't even know

59:16.606 --> 59:43.745
[SPEAKER_04]: why the law firm wants to kill Angel because he's like kind of like ruining all of their he like gone to the auction stuff and like stole like Cordelia and the auction like I don't even understand really was happening maybe because I miss like seven episodes because I kept forgetting to watch the episodes maybe if I watched them more closely I would understand but I didn't like that I didn't like that and then I didn't like how then like Angel was like I want to redeem her and it's like

59:45.492 --> 59:50.855
[SPEAKER_04]: We just had Giles and Buffy want to give her redemption as well.

59:50.875 --> 59:59.919
[SPEAKER_04]: But only only Angel can get through to her why I don't know because his dick is strong and like he's loved.

01:00:00.699 --> 01:00:05.383
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, like, he's dark and mysterious and he's killed before as well.

01:00:05.443 --> 01:00:06.744
[SPEAKER_04]: So he understands her.

01:00:06.764 --> 01:00:08.365
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, who the fuck cares?

01:00:08.725 --> 01:00:13.369
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, Buffy comes in and even though Buffy is like, awesome, I'm Buffy.

01:00:13.669 --> 01:00:23.637
[SPEAKER_04]: She becomes like a weepy little pussy ass bitch when she comes onto Angel because this is a man show and only like Angel has to be the strong man.

01:00:23.977 --> 01:00:28.000
[SPEAKER_04]: And Buffy has to be the weepy little bitch girl that comes and winds.

01:00:29.721 --> 01:00:32.523
[SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, like fuck this, I don't know.

01:00:33.244 --> 01:00:38.508
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm a little higher on it than you, but I do agree with you.

01:00:38.568 --> 01:00:54.201
[SPEAKER_05]: It feels repetitive in that I guess faith ran away at the end of the the Buffy episode, but I also agree with you that I felt like we had reached a certain point where she realized the error of her ways.

01:00:54.902 --> 01:01:19.670
[SPEAKER_05]: right like she there was a redemption story after the freaky Friday stuff and so then it felt like we took a step back to bring on bring her on to angel and have her be like what money to kill angel perfect i'd love to i hate that fuck head like it just felt like okay now we're now we're stepping back however i will give the show credit that like i do think

01:01:20.857 --> 01:01:27.618
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like almost like faith is the connecting factor of like halfway point between Buffy and Angel.

01:01:27.958 --> 01:01:33.679
[SPEAKER_05]: We're like her and Buffy can connect on being a slayer and how difficult it is to have like all that pressure on you.

01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:38.360
[SPEAKER_05]: But then her and Angel have both done some robot trick.

01:01:38.580 --> 01:01:41.440
[SPEAKER_05]: Like done some robot shit that then she they feel really bad about.

01:01:41.781 --> 01:01:49.922
[SPEAKER_05]: So it made sense to me that she's connecting with him about her past and like what she's done and trying to get redemption and all of that stuff, right?

01:01:50.542 --> 01:01:56.789
[SPEAKER_05]: However, I kind of hate the trope of people are fighting.

01:01:57.149 --> 01:02:03.335
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm hitting you, I'm crying, and I'm punching you, and then you just hug me, and then I weeping your arms.

01:02:03.656 --> 01:02:05.598
[SPEAKER_05]: Like it is how many shows this is happening.

01:02:05.618 --> 01:02:08.921
[SPEAKER_05]: Like it's so often that this happens that I get a little tired of it.

01:02:11.063 --> 01:02:11.624
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

01:02:11.644 --> 01:02:19.709
[SPEAKER_05]: I also really agreed with Wesley that, like, Angel just let a literal serial killer, like, let's face it.

01:02:19.729 --> 01:02:24.692
[SPEAKER_05]: She's got a lot of people at this point, like, a literal serial killer loose in his house and, like, didn't tie her up.

01:02:25.072 --> 01:02:30.856
[SPEAKER_05]: Literally moments after she was torturing Wesley for hours, like, what?

01:02:31.436 --> 01:02:33.919
[SPEAKER_05]: Why are you just letting her roam around freely?

01:02:33.959 --> 01:02:40.266
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I felt like Angel was way too far over the line of like, she's fine.

01:02:40.367 --> 01:02:46.313
[SPEAKER_05]: She's going to get redemption, like way too trusting of faith when he had really no reason to be.

01:02:47.735 --> 01:02:55.597
[SPEAKER_05]: While I really love faith and I really love her, the scenes with her, like her dancing in the club and beating the shit out of people is so funny.

01:02:55.977 --> 01:03:04.938
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, there's a lot to really, really enjoy about faith and her arc and how it kind of ends with her turning herself in.

01:03:04.958 --> 01:03:06.239
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah.

01:03:06.479 --> 01:03:08.699
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that is like a really good ending to it.

01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:09.459
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:03:09.619 --> 01:03:13.120
[SPEAKER_04]: I just, I guess like I'm most peaved by the fact that like,

01:03:14.688 --> 01:03:16.289
[SPEAKER_04]: Buffy tried to get through to her.

01:03:16.309 --> 01:03:17.910
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she tried to get through to her.

01:03:18.030 --> 01:03:19.471
[SPEAKER_04]: Wesley tried to get through to her.

01:03:19.831 --> 01:03:23.934
[SPEAKER_04]: But the only person to get through to her is fucking angel.

01:03:23.994 --> 01:03:26.215
[SPEAKER_04]: And of course, this is Angel of the show.

01:03:26.315 --> 01:03:27.576
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he's the hero.

01:03:27.696 --> 01:03:28.377
[SPEAKER_04]: I understand.

01:03:28.737 --> 01:03:33.200
[SPEAKER_04]: But like faith is our character in Buffy.

01:03:33.560 --> 01:03:41.645
[SPEAKER_04]: So to have the angel get that like a win, the win feels so annoying.

01:03:41.665 --> 01:03:42.826
[SPEAKER_04]: And it just like,

01:03:43.713 --> 01:03:44.134
[SPEAKER_04]: for me.

01:03:44.234 --> 01:03:46.416
[SPEAKER_04]: And maybe I'm being like too sensitive or whatever.

01:03:46.757 --> 01:03:47.357
[SPEAKER_04]: But no, I see.

01:03:47.378 --> 01:03:51.082
[SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like this show is just for the guys.

01:03:51.102 --> 01:03:57.510
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, of course, like, only a man could like calm historic hysterical woman.

01:03:57.850 --> 01:03:58.791
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know what I mean?

01:03:58.811 --> 01:03:58.891
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:04:00.173 --> 01:04:10.135
[SPEAKER_05]: And because like one part of me says, well, he is someone who would understand her better than Buffy would because Buffy has never done anything as terrible as like what Faith has been doing.

01:04:10.496 --> 01:04:23.139
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that the flashbacks we get of Angel kind of are a little bit of parallel storytelling there where like we get to see all the shitty things he did before he had a soul and even maybe a little bit after.

01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:27.560
[SPEAKER_05]: And so a part of me wants to like defend it a little bit because

01:04:28.300 --> 01:04:38.886
[SPEAKER_05]: There I could see I could see where they're drawing the lines and connecting the dots and everything, but there's also a part of me that's pretty pissed off that we are finishing faiths storyline on a show that's not buffy.

01:04:39.227 --> 01:04:42.969
[SPEAKER_05]: Like it's like not that I don't like Angel it's it's just that like

01:04:43.609 --> 01:05:01.407
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a little disrespectful to be like, yeah, Buffy went above and beyond and like really tried to help faith over and over and over again, but it took her fucking showing up in LA and like getting hired by lawyers to kill Angel because he's causing problems with their their law cases or their court cases or whatever the fuck and

01:05:01.967 --> 01:05:06.871
[SPEAKER_05]: And like, it just, yeah, it kind of sucked in that very specific way.

01:05:06.931 --> 01:05:13.617
[SPEAKER_05]: I just felt like, why are we giving her so many chances when like, she literally has killed so, so many people with no regrets by the way.

01:05:13.657 --> 01:05:20.803
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, she'd never has shown any remorse for it until she had that hug with Angel in the fucking rain after torturing Wesley for hours.

01:05:21.103 --> 01:05:22.224
[SPEAKER_05]: Like unbelievable.

01:05:22.544 --> 01:05:25.386
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, and, and I was so happy when Cordy is like,

01:05:26.503 --> 01:05:31.947
[SPEAKER_05]: I am going on vacation and it's all expenses paid and expenses are going to your account.

01:05:32.167 --> 01:05:34.448
[SPEAKER_05]: Like fuck you fuck your life.

01:05:34.789 --> 01:05:39.532
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going on vacation until you have deal dealt with the fucking situation you created.

01:05:39.552 --> 01:05:39.632
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:05:41.393 --> 01:05:44.176
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just like I'm being the petty cash or the company card.

01:05:44.196 --> 01:05:45.417
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:05:46.358 --> 01:05:46.979
[SPEAKER_05]: I like that.

01:05:47.579 --> 01:05:50.022
[SPEAKER_05]: I also love Dennis protecting Cordelia.

01:05:50.042 --> 01:05:55.527
[SPEAKER_05]: I not wanting her to enter the house when he knew that faith was in there.

01:05:55.868 --> 01:05:59.351
[SPEAKER_05]: Did this might be the best boy from that ever existed?

01:06:00.721 --> 01:06:01.261
[SPEAKER_05]: I love Dennis.

01:06:02.782 --> 01:06:10.666
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I like I ultimately like where we landed and that faith has turned herself in like she's going to be held accountable for her actions.

01:06:10.906 --> 01:06:14.047
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm hoping this isn't the end of the faith story.

01:06:14.087 --> 01:06:15.068
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it is.

01:06:15.248 --> 01:06:17.208
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure we'll see her again at some point.

01:06:18.029 --> 01:06:19.750
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm a low peep that like

01:06:20.830 --> 01:06:23.811
[SPEAKER_05]: It just feels like the show and maybe this is wrong.

01:06:24.191 --> 01:06:26.392
[SPEAKER_05]: But like it feels like Angel the show.

01:06:27.092 --> 01:06:30.514
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like we're not getting enough viewers to watch our show.

01:06:30.774 --> 01:06:33.235
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's pull faith over here and finish her storyline over here.

01:06:33.255 --> 01:06:36.496
[SPEAKER_05]: So we force people to watch it to actually feel satisfied.

01:06:36.536 --> 01:06:40.017
[SPEAKER_05]: And I know that's probably not true because probably I'm sure Angel had tons and tons of tons of viewers.

01:06:40.378 --> 01:06:43.579
[SPEAKER_05]: But like it just feels a little bit, I don't know.

01:06:43.619 --> 01:06:44.499
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know the word for it.

01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:45.459
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just with a little wrong.

01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:46.700
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, a little annoying.

01:06:46.780 --> 01:06:48.021
[SPEAKER_05]: A little cheap, yeah, a little cheap.

01:06:48.602 --> 01:06:50.384
[SPEAKER_05]: Again, I love seeing faith.

01:06:50.624 --> 01:06:51.925
[SPEAKER_05]: Love watching her dance in the dance floor.

01:06:51.945 --> 01:06:52.646
[SPEAKER_05]: Roll has it.

01:06:53.447 --> 01:06:57.791
[SPEAKER_05]: I love her being like dancing with some other girls boyfriend and then elbowing her in the face.

01:06:57.951 --> 01:06:59.132
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, she's a lot of fun.

01:06:59.233 --> 01:07:02.256
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, like I love seeing Eliza Giushku.

01:07:02.396 --> 01:07:04.097
[SPEAKER_04]: I love seeing faith.

01:07:05.879 --> 01:07:06.880
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I just

01:07:07.971 --> 01:07:10.914
[SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like, you know, I think you're right.

01:07:10.934 --> 01:07:16.319
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, in a way, it's almost like, like, we know people want to see more faith.

01:07:16.500 --> 01:07:19.703
[SPEAKER_04]: We want more people to watch angel.

01:07:19.883 --> 01:07:22.105
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's finish off this storyline.

01:07:24.187 --> 01:07:35.991
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what do you think of like, faith was like, oops, YouTube sees I accidentally tell you about Riley about Buffy's new boyfriend Riley.

01:07:36.611 --> 01:07:40.533
[SPEAKER_04]: And then also the conversation, I actually love this.

01:07:40.893 --> 01:07:45.995
[SPEAKER_04]: We're like, um, we're Buffy because I'm such a fluffy fan because Buffy was like,

01:07:46.975 --> 01:08:05.933
[SPEAKER_04]: says to Angel like he and I have like more in common than like we can ever have and guess what like I trust him I like know him and I've never known you and I like I kind of liked that that was probably my favorite part in these two episodes where she was just like

01:08:07.098 --> 01:08:13.722
[SPEAKER_04]: Fuck you, I'm happy and you are perpetually miserable and you always will be.

01:08:13.742 --> 01:08:20.186
[SPEAKER_04]: And like, I don't need you and I have a man that bones me all day and all night at the sex house.

01:08:20.666 --> 01:08:26.669
[SPEAKER_04]: I can even fuck you once without you turning into a freaking crazy sociopath murder.

01:08:26.849 --> 01:08:27.470
[SPEAKER_04]: You'll lose a

01:08:28.090 --> 01:08:35.152
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think one of my main issues with the show Angel itself is that I don't really like Angel all that much.

01:08:35.632 --> 01:08:52.256
[SPEAKER_05]: I find him to be a little self-righteous at times and I felt like it was really rich of him to get on Buffy's case when she shows up and he's like, it looks like something intimate has happened between him and Faith and he's like constantly defending Faith to Buffy.

01:08:53.256 --> 01:08:54.637
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry.

01:08:54.717 --> 01:08:57.458
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like there's so many people.

01:08:57.558 --> 01:08:59.478
[SPEAKER_05]: Are you fucking kidding, bro?

01:08:59.498 --> 01:09:03.560
[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, Buffy is not going to be like, oh, poor faith.

01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:06.761
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's just tie her up and be very careful.

01:09:06.801 --> 01:09:08.542
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't tie her up too tight.

01:09:08.562 --> 01:09:08.602
[SPEAKER_05]: No.

01:09:09.802 --> 01:09:12.984
[SPEAKER_05]: She's not gonna do that because faith has been a fucking monster.

01:09:13.004 --> 01:09:16.707
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it makes no sense for Buffy to be like that.

01:09:16.787 --> 01:09:23.172
[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, I did like her throwing it in Angel's face because Angel, my guy, how old are you?

01:09:23.212 --> 01:09:24.713
[SPEAKER_05]: Get the fuck over this relationship.

01:09:24.733 --> 01:09:28.616
[SPEAKER_05]: Like follow the fucking Charlotte York rule of thumb.

01:09:29.157 --> 01:09:30.658
[SPEAKER_05]: How long it takes to get over a breakup?

01:09:30.698 --> 01:09:31.659
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, how long has it been?

01:09:31.719 --> 01:09:32.880
[SPEAKER_05]: He should be over this by now.

01:09:33.400 --> 01:09:33.660
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:09:33.700 --> 01:09:34.500
[SPEAKER_05]: How old are you?

01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:35.901
[SPEAKER_05]: You're so fucking old.

01:09:36.121 --> 01:09:37.661
[SPEAKER_05]: But go for someone's old.

01:09:37.861 --> 01:09:39.401
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, get the fuck over this.

01:09:39.442 --> 01:09:40.262
[SPEAKER_05]: Are you kidding me?

01:09:40.502 --> 01:09:43.703
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a blip on your radar from you for the fucking how old you are.

01:09:43.763 --> 01:09:47.704
[SPEAKER_05]: And she'd be like thirsty over Darlas still or something.

01:09:47.724 --> 01:09:49.964
[SPEAKER_05]: I did love her.

01:09:50.004 --> 01:09:52.025
[SPEAKER_05]: I always loved Darlas, but I just felt it was worth mentioning.

01:09:52.165 --> 01:09:52.705
[SPEAKER_05]: I loved Darlas.

01:09:52.945 --> 01:09:53.265
[SPEAKER_05]: She's great.

01:09:53.905 --> 01:09:54.926
[SPEAKER_05]: icon queen.

01:09:55.086 --> 01:09:55.266
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:09:55.826 --> 01:09:58.247
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I just, I, I hope we're not too down.

01:09:58.287 --> 01:10:07.492
[SPEAKER_05]: I, I don't know if people love this to partner from Angel or not, but like I just, I, my biggest problem is that I don't really like Angel.

01:10:07.732 --> 01:10:09.273
[SPEAKER_05]: And he is the main character.

01:10:09.393 --> 01:10:16.197
[SPEAKER_05]: And so it's like really hard to really love the show when like we're also spending time on the cop lady again.

01:10:16.817 --> 01:10:19.318
[SPEAKER_05]: I loved Cori and I think Cori always makes good points.

01:10:19.398 --> 01:10:21.098
[SPEAKER_05]: And Wesley, I'm really enjoying as well.

01:10:21.118 --> 01:10:22.239
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's worth mentioning.

01:10:22.299 --> 01:10:24.499
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I'm really, really enjoying what we're seeing from Wesley.

01:10:24.539 --> 01:10:26.720
[SPEAKER_05]: And I really liked, should point this out.

01:10:27.100 --> 01:10:36.243
[SPEAKER_05]: I liked his storyline of like, oh, income, the fucking watchers council that got beat the shit out of in the freaky Friday episodes.

01:10:36.343 --> 01:10:41.105
[SPEAKER_05]: And they're going to try to convince Wesley even though he got fucking fired by them to help them out.

01:10:41.385 --> 01:10:42.585
[SPEAKER_05]: And he double crosses them.

01:10:43.205 --> 01:10:45.146
[SPEAKER_05]: I really liked that because

01:10:45.846 --> 01:10:54.391
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it makes more sense for Wesley to not be like, you know, such a fucking loser and go back to them after they didn't dirty.

01:10:54.411 --> 01:10:56.653
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it made me more sense for him not to do that.

01:10:56.873 --> 01:10:57.994
[SPEAKER_05]: They did do him dirty.

01:10:58.014 --> 01:10:58.694
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:10:58.974 --> 01:11:07.259
[SPEAKER_05]: Also, I know you said this back when we were watching Buffy and then they had a really bad kiss, but like, Cordy and Wesley, I feel like there are still vibes there.

01:11:08.280 --> 01:11:11.662
[SPEAKER_05]: been saying, well, they had a shitty ass kiss though.

01:11:11.682 --> 01:11:12.122
[SPEAKER_05]: Remember that?

01:11:12.142 --> 01:11:12.702
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.

01:11:13.203 --> 01:11:21.627
[SPEAKER_04]: I know, but I don't even know if they knew that Wesley was going to be on this show because I think so.

01:11:21.667 --> 01:11:23.588
[SPEAKER_04]: I wonder if like Doyle

01:11:24.248 --> 01:11:26.409
[SPEAKER_04]: didn't have the issues that he had.

01:11:26.529 --> 01:11:29.350
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I wonder if they would have even brought in Wesley.

01:11:29.370 --> 01:11:34.391
[SPEAKER_04]: I doubt it because like yeah, but I don't know either way.

01:11:34.471 --> 01:11:37.412
[SPEAKER_05]: I do think there's some vibes there that I'm really enjoying.

01:11:37.432 --> 01:11:42.113
[SPEAKER_05]: I really liked when he was like checking it on her after she got elbowed in the face.

01:11:42.133 --> 01:11:43.714
[SPEAKER_05]: This is very nice.

01:11:44.434 --> 01:12:00.987
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I just I liked not loved these episodes and most of my criticisms are because of angel the character himself not, you know, most of my criticisms come from me being a grumpy.

01:12:03.078 --> 01:12:04.698
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:12:04.979 --> 01:12:06.339
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, well, those are episodes.

01:12:06.379 --> 01:12:08.119
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's get into some feedback we have.

01:12:08.500 --> 01:12:11.480
[SPEAKER_05]: We did hear from from the podcast previously mentioned Tom Palmer.

01:12:11.500 --> 01:12:14.401
[SPEAKER_05]: He has feedback on this on the Buffy episode.

01:12:14.981 --> 01:12:20.603
[SPEAKER_05]: This episode is definitely dumb, but there are bits that make me laugh, especially spike walking away without helping.

01:12:21.003 --> 01:12:22.323
[SPEAKER_05]: And most everything on you does.

01:12:23.004 --> 01:12:27.245
[SPEAKER_05]: I also think this episode was an interesting check in for our three new relationships.

01:12:27.985 --> 01:12:31.427
[SPEAKER_05]: And Zander and Ania have gotten past the point where they are having sex every five minutes.

01:12:31.487 --> 01:12:36.049
[SPEAKER_05]: In this episode, they realize that they both actually care about each other beyond that.

01:12:36.149 --> 01:12:41.891
[SPEAKER_05]: And despite them not making sense on paper, they do actually make a pretty good team as they fight their way to Buffy and Riley.

01:12:42.552 --> 01:12:43.012
[SPEAKER_05]: I totally agree.

01:12:43.032 --> 01:12:43.192
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:47.581
[SPEAKER_05]: Riley and Buffy are in the stage where they just want to fuck.

01:12:47.901 --> 01:12:50.963
[SPEAKER_05]: Good for Buffy, finally getting to have sex with someone more than once.

01:12:51.663 --> 01:12:55.885
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just gonna add in there and in parentheses, bad for Buffy that every time she has sex, something that happens.

01:12:56.245 --> 01:12:57.545
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, not anymore, not anymore.

01:12:57.965 --> 01:12:58.766
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

01:12:58.806 --> 01:13:03.948
[SPEAKER_05]: And finally we have Tara and Willow, who are clearly just platonic friends if you ignore the random intimate touching.

01:13:04.248 --> 01:13:07.309
[SPEAKER_05]: Nothing to see here, parental groups who might complain to the network.

01:13:08.270 --> 01:13:08.670
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's funny.

01:13:10.524 --> 01:13:14.106
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm excited to see more progression in the Tara and Willow department.

01:13:14.146 --> 01:13:14.887
[SPEAKER_05]: What is their shifting?

01:13:14.907 --> 01:13:15.247
[SPEAKER_05]: Tillow?

01:13:15.988 --> 01:13:16.408
[SPEAKER_05]: Wherea?

01:13:17.209 --> 01:13:17.589
[SPEAKER_05]: Tillow?

01:13:18.310 --> 01:13:18.790
[SPEAKER_05]: Tillow?

01:13:19.030 --> 01:13:19.731
[SPEAKER_05]: Tillow is better.

01:13:20.892 --> 01:13:25.716
[SPEAKER_05]: Lindy says, Zander has a giant insect magazine in his truck.

01:13:26.356 --> 01:13:28.598
[SPEAKER_05]: Is that something to do with the teacher that turned into a bug?

01:13:29.539 --> 01:13:30.700
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to talk about that.

01:13:30.940 --> 01:13:31.620
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, fool it.

01:13:33.875 --> 01:13:49.040
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, we also got a message from Michael from San Fran, probably getting in here too late for this week's episode, but I got to say that Ali scene at the end of five by five is hands down one of the most emotionally affecting moments for me in all of Buffier.

01:13:49.700 --> 01:13:49.980
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

01:13:50.161 --> 01:13:51.162
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, we're so rude.

01:13:51.242 --> 01:13:51.442
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

01:13:51.462 --> 01:13:54.746
[SPEAKER_04]: That was a good scene where she was like, just kill me, Angel.

01:13:54.826 --> 01:13:56.588
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, please, just like, and me.

01:13:56.949 --> 01:13:57.850
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's raining.

01:13:58.190 --> 01:13:59.792
[SPEAKER_04]: That was a really good moment.

01:13:59.892 --> 01:14:00.553
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.

01:14:00.693 --> 01:14:02.736
[SPEAKER_04]: I forgot that I forgot to mention it.

01:14:02.856 --> 01:14:04.718
[SPEAKER_04]: But that was a hug that ruined it for me.

01:14:04.798 --> 01:14:05.259
[SPEAKER_04]: Truly.

01:14:05.419 --> 01:14:05.739
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't.

01:14:07.421 --> 01:14:29.737
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really just like hurt because like we see her like self hate in the Buffy episode of her like punching herself in the face and then a continuation of that within the angel episode of like the amount of self hate that she actually does have for herself is for me once again really relatable just like

01:14:30.537 --> 01:14:38.144
[SPEAKER_04]: just feeling like that like absolute like devastation of like I have no purpose I have like no

01:14:41.453 --> 01:14:42.734
[SPEAKER_04]: point in existing.

01:14:43.094 --> 01:14:45.916
[SPEAKER_04]: I had no value to this world, like just and me.

01:14:47.638 --> 01:14:48.959
[SPEAKER_04]: That was very emotionally driven.

01:14:48.979 --> 01:14:51.340
[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought I worked it.

01:14:51.360 --> 01:14:54.122
[SPEAKER_05]: I agree very well acted.

01:14:54.222 --> 01:14:58.265
[SPEAKER_05]: And I really enjoyed the like continuation of faith.

01:14:58.345 --> 01:14:59.406
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, just kill me.

01:14:59.466 --> 01:15:00.587
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm worth us whatever.

01:15:00.607 --> 01:15:01.047
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not.

01:15:02.108 --> 01:15:03.029
[SPEAKER_05]: fucking kills me every time.

01:15:03.529 --> 01:15:21.401
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, you see, faith's entire facade just crumble in an instant, and to me, this is the first time we actually meet faith, underneath all the bluster and callousness, there's no supervillain, just a scared girl who's been through all the same shit Buffy has and probably a bunch of other shit we never saw, but without any of the resources or support Buffy has had.

01:15:21.881 --> 01:15:27.805
[SPEAKER_05]: Every time I watch this, my heart breaks for her again, and it's a reminder of how easy it can be to see the world as black and white.

01:15:28.105 --> 01:15:34.071
[SPEAKER_05]: people is good or bad, but the truth is you never really know what trauma another person is carrying and how it's impacting them.

01:15:34.511 --> 01:15:38.775
[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of us would be capable of becoming the villain under the wrong circumstances.

01:15:39.376 --> 01:15:41.398
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, take care of one another out there.

01:15:41.598 --> 01:15:43.580
[SPEAKER_05]: Only you can prevent rogue slayers.

01:15:46.142 --> 01:15:46.643
[SPEAKER_05]: That's funny.

01:15:47.323 --> 01:15:51.686
[SPEAKER_05]: I also got an email from Joy, which is very funny.

01:15:51.706 --> 01:15:53.608
[SPEAKER_05]: It starts out, hey guys, we're finally here.

01:15:53.688 --> 01:15:59.532
[SPEAKER_05]: This arc of faiths starting in Buffy and ending in Angel is one of my absolute favorite arcs on the show.

01:15:59.973 --> 01:16:03.755
[SPEAKER_05]: But before we can get there, I'm just going to barely touch on where the wild things are.

01:16:04.336 --> 01:16:09.419
[SPEAKER_05]: I know you all said you were going to stand it so hard, but I don't see how that's possible.

01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:11.861
[SPEAKER_05]: Joy, it's just no understand.

01:16:11.941 --> 01:16:14.123
[SPEAKER_05]: She underestimates our ability to stand something.

01:16:14.483 --> 01:16:16.766
[SPEAKER_05]: I genuinely do.

01:16:17.026 --> 01:16:20.230
[SPEAKER_05]: I really, I, I, I, I thought it was stupid, but I loved it.

01:16:20.330 --> 01:16:23.253
[SPEAKER_05]: So like, I don't know where you put that on the, is it good or is it bad?

01:16:23.494 --> 01:16:33.105
[SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of like, it's kind of like when you eat food that you know is bad for you and like process the fuck out of like like a little Debbie treat, but you're like, it's so good you love it.

01:16:33.125 --> 01:16:34.447
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a zebra cake.

01:16:34.907 --> 01:16:36.148
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's like a zipper cake.

01:16:36.168 --> 01:16:37.349
[SPEAKER_05]: You know it's bad for you.

01:16:37.669 --> 01:16:40.251
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like talk about it's like, is this gonna fuck up my stomach?

01:16:40.351 --> 01:16:42.073
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but also it's delicious.

01:16:42.313 --> 01:16:45.275
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, get me, get me that Diablo sauce pronto.

01:16:45.455 --> 01:16:49.078
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I'm saying.

01:16:49.198 --> 01:16:51.600
[SPEAKER_05]: I would take one hundred beer bags over this.

01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:54.342
[SPEAKER_05]: I would take one hundred the packs over this.

01:16:54.742 --> 01:16:55.863
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just awful.

01:16:56.183 --> 01:16:58.165
[SPEAKER_05]: Joy, you're delu-lu.

01:16:58.365 --> 01:17:00.147
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel so bad for Joy that she didn't enjoy this.

01:17:01.247 --> 01:17:03.809
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, now that that's out of the way.

01:17:03.829 --> 01:17:06.331
[SPEAKER_05]: It's time for part one of Gordon's corner.

01:17:06.611 --> 01:17:09.013
[SPEAKER_05]: Five, five, five has been taking on the city of Angels.

01:17:09.173 --> 01:17:13.196
[SPEAKER_05]: She beats the crap out of some creep takes as money in his coat and his keys and we're off.

01:17:13.657 --> 01:17:22.584
[SPEAKER_05]: Cordelia is being a bit judgy about the guy they saved who Angel is trying to convince to testify in some case, but I'll let it slide because I love her and she looks stunning in that scene.

01:17:23.484 --> 01:17:31.808
[SPEAKER_05]: Back to faith, just living up her life and dancing at the club, the song playing, living dead girl by Rob Zombie, had me in a chokehold when I was in high school.

01:17:32.128 --> 01:17:38.131
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's saying a lot, considering at that age, I was mostly listening to country, show tunes, or religious music.

01:17:40.732 --> 01:17:44.854
[SPEAKER_05]: I like that the dancing evolves into fighting, but faith is still just dancing, reveling in the chaos.

01:17:46.395 --> 01:17:49.818
[SPEAKER_05]: a bit more with wool from in heart and lila is such a bad bitch.

01:17:49.898 --> 01:17:50.658
[SPEAKER_05]: I kind of love her.

01:17:50.838 --> 01:18:00.386
[SPEAKER_05]: Even if she's evil, I appreciate all the flashbacks to show why Angel understands faith, but that hair is so bad.

01:18:00.426 --> 01:18:02.848
[SPEAKER_05]: The lawyers hire faith to kill Angel and she immediately agrees.

01:18:02.928 --> 01:18:08.392
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like she didn't know that Angel lived there and that moment is when she made her plan because it wasn't to kill Angel.

01:18:08.712 --> 01:18:10.494
[SPEAKER_05]: It was for Angel to kill her.

01:18:10.874 --> 01:18:19.041
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a similar moment to that college bulletin board reveal, but this time it's faith alerting Angel to her presence with a crossbow being shot at him.

01:18:19.461 --> 01:18:26.648
[SPEAKER_05]: I actually love the conversation they had when Angel had to remind Wesley what happened when he tried to help faith and was thwarted by him in the Watchers Council.

01:18:27.228 --> 01:18:29.609
[SPEAKER_05]: Cordelia was there for some levity, but the point was made.

01:18:30.070 --> 01:18:34.252
[SPEAKER_05]: I also love that it starts with angel thinking faith is your deemable and Wesley wants to help her.

01:18:34.553 --> 01:18:36.814
[SPEAKER_05]: But by the end of the episode, that has changed.

01:18:37.174 --> 01:18:39.696
[SPEAKER_05]: Faith toys the angel, taunting him to kill her.

01:18:40.096 --> 01:18:45.219
[SPEAKER_05]: Dennis is in this episode for a bit, and I love that he was trying to keep Cordelia safe by not letting her in at first.

01:18:45.799 --> 01:18:48.381
[SPEAKER_05]: Faith decides to use Wesley to get angel to hate her so much.

01:18:48.441 --> 01:18:49.041
[SPEAKER_05]: He kills her.

01:18:49.522 --> 01:18:54.865
[SPEAKER_05]: She George Simfer a long time and I don't know about y'all, but I had no idea there were five basic methods of torture.

01:18:54.885 --> 01:18:56.066
[SPEAKER_05]: I did not either.

01:18:56.926 --> 01:19:01.009
[SPEAKER_05]: I like that we get to see in a resilience and Wesley, he didn't break, which is very impressive.

01:19:01.650 --> 01:19:07.794
[SPEAKER_05]: We get some kicky punchy, and then we get one of the best, most heartbreaking scenes, just like with Buffie, Faith isn't fighting Angel.

01:19:07.834 --> 01:19:08.635
[SPEAKER_05]: She's fighting herself.

01:19:08.815 --> 01:19:10.736
[SPEAKER_05]: She wants it to end, but Angel sees right through it.

01:19:10.997 --> 01:19:11.837
[SPEAKER_05]: He's not going to kill her.

01:19:12.197 --> 01:19:17.741
[SPEAKER_05]: That breakdown, that embrace in the rain, Wesley going to kill Faith, and then seeing her like that, Angel comforting her.

01:19:17.862 --> 01:19:18.982
[SPEAKER_05]: I got tears in my eyes again.

01:19:19.022 --> 01:19:23.766
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so good, it's so powerful, and it's why I love the show, Angel so much.

01:19:28.199 --> 01:19:29.260
[SPEAKER_04]: I love that you love it.

01:19:29.280 --> 01:19:33.525
[SPEAKER_04]: I just, I just don't, yeah.

01:19:33.766 --> 01:19:47.382
[SPEAKER_04]: I do like the, I wonder if faith was able to get there without the push from angel if I would like it more.

01:19:48.723 --> 01:19:52.427
[SPEAKER_04]: without angel being her savior in a way.

01:19:52.447 --> 01:19:54.509
[SPEAKER_05]: I think so, I think so.

01:19:54.690 --> 01:20:00.155
[SPEAKER_05]: I think my biggest problem is I find angel to be pretty self-righteous and so like I find a hall.

01:20:00.195 --> 01:20:02.218
[SPEAKER_05]: I have a hard time connecting with him as character.

01:20:02.618 --> 01:20:08.424
[SPEAKER_05]: And so because of that, it's hard when he's the one who gets the win, if you will, of helping faith.

01:20:11.369 --> 01:20:13.790
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, joy is comments on sanctuary.

01:20:13.810 --> 01:20:19.332
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I understand why both Cordelia and Wesley don't support what Angel's doing, but he understands the mission.

01:20:19.392 --> 01:20:23.714
[SPEAKER_05]: This whole episode, everyone is against him trying to help faith, but Angel knows she's not beyond redemption.

01:20:24.314 --> 01:20:26.215
[SPEAKER_05]: Every scene with Angel in faith is ten at a ten.

01:20:26.235 --> 01:20:35.238
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, Angel tells her it won't be easy to think she done will probably haunt her forever, which is true, just because you feel remorse and try to change doesn't mean you're absolved.

01:20:36.478 --> 01:20:38.999
[SPEAKER_05]: which what matters is you don't stop trying.

01:20:39.339 --> 01:20:41.219
[SPEAKER_05]: Faith spells the beans to Angel that Riley.

01:20:41.419 --> 01:20:49.040
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't care about the elite watchers team, but I do like that Wesley wants to protect Angel from them, even if it's not clear at first that he isn't on their side.

01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:54.361
[SPEAKER_05]: The demon that Wolfram and Hart send is killed, and again, such a superb scene.

01:20:54.701 --> 01:20:58.362
[SPEAKER_05]: Faith quite literally has blood on her hands again, and she can't handle it.

01:20:58.742 --> 01:21:04.883
[SPEAKER_05]: An Angel comforts her before having a chance to butt in his shirt, if that is when Buffy walks in, because Buffy is back in LA.

01:21:06.404 --> 01:21:13.169
[SPEAKER_05]: Angel clearly remembers the eye will remember you episode, which in case anyone forgot that's the one where she like this is the memories at the end of the episode.

01:21:13.189 --> 01:21:13.930
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I liked that.

01:21:13.990 --> 01:21:15.411
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought about that episode earlier.

01:21:15.431 --> 01:21:15.831
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:21:16.352 --> 01:21:17.252
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:21:17.312 --> 01:21:21.976
[SPEAKER_05]: Buffy is all about her feelings being hurt for what Faith did to her, but it's blinding her to the heart of the matter.

01:21:22.036 --> 01:21:25.038
[SPEAKER_05]: The redemption of Faith's soul is more important than her personal grievance.

01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:26.740
[SPEAKER_05]: So she is valid in feeling them.

01:21:27.120 --> 01:21:33.065
[SPEAKER_05]: It causes her to lash out like a child and hit Angel who hits her back, which also I meant to say, I felt it hated that.

01:21:33.485 --> 01:21:37.807
[SPEAKER_05]: I fucking hated that because he said her twice now twice now he said her.

01:21:37.827 --> 01:21:40.368
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't like it.

01:21:40.428 --> 01:21:45.210
[SPEAKER_05]: She looks so upset because how dare angel hurt her in support of faith, but she's a slayer and has already stronger than angel.

01:21:45.351 --> 01:21:47.071
[SPEAKER_05]: So this exchange never really bothered me.

01:21:47.492 --> 01:21:51.273
[SPEAKER_05]: I get my kids in the episode to bring the police up a element in, but I don't really care.

01:21:51.293 --> 01:21:54.555
[SPEAKER_05]: I wish Buffy and Faith having it out on the roof could have been longer.

01:21:54.575 --> 01:21:57.216
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that it was faith decision to turn herself in.

01:21:57.536 --> 01:22:01.018
[SPEAKER_05]: She could escape those cups at any minute because she's in to a tone for her crimes.

01:22:01.998 --> 01:22:08.659
[SPEAKER_05]: The thing with Buffy this episode is she keeps trying to focus on faith in relation to the men in her life, Riley and Angel, when it's not about her.

01:22:08.979 --> 01:22:10.920
[SPEAKER_05]: It's about something bigger than that, which Angel gets.

01:22:11.480 --> 01:22:15.581
[SPEAKER_05]: I like that he pulls Ryan with her coming into his city, expecting vengeance and what does Buffy do?

01:22:16.001 --> 01:22:20.622
[SPEAKER_05]: Try to hurt him by telling him about Riley and saying that she trusts him and knows him.

01:22:21.162 --> 01:22:24.383
[SPEAKER_05]: I love Angel's reply because he can't move on and he can't be happy.

01:22:24.703 --> 01:22:31.244
[SPEAKER_05]: He's a process not being with Buffy, but he's still as the knowledge of that one perfect day and seeing her tears him up inside.

01:22:31.704 --> 01:22:38.993
[SPEAKER_05]: But she gets one more dig in saying faith wins again and it must be might be her most immature and juvenile moment because again, it's not about that.

01:22:39.253 --> 01:22:41.095
[SPEAKER_05]: Faith is in jail now choosing to be there.

01:22:41.315 --> 01:22:44.519
[SPEAKER_05]: She has one of the best parks on the show and I love the direction the character took.

01:22:46.192 --> 01:22:47.253
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think, Sarah?

01:22:47.273 --> 01:22:51.755
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, maybe I need to re-watch the episodes with fresh eyes.

01:22:51.775 --> 01:23:06.063
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like, I, I, I love Bobby and I, I don't, I didn't really read it as as such, but I, you know, I don't have any problem saying that I could be wrong.

01:23:07.364 --> 01:23:07.944
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I,

01:23:09.469 --> 01:23:19.133
[SPEAKER_05]: I, okay, to be honest, I totally forgot that the last interaction Angel and Buffy had was like that perfect day that now she doesn't remember and he does.

01:23:19.673 --> 01:23:27.416
[SPEAKER_05]: So like obviously that changes things a little bit in terms of like understanding why Angel is still kind of hung up on her.

01:23:27.776 --> 01:23:31.857
[SPEAKER_04]: But even still the point remains time you said it was the last time that they saw each other.

01:23:31.877 --> 01:23:35.499
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was the last time they saw each other and that wasn't super long about that.

01:23:36.843 --> 01:23:38.024
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, okay, you're right.

01:23:38.044 --> 01:23:38.704
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

01:23:38.724 --> 01:23:43.727
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because it was, it was, it was, it was, oh yeah, it was definitely the season.

01:23:44.387 --> 01:23:51.552
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so yeah, that like that sucks for him, but also like seriously get over it, like move on with your life, like please my God.

01:23:52.212 --> 01:23:53.053
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I don't know.

01:23:53.233 --> 01:23:53.513
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

01:23:53.613 --> 01:23:55.494
[SPEAKER_05]: I just, I don't like the character of angel that much.

01:23:55.514 --> 01:23:57.115
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's my biggest problem, I think.

01:23:58.236 --> 01:24:00.017
[SPEAKER_05]: But this was a super sized episode.

01:24:00.297 --> 01:24:01.558
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so next week,

01:24:02.418 --> 01:24:05.779
[SPEAKER_05]: We're not going to have to talk about any angel unless our guests wants to.

01:24:06.719 --> 01:24:08.499
[SPEAKER_05]: Because we've watched two episodes of Angel this week.

01:24:08.519 --> 01:24:10.120
[SPEAKER_05]: So we kind of, we kind of jumped it on a little bit.

01:24:10.140 --> 01:24:11.620
[SPEAKER_05]: But like we had to finish the faith arc.

01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:12.580
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, we can't just stop.

01:24:14.141 --> 01:24:22.183
[SPEAKER_05]: So next week, we're going to be covering season four episode, nineteen new moon rising with our very special guests returning to the podcast, Hannah.

01:24:24.498 --> 01:24:26.799
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, Seth either works in my back.

01:24:27.519 --> 01:24:28.119
[SPEAKER_05]: That's my guess.

01:24:28.340 --> 01:24:32.461
[SPEAKER_05]: Either we're getting a new wearable or Oz is going to make an appearance.

01:24:32.841 --> 01:24:38.264
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm guessing Oz is making an appearance mostly because Hannah has come on for like every Oz episode.

01:24:38.324 --> 01:24:42.265
[SPEAKER_05]: So like I just assume I'm at a little meta, but get off my screen.

01:24:42.325 --> 01:24:43.166
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like you.

01:24:43.306 --> 01:24:44.646
[SPEAKER_04]: Oz and I don't like your face.

01:24:44.706 --> 01:24:47.948
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't like your skin as wearable costume.

01:24:47.968 --> 01:24:48.288
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

01:24:49.908 --> 01:24:50.808
[SPEAKER_05]: Here's the thing, Noseira.

01:24:51.168 --> 01:24:51.328
[SPEAKER_05]: What?

01:24:51.789 --> 01:25:04.373
[SPEAKER_05]: I think the appearance of Oz, while it could slightly derail the terror of it all, I do think it is what is going to also progress them forward.

01:25:04.473 --> 01:25:07.274
[SPEAKER_05]: I do think that it will inevitably result in them.

01:25:07.574 --> 01:25:09.555
[SPEAKER_04]: I sure hope so, because guess what?

01:25:09.775 --> 01:25:15.256
[SPEAKER_04]: Terran Willow is ten times more entertaining and endearing than stupid Oz fuckface.

01:25:15.877 --> 01:25:16.537
[SPEAKER_04]: Hate that guy.

01:25:16.557 --> 01:25:18.077
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why.

01:25:18.358 --> 01:25:19.678
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember why I didn't like him?

01:25:20.908 --> 01:25:21.468
[SPEAKER_04]: So he was boring.

01:25:22.129 --> 01:25:24.009
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that was a little harsh.

01:25:24.130 --> 01:25:25.070
[SPEAKER_05]: He's not a fast face.

01:25:25.110 --> 01:25:26.070
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm pretty harsh.

01:25:26.391 --> 01:25:26.551
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry.

01:25:27.091 --> 01:25:32.654
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, anyway, so that is next week.

01:25:33.274 --> 01:25:37.556
[SPEAKER_05]: No angel next week season for episode nineteen, uh, we're getting real close to the end of.

01:25:37.576 --> 01:25:39.757
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not I'm I'm probably spun.

01:25:39.837 --> 01:25:41.818
[SPEAKER_03]: It's I think this is going to be our favorite season.

01:25:42.177 --> 01:25:46.361
[SPEAKER_04]: our favorite season ever of by the entire season.

01:25:46.842 --> 01:25:49.305
[SPEAKER_05]: So the best season of all time.

01:25:49.705 --> 01:25:50.466
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, not sorry.

01:25:51.747 --> 01:25:53.169
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, that'll be next week.

01:25:53.209 --> 01:25:55.091
[SPEAKER_05]: Anything else there that you want to tell the people?

01:25:55.902 --> 01:25:57.283
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I have nothing to share.

01:25:57.303 --> 01:25:58.164
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

01:25:58.484 --> 01:26:01.145
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we're going to let you all get out of here.

01:26:01.406 --> 01:26:05.668
[SPEAKER_05]: We hope you enjoyed our standing of where the wild things are because we really actually liked it.

01:26:06.169 --> 01:26:07.269
[SPEAKER_05]: I had a great time talking about it.

01:26:07.289 --> 01:26:11.292
[SPEAKER_05]: I knew this was going to be a fun podcast the minute I watched the episode because I was like, this is fucking unhinged.

01:26:11.772 --> 01:26:14.454
[SPEAKER_05]: And unhinged episodes lead to unhinged podcasting.

01:26:14.494 --> 01:26:15.455
[SPEAKER_05]: So what's not to love?

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[SPEAKER_05]: But we will be back next week with season four episode, nineteen new moon rising and until then everyone here and death the list.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shit, I need you, start me